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Username Post: Bracketology watch        (Topic#21291)
SRP 
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03-11-18 12:54 AM - Post#251818    
    In response to Big R&B Truth

That's not much of an argument. You have to account for the reduced excitement of the players on the top teams.


 
Big R&B Truth 
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Bracketology watch
03-11-18 06:46 AM - Post#251823    
    In response to SRP

  • SRP Said:
That's not much of an argument. You have to account for the reduced excitement of the players on the top teams.




Do these look like teams that have reduced excitement for winning the regular season? I don't think the facts back up this statement.

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/9701 284371292...

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/9701 145049346...


 
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Re: Bracketology watch
03-11-18 07:05 AM - Post#251824    
    In response to Big R&B Truth

If you haven't seen it, here is the video of Cornell making the tournament.

https://twitter.com/twitter/statuses/9720 928292154...

Those of you who argue against the tournament seem like a bunch of grumpy old men who get upset because the culture is changing. I know this because I am a grumpy old man myself. It doesn't mean I can't recognize that sometimes change is for the better.

 
bradley 
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Re: Bracketology watch
03-11-18 08:41 AM - Post#251833    
    In response to Big R&B Truth

Of course, Cornell was understandably joyous to be the 4th seed and participate in IvyMadness and good for them and Coach Earl. They finished the season at 12-16 with a #267 KenPom rating. They would have been a play in team at the Big Dance and make a very quick and hard exit from the tournament.

Another example would be to watch the faces of the 2015-16 Valpariso team that finished their conference 16-2 and 26-6 overall after not getting an invitation to play in the NCAA tournament. They lost to Green Bay in their conference tournament and were a NCAA bubble team but did not get in, probably because they were a mid-major team. They beat Florida State, St. Mary, BYU etc and lost in the NIT final.

Many conferences are now looking as to how to assist the #1 seed in the regular season. Sounds like Robin Harris and crew will consider it when they meet with the ADs. They should as IvyMadness continues on.

When the IL men truly become a two bid league like the IL women are becoming, there will be much less to no opposition to IvyMadness.

All of the discussion becomes somewhat moot for this year if the top regular season teams also win IvyMadness.

 
palestra38 
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Re: Bracketology watch
03-11-18 08:50 AM - Post#251834    
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It's already moot as there would have been a playoff between Penn and Harvard had there been no IvyMadness. Sure, it's at the Palestra, but Amaker is fine with that, and frankly, I don't think that this game will be decided on the basis of home court advantage.

In fact, the entire discussion (and you know I agreed with you that there should be no tournament unless the regular season winner would get an at large bid) is moot since the decision has been made and it is not going to change.

 
bradley 
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Re: Bracketology watch
03-11-18 09:45 AM - Post#251842    
    In response to mrjames

Somewhat amazingly, Lunardi still has Harvard a #16 seed. Let's hope that he is dead wrong if Crimson win today.

Looking at KenPom, teams 1-10 are very strong. After 10th team, Michigan, there appears to be a drop off.

 
mrjames 
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03-11-18 10:09 AM - Post#251852    
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Hopefully seeds would be scrubbed after the game, but Harvard would add a Quad2 win with a victory today, which should change the picture dramatically. The winner today should end up with an RPI rank that is in the 100-110 range, which would be crazy for a 16-seed in a year when there have been so many upsets. Smells like a solid 15 either way.

 
bradley 
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Re: Bracketology watch
03-11-18 10:51 AM - Post#251858    
    In response to palestra38

In fairness, Amaker is of course going to say what he says regarding playing at the Palestra. If Penn wins by greater than 3 points, there will be little to no discussion regarding have home court. If it turns out to be 1-2 pt game, there will be conversation and it will put additional pressure on Robin and ADs' when they meet as to future location of IvyMadness.

 
mrjames 
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03-11-18 10:56 AM - Post#251861    
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There have been a lot of stories on this now, so I guess it’s okay to talk about, but my contention that the Ivy Tourney would be moved isn’t necessarily a men’s focused belief. I believe you’re much more likely to see a move based on the outcome of the women’s game, not the men’s.

 
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03-11-18 10:59 AM - Post#251864    
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That makes sense in that attendance would be lower so venues too small for a Men’s tourney could work for the women

 
bradley 
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03-11-18 11:06 AM - Post#251866    
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For this year, it would have been ideal for Harvard and Penn men's teams to simple square off at a neutral site based on their regular season records and let the chips fall. It is particularly unfortunate that the Tiger's womens' team is playing a road game but Banghart's team should get an invitation to the NCAA Tournament which minimizes the location of this year's tournament.

 
penn nation 
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Re: Bracketology watch
03-11-18 02:02 PM - Post#251938    
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Lunardi has them moved up to 15.

Of course, he'll now have to change the name from Harvard to Penn.

 
bradley 
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Re: Bracketology watch
03-11-18 02:23 PM - Post#251950    
    In response to penn nation

Coach Donahue and crew deserve so much credit for the turnaround. Love Foreman and glad that he goes to Big Dance. Obvious advantage that they had home court today but it is what it is. Highly unlikely that it will or should be at the Palestra next year. Good news is that Penn plays good D which will certainly help playing a 2 seed - let’s hope.

 
Jeff2sf 
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Re: Bracketology watch
03-11-18 02:40 PM - Post#251959    
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  • bradley Said:
In fairness, Amaker is of course going to say what he says regarding playing at the Palestra.



I've thought about this and I've concluded it's wrong. Coaches don't bite their tongues about league decisions. They just don't. That's why coaches get fined for referee discussions. That's why some coaches went on record saying they wanted a tournament when there was none.

I don't know why Tommy supports it at the Palestra. Maybe it's a compromise he made (give me a tournament and I'll support where you put it), maybe he's a romantic, maybe he doesn't feel that way today/now. But there's no way he "has" to feel that way. He could absolutely, respectfully, push back against the idea of a tournament held at a lower seed. I'd dare them to fire him.

Edited by Jeff2sf on 03-11-18 02:40 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Jeff2sf 
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03-11-18 02:41 PM - Post#251960    
    In response to mrjames

  • mrjames Said:
There have been a lot of stories on this now, so I guess it’s okay to talk about, but my contention that the Ivy Tourney would be moved isn’t necessarily a men’s focused belief. I believe you’re much more likely to see a move based on the outcome of the women’s game, not the men’s.



can you point us to one of these stories?


 
Mike Porter 
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03-11-18 02:51 PM - Post#251966    
    In response to Jeff2sf

Princeton women’s coach has been repeatedly saying it shouldn’t be at the Palestra. Was in article from Harvard writer Tannenwald the other day so can check Twitter.

 
Mike Porter 
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03-11-18 02:52 PM - Post#251967    
    In response to Mike Porter

Haha, dad brain here. Don’t bother with Twitter - look a few posts down for link to the article on Women’s Tournament.

 
JadwinGeorge 
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03-11-18 03:01 PM - Post#251971    
    In response to Mike Porter

If you get the home court you might as well use it to your advantage. Nice job by the Quakers!

 
penn nation 
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03-11-18 03:42 PM - Post#251993    
    In response to JadwinGeorge

So Penn's KenPom ranking actually went DOWN (by 1) and Harvard's UP (by 3) as a result of the close score and Penn's "home" game.

 
penn nation 
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Re: Bracketology watch
03-11-18 04:20 PM - Post#252006    
    In response to penn nation

Done. Better yet, they are listed as Pennsylvania.

  • penn nation Said:
Lunardi has them moved up to 15.

Of course, he'll now have to change the name from Harvard to Penn.




Edited by penn nation on 03-11-18 04:21 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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