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Username Post: Bracketology watch        (Topic#21291)
SRP 
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03-11-18 08:47 PM - Post#252151    
    In response to penn nation

16th seed, baby.

 
palestra38 
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03-11-18 08:50 PM - Post#252154    
    In response to SRP

It's Princeton's fault---if our tournament were a week earlier, no way Penn is a 16 seed. But they're not going to re-seed everyone else last minute because of the Ivies. We need to move our season up---and your policy of exams in January is RIDICULOUS! Everyone hates it but it's a stupid "tradition." Change it already.

 
SRP 
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03-11-18 08:58 PM - Post#252160    
    In response to palestra38

What are you smoking? The schedule has nothing to do with it. Penn winning on its home floor and having weak non-conference schedule are the issue.

 
palestra38 
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Bracketology watch
03-11-18 09:17 PM - Post#252172    
    In response to SRP

Penn should have been a high 15, with a possible low 14. This is because Harvard had been seeded in. But I'm mad not about the matchup, but the site. Getting sent to Wichita is the fate of a 16.

And Princeton's schedule screws the league in all sorts of ways, and it makes no sense, other than "That's the Way We Do It."

 
penn nation 
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Re: Bracketology watch
03-11-18 09:54 PM - Post#252181    
    In response to palestra38

There are 9 teams which made the field that are worse than Penn in the final KenPom rankings.

 
palestra38 
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Re: Bracketology watch
03-11-18 09:58 PM - Post#252182    
    In response to penn nation

I don't think there is any serious question that our seed is a result of earning the bid on Sunday, after they had slotted the Ivy winner.

 
penn nation 
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Re: Bracketology watch
03-11-18 10:01 PM - Post#252186    
    In response to palestra38

  • palestra38 Said:
I don't think there is any serious question that our seed is a result of earning the bid on Sunday, after they had slotted the Ivy winner.



But explain the logic of how that would matter. After all, the lousy OOC SOS would still have been the same.


 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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03-11-18 10:09 PM - Post#252188    
    In response to penn nation

So, win the regular season then. Penn has only itself (or Yale, or the refs) to blame for that. They're not going to hold things up for this league. We're an afterthought, especially this year.

 
palestra38 
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Re: Bracketology watch
03-11-18 10:10 PM - Post#252189    
    In response to penn nation

No reason why that alone should trump KenPom, RPI or record

 
penn nation 
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03-11-18 10:15 PM - Post#252194    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

  • HARVARDDADGRAD Said:
So, win the regular season then.



Then don't have the tourney.

 
SomeGuy 
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Re: Bracketology watch
03-11-18 10:18 PM - Post#252196    
    In response to palestra38

I think you are right about how it should be. However, the OOC explanation looks to support the seeding almost exactly. So I suspect that is what happened (which means Harvard would have likely been a 15 if they had won). It makes more sense than the “slotting” argument— it’s not like it is hard to deal with two possible scenarios for the final.

 
SRP 
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03-11-18 10:23 PM - Post#252198    
    In response to SomeGuy

According to a committee guy a few days ago, they spend virtually all their time ranking the teams 1 to 68. Then they load the results into some software, which builds in various constraints, and crank out the pairings. The pairings take less than an hour or two for them to do and are barely discussed. So there is no pre-set conference seeding (teams, not conferences, are ranked).

 
TigerFan 
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Re: Bracketology watch
03-11-18 10:31 PM - Post#252204    
    In response to palestra38

Boo hoo! Is this a joke P38 or are you really that much of a whiner? Just be happy you are back in the NCAA tournament after so many years of mediocracy. And say a big thank you to the injury gods that took out 40% of both Yale and Harvard’s starting 5 (I’m counting Towns here) and to the rest of the league for allowing you to play on your home court.

 
Jay O 
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03-11-18 10:34 PM - Post#252206    
    In response to palestra38

  • palestra38 Said:
It's Princeton's fault



Agreed. If Princeton had just been better, we'd have two more higher quality wins!


 
sparman 
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Re: Bracketology watch
03-11-18 10:36 PM - Post#252209    
    In response to TigerFan

I'm assuming he's just yanking chains. It's not a rational argument.

 
penn nation 
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Re: Bracketology watch
03-11-18 10:37 PM - Post#252211    
    In response to TigerFan

Several players on Penn's bench have also been injured this year. Including a heralded freshman who, if healthy, is likely to receive major minutes in the future.

The bottom line is nobody picked Penn to win this league at the beginning of the season. This development has stunned Penn fans as much as anyone else.

Even as recently as last year, Penn always found ways to lose games. Finally, halfway through the Ivy season, it began to find its mojo. Now it has learned how to WIN--this has been absent in West Philly for a full decade.

In the future, it will hopefully learn how to win against higher quality opponents.

 
Mike Porter 
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03-11-18 10:54 PM - Post#252219    
    In response to penn nation

Clearly we got jobbed with a 16 seed and it isn’t just Penn fans saying it (see plenty of Twitter commentary and even Kansas folks).

That said, it certainly isn’t Princeton's fault. We could have easily rectified it by winning a few more games or played a tougher schedule. I do think we should the Ivy tournament timing had a negative effect this time and likely in the future.

That said, this clearly feels like the committee scratched off Harvard and wrote in Penn.

 
penn nation 
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03-11-18 11:10 PM - Post#252225    
    In response to Mike Porter

Clearly we got jobbed. And not just because 9 qualifying teams finished below Penn in KenPom.

If you look at the next highest qualifying teams in KenPom (Marshall and College of Charleston), they got seeded all the way up to 13. Even though, by the way, their NCSOSs were among the worst in the entire country.

 
Mike Porter 
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Re: Bracketology watch
03-11-18 11:36 PM - Post#252236    
    In response to TigerFan

  • TigerFan Said:
Boo hoo! Is this a joke P38 or are you really that much of a whiner? Just be happy you are back in the NCAA tournament after so many years of mediocracy. And say a big thank you to the injury gods that took out 40% of both Yale and Harvard’s starting 5 (I’m counting Towns here) and to the rest of the league for allowing you to play on your home court.



Absolutely, a lot had to happen and injury issues for Yale and Harvard helped open the door for Penn to make the run. Oh but wait, what was Princeton’s excuse again?

Regardless, 16 seed or not, a lot to be proud of as a Penn fan right now!

 
penn nation 
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Re: Bracketology watch
03-11-18 11:39 PM - Post#252238    
    In response to Mike Porter

  • Mike Porter Said:

Absolutely, a lot had to happen and injury issues for Yale and Harvard helped open the door for Penn to make the run. Oh but wait, what was Princeton’s excuse again?




That's OK, Princeton will have to settle for playing in the NIT/CIT/ Mercer County Rec League playoffs


 
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