PennFan10
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03-05-18 06:40 PM - Post#250983
In response to tkapiko
Oni is one of the best 2 way players in the league, there really are only 1-2 other guys in his category in my opinion.
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bradley
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03-05-18 09:16 PM - Post#251006
In response to mrjames
I would be very surprised if Morgan is not 1st team. Thought that he might be in the top three for POY - possibly #2.
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PennFan10
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03-05-18 09:24 PM - Post#251008
In response to bradley
I like Towns, Brodeur and Lewis, maybe Oni as POY candidates. There isn't another player who impacts their team on both ends like those guys do.
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SomeGuy
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03-06-18 09:14 AM - Post#251032
In response to PennFan10
A couple of issues with Oni. One is the sub 100 ORAT. The other is the scoring inconsistency (they may relate). There are just too many games where he doesn’t score, and the team tends to lose those games.
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JadwinGeorge
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03-06-18 10:05 AM - Post#251037
In response to SomeGuy
First Team: Lewis, Brodeur, Towns, Morgan, Stephens.
Tigers' collapse not his fault.
POY: Brodeur
DPOY: Lewis
ROY: Cambridge (easiest choice of all)
COY: Donohue (pretty easy as well)
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Columbia Alum
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All-Ivy Picks 03-06-18 10:27 AM - Post#251041
In response to SomeGuy
Matt Morgan should be player of the year, no question he was the best player in the league, regardless of how badly his team performed, this is not a team award, and how a team does as a whole influences the award too much. Lewis or AJ should be DPOY.
First team: Lewis, Towns, AJ, Morgan, Oni, Betley
Second Team: Smith, Anderson, Stephens, Gettings, Copeland
HM: Cambridge, Cannady, Wright, Meisner, Foreman
ROY: Anderson
COY: Donahue or Jones
Edited by Columbia Alum on 03-06-18 10:27 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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mrjames
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03-06-18 10:36 AM - Post#251042
In response to JadwinGeorge
My final guesses (think the official awards will be out today):
POY - Towns
DPOY - Bell
ROY - Cambridge
COY - Donahue
1st Team
*Towns
*Brodeur
*Lewis
*Morgan
Oni
2nd Team/HM
Betley
Gettings
Cambridge
Cannady
Stephens
Smith
Phills
Foreman
Bassey
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Go Green
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03-06-18 11:18 AM - Post#251045
In response to rbg
Women's
COY: Kocalanes (Dartmouth)
While the Dartmouth women showed great improvement this season, and also had arguably the best OOC results of any Dartmouth basketball team in recent memory, I'm still not convinced that Koclanes will be able to return us to the glory days when Dartmouth routinely competed for the championship.
Its really hard to shake the interview she gave last year to the Valley News when she (in essence) said that winning a championship is extremely difficult. While she's not necessarily wrong, coaches like Teevens routinely say that winning a championship is the goal and I know that he feels bad when we come up short--even if we took second.
I don't get that same vibe from Koclanes...
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Old Bear
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Re: All-Ivy Picks 03-06-18 11:27 AM - Post#251048
In response to Columbia Alum
I trust you meant Cambridge for ROY, Anderson is a Soph.
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PennFan10
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03-06-18 11:58 AM - Post#251055
In response to Old Bear
Morgan is not a great defender, though he is the best scorer and a great distributor. Towns has more of an impact on both ends than Morgan. So does AJ and Lewis for that matter. Defense matters for POY
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Go Green
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03-06-18 12:02 PM - Post#251056
In response to Go Green
Women's
COY: Kocalanes (Dartmouth)
While the Dartmouth women showed great improvement this season, and also had arguably the best OOC results of any Dartmouth basketball team in recent memory, I'm still not convinced that Koclanes will be able to return us to the glory days when Dartmouth routinely competed for the championship.
Its really hard to shake the interview she gave last year to the Valley News when she (in essence) said that winning a championship is extremely difficult. While she's not necessarily wrong, coaches like Teevens routinely say that winning a championship is the goal and I know that he feels bad when we come up short--even if we took second.
I don't get that same vibe from Koclanes...
I also should have mentioned that the optics would look bad if Koclanes gets COY.
Is taking Dartmouth to a whooping fifth place finish such a Herculean accomplishment warranting an award?
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SomeGuy
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Re: All-Ivy Picks 03-06-18 01:06 PM - Post#251066
In response to Columbia Alum
Last year, I seemed to make some enemies arguing that Evan Boudreaux shouldn’t be in the POY conversation, and was far from a lock for first team. However, there were individual statistical arguments against him — low ORAT, box score +/- said team played better with him off the floor, etc. For Morgan, none of that is true. High counting stats, high ORAT, box score +/- shows team is much better when he is on the floor, etc. He’s just a beast on offense. And no turnovers despite the high usage rate and having to carry the team. Amazing.
So for Morgan, i’m really reduced to the simple argument that the team went 6-8. I think that is a non-starter for POY (hasn’t happened since early 80s that a sub .500 team in conference produced the POY. So I don’t think it will happen now, and I don’t think it should. But if ever there was a time for it, Morgan would be the guy.
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Columbia Alum
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Re: All-Ivy Picks 03-06-18 01:34 PM - Post#251078
In response to Old Bear
meant Cambridge ROY, hands down
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Columbia Alum
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Re: All-Ivy Picks 03-06-18 01:42 PM - Post#251082
In response to SomeGuy
Yes Morgan's is not a top class defender, but not a terrible defender either. Frankly his offensive game, considering usage, efficiency and impact is head, shoulders and feet above anyone else in the league. This makes his overall impact and contribution bigger than towns, lewis, brodeur or anyone else with a much better supporting cast. You can argue the others are more balanced on both ends of the court, but that is because morgan is so damn good on offense.
Cornell is 6-8, but I have no doubt they would be 0-14 or at best 1-13 without him.
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palestra38
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Re: All-Ivy Picks 03-06-18 01:47 PM - Post#251084
In response to Columbia Alum
Towns is, without question, the best player in the league. Morgan is talented, but not in the same stratosphere. I would say Stephens is second best.
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mrjames
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Re: All-Ivy Picks 03-06-18 04:01 PM - Post#251101
In response to palestra38
Just released:
PLAYER OF THE YEAR
Seth Towns, Harvard (So., F – Columbus, Ohio)
ROOKIE OF THE YEAR
*Desmond Cambridge, Brown (Fr., G – Nashville, Tenn.)
DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE YEAR
Amir Bell, Princeton (Sr., G – East Brunswick, N.J.)
COACH OF THE YEAR
Steve Donahue, Penn
FIRST TEAM ALL-IVY
*AJ Brodeur, Penn (So., F – Northborough, Mass.)
*Matt Morgan, Cornell (Jr., G – Concord, N.C.)
*Miye Oni, Yale (So., G – Porter Ranch, Calif.)
*Seth Towns, Harvard (So., F – Columbus, Ohio)
Chris Lewis, Harvard (So,. F/C – Alpharetta, Ga.)
SECOND TEAM ALL-IVY^
Stone Gettings, Cornell (Jr., F – Malibu, Calif.)
Myles Stephens, Princeton (Jr., F – Lawrenceville, N.J.)
Ryan Betley, Penn (So., G – Downingtown, Pa.)
Mike Smith, Columbia (So., G – Burr Ridge, Ill.)
Desmond Cambridge, Brown (Fr., G – Nashville, Tenn.)
Devin Cannady, Princeton (Jr., G – Mishawaka, Ind.)
Trey Phills, Yale (Jr., G – Charlotte, N.C.)
HONORABLE MENTION
Darnell Foreman, Penn (Sr., G – Camden, N.J.)
Justin Bassey, Harvard (So., G – Denver, Colo.)
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palestra38
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Re: All-Ivy Picks 03-06-18 04:08 PM - Post#251102
In response to mrjames
Hard to argue with....they should have a 6th man award, though.
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SomeGuy
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Re: All-Ivy Picks 03-06-18 04:21 PM - Post#251103
In response to mrjames
Looks to me like somebody cheated on their picks.
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mrjames
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Re: All-Ivy Picks 03-06-18 04:36 PM - Post#251104
In response to SomeGuy
What you just heard from my opponent is an attack on my integrity and my character. And I will not reply in kind. Instead, I will take those remarks and tuck them away, away in a tiny "lock-box," where all bad thoughts go.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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03-06-18 04:47 PM - Post#251105
In response to mrjames
Good selections, although I think Lewis is a game crayon defense, more so than any other player in the league. He’ll get it next year.
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