palestra38
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03-04-18 09:17 AM - Post#250704
This is unbelievable
https://www.si.com/more-sports/2018/03/0 3/ardsley-...
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PennFan10
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Re: For Those Who Said a Heave Downcourt Against Yale Was the Right Play
03-04-18 09:28 AM - Post#250705
In response to palestra38
Crazy! And it looks like our Yale refs were doing this game too. The guy took between 4-6 steps before launching it back for the winner.
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mrjames
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Re: For Those Who Said a Heave Downcourt Against Yale Was the Right Play
03-04-18 09:39 AM - Post#250708
In response to PennFan10
You guys kid, but Janosik and Vaulk were back at it for Harvard-Columbia last night...
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PennFan10
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03-04-18 10:00 AM - Post#250710
In response to mrjames
I’m sorry!
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Quakers03
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03-04-18 11:05 AM - Post#250724
In response to PennFan10
Doesn't anyone have any sway or ability to do something about this in the future? It's a complete disgrace.
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penn nation
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Re: For Those Who Said a Heave Downcourt Against Yale Was the Right Play
03-04-18 01:07 PM - Post#250740
In response to palestra38
It's Westchester championship basketball 2.0.
This one was 5 years ago and led off SportsCenter:
New Rochelle-Mt Vernon championship finish
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PennFan10
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03-04-18 02:50 PM - Post#250762
In response to penn nation
Another thing that can happen in a long court pass situation is throwing it too long out of bounds, which results in the other team getting the ball where it was inbounded. I have seen that a number of times.
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LyleGold
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Re: For Those Who Said a Heave Downcourt Against Yale Was the Right Play
03-04-18 03:48 PM - Post#250786
In response to PennFan10
Even MJ couldn't have gotten away with that.
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PennFan10
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03-04-18 04:06 PM - Post#250796
In response to LyleGold
Obviously KP has written about fouling vs defending in an end game 3 pt shot situation
https://kenpom.com/blog/yet-another-stud y-about-fo...
For the ADD people I will offer the punch line:
the only conclusion one can make is that the criticism of coaches that choose to defend appears to be misplaced. A small percentage of the time you’ll get burned no matter what you choose to do. We will continue to see teams make game-tying threes near the end of games more often than they get fouled simply because more coaches choose this strategy. In the long run, it’s difficult to prove it’s a bad idea.
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Stuart Suss
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03-04-18 05:26 PM - Post#250819
In response to PennFan10
We have experienced the results of both strategies this season.
In overtime, at the Palestra, against Brown, we did not foul when up 3 points with less than 8 seconds to go. I do not know if that was the intended strategy. Zach Hunsaker shot and missed a three pointer before any Penn defender came near him.
At Dartmouth, Ryan Betley missed the second of two free throws with 7.9 seconds remaining. With Penn up 3 points, Antonio Woods intentionally fouled Taylor Johnson as soon as he crossed midcourt. There were 5.2 seconds remaining.
Taylor Johnson made both foul shots. Dartmouth did not challenge Penn to make a successful inbounds pass. Without letting any time come off the clock, they intentionally fouled Darnell Foreman. Darnell made both foul shots to put Penn back up by 3 points. There were still 5.2 seconds remaining.
We will never know whether Penn would have intentionally fouled again since Max Rothschild intercepted the pass before Dartmouth made it across midcourt.
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palestra38
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03-04-18 05:53 PM - Post#250822
In response to PennFan10
Let's have the numbers on LOSING in regulation when you use the foul strategy. If it is less than playing it out, then I withdraw my objection. But I doubt that is the case.
To me, when the worst that happens is that you give up a potential tying 3 (and have the last shot in regulation), I go with that rather than risk extra possessions and the chance to lose. Remember, you can win in overtime.
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Charlie Fog
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03-04-18 06:09 PM - Post#250826
In response to palestra38
Let it go
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palestra38
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03-04-18 09:41 PM - Post#250840
In response to Charlie Fog
I have no choice.
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PennFan10
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03-04-18 11:37 PM - Post#250856
In response to palestra38
Let's have the numbers on LOSING in regulation when you use the foul strategy. If it is less than playing it out, then I withdraw my objection. But I doubt that is the case.
To me, when the worst that happens is that you give up a potential tying 3 (and have the last shot in regulation), I go with that rather than risk extra possessions and the chance to lose. Remember, you can win in overtime.
That's a fair perspective, advocated by many coaches. And the fouling strategy is also fairly widely accepted. At best it's a 60-40 proposition one way or another so clearly not "insane" or any of the other extreme adjectives you choose to use.
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