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bradley 
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03-10-18 08:54 AM - Post#251638    

Tigers have experienced problems in playing against Yale this season. Fortunately, they have the best player in the league who has stepped up when needed although only being a sophomore.

Right now, they are projected as a #12 seed playing Maryland in round 1. They still should make the tournament if they lose in IvyMadness. Tigers have some big time recruits coming in next year as well plus they have a big time coach. Go Tigers!

 
bradley 
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Re: Women
03-11-18 09:39 AM - Post#251840    
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Alarie 17 pts - 17 rebounds - 3 blocks. She can play!

 
bradley 
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03-11-18 05:03 PM - Post#252022    
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Hopefully, Mitch and crew are watching the women's final. Banghart knows how to push the buttons on the defensive end and keep the players focused. She always has the foot on the pedal with sometimes uneven results but the players play "hard".

 
bradley 
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Re: Women
03-11-18 05:06 PM - Post#252024    
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Like the Penn's men team, Banghart has her players share the ball, i.e. star player Alarie has taken 2 shots and scored 3 points in the first half with 9 rebounds and 4 blocks --- unselfish star player who is a PG/PF at 6'4". Her dad, Mark, taught her well.

 
bradley 
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Re: Women
03-11-18 05:28 PM - Post#252034    
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Foot remains on the pedal after 3 quarters but they need to come out strong at the beginning of the 4th as they are on the road.

 
penn nation 
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Re: Women
03-11-18 05:38 PM - Post#252040    
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Really? With an 80 point lead?

  • bradley Said:
Foot remains on the pedal after 3 quarters but they need to come out strong at the beginning of the 4th as they are on the road.




 
bradley 
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Re: Women
03-11-18 05:52 PM - Post#252046    
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Emptied the bench -- good to see everyone get on the floor.

Now, let's see if they can repeat or do better than Blake's team a few years ago.

 
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Re: Women
03-11-18 07:19 PM - Post#252113    
    In response to penn nation

As long as Penn has not conceded the game, sure.

 
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Re: Women
03-11-18 11:20 PM - Post#252228    
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The way they were playing, the game was conceded before it began.

If you're up by, what, 30 points in the final quarter, and your opponents aren't getting anything done (and weren't for most of the game), enough already.

That coach has no class. Sorry to say it, but true.

 
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Re: Women
03-11-18 11:26 PM - Post#252229    
    In response to penn nation

People who live in glass houses....

 
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Re: Women
03-11-18 11:26 PM - Post#252230    
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Steve Donahue has no class?

Says who?

 
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03-11-18 11:41 PM - Post#252239    
    In response to penn nation

I have no problem with Princeton continuing to play. We have a long history of epic comebacks between the teams, and this is a championship game.

Congrats to the Princeton women - they were just the better team this year. Look forward to continued battles in the future.

 
bradley 
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03-12-18 08:35 AM - Post#252269    
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As you have pointed out, a coach simply does not take any chances even with a 28 pt lead entering the 4th quarter and Banghart did exactly the right thing by making sure that the Tiger players kept their intensity on defense and rebounding. She also decided to hold onto the ball and let the clock tick off which minimized the blowout as the Tigers scored only 8 points in the 4th quarter after average 19 pts thru the first 3 quarters. She tried to sub the bench in at the 2 minute mark but play continued on until an out of bounds play with 1 minute left.

Banghart has obviously been extremely successful and part of it is managing the game smartly. She obviously had the Tigers prepared to play from the opening whistle yesterday to take out the crowd and the homecourt.

There is a reason why the Tigers are projected as a #12 seed for the Tournament.

Finally, the players give her a huge thumbs up as to environment that she has built. Will she stay as she has and will get other opportunities. With Alarie at Princeton for two more years, she may well stay for at least 2 years.

 
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03-12-18 08:52 AM - Post#252271    
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  • bradley Said:
Finally, the players give her a huge thumbs up as to environment that she has built. Will she stay as she has and will get other opportunities. With Alarie at Princeton for two more years, she may well stay for at least 2 years.



She was carrying a two-year old boy during the post-game handshakes. Was that her kid? If she started a family in the past few years, I missed it.

 
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Re: Women
03-12-18 09:54 AM - Post#252301    
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  • penn nation Said:
If you're up by, what, 30 points in the final quarter, and your opponents aren't getting anything done (and weren't for most of the game), enough already. That coach has no class. Sorry to say it, but true.


Of all people, Penn fans should know that a big lead doesn't guarantee anything. 27 point comeback. I imagine she was trying to keep her team focused because the next game will require full effort. Plus as others have pointed out, PU only scored 8 points in the final Q and was taking the full 40 seconds off each possession. Sounds like easing up to me.

  • Go Green Said:
She was carrying a two-year old boy during the post-game handshakes. Was that her kid? If she started a family in the past few years, I missed it.


And if anyone would be spending time monitoring her personal life ......

 
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03-12-18 11:34 AM - Post#252344    
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If you are so curious, listen to Coach Banghart's Court Report each week on GoPrincetonTigers.com. Penn Nation should too. Not only is the coach a first class coach and person, that is also her son. Princeton is lucky to have her. My only regret is that she wasn't here as an undergrad. She grew up in New Hampshire.🐅

 
bradley 
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03-12-18 11:45 AM - Post#252347    
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I know that she is a great person and human being. You only need to hear how players talk about her to understand what a special person that she is.

If she stays at Princeton, unlikely, whe will continue to dominant women's IL basketball as she has built the "franchise". It is doubtful as she will be moving on to a big time program and it would not be surprising if she dominates at the next level as well. She is simply that good.

 
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03-12-18 11:46 AM - Post#252348    
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  • Tiger69 Said:
If you are so curious, listen to Coach Banghart's Court Report each week on GoPrincetonTigers.com. Penn Nation should too. Not only is the coach a first class coach and person, that is also her son. Princeton is lucky to have her.



I was aware that Banghart had received offers from bigger schools, but had assumed that she was remaining in Princeton for personal reasons.

However, I was not aware that she had started a family. There's no question that Princeton is a great area to raise children. So its probable that she could be at Princeton for a long while...

 
penn nation 
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Re: Women
03-12-18 01:58 PM - Post#252431    
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If you're up by 27 but with time still to play in the first half, there's still time for the other team to come back. :-(

If you're up by 27 with 5:21 to play, by 26 with 4:19 to play, by 27 with 3:40 to play (all of these instances are when Princeton shot FTs and could have made substitutions--but did not) and Penn itself only scored 7 points during that 4th quarter, I think it's beyond absurd and in very bad taste that you wait the final minute of the game before taking out your starters.

  • sparman Said:
  • penn nation Said:
If you're up by, what, 30 points in the final quarter, and your opponents aren't getting anything done (and weren't for most of the game), enough already. That coach has no class. Sorry to say it, but true.


Of all people, Penn fans should know that a big lead doesn't guarantee anything. 27 point comeback. I imagine she was trying to keep her team focused because the next game will require full effort. Plus as others have pointed out, PU only scored 8 points in the final Q and was taking the full 40 seconds off each possession. Sounds like easing up to me.

  • Go Green Said:
She was carrying a two-year old boy during the post-game handshakes. Was that her kid? If she started a family in the past few years, I missed it.


And if anyone would be spending time monitoring her personal life ......




Edited by penn nation on 03-12-18 01:59 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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03-12-18 02:02 PM - Post#252433    
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Her son also ambled back to her and threw a championship T-shirt into her face during the postgame ESPNU interview.

My short take on the game for PAW: https://paw.princeton.edu/article/womens-basket bal...

 
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03-12-18 03:11 PM - Post#252471    
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  • whitakk Said:
Her son also ambled back to her and threw a championship T-shirt into her face during the postgame ESPNU interview.





Awww...



 
bradley 
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Re: Women
03-12-18 04:27 PM - Post#252509    
    In response to penn nation

I have passed on your thoughts to Mitch to let him know not that he should not feel so bad about the Tigers blowing a 22 point lead at Cornell during the last half of the second half when his team lost their focus.

Rather than dribbling out the clock in the fourth quarter and avoiding turnovers, Courtney should have instructed the team to pass the ball to the Quakers or keep their hands down on defense.

But really, it sounds like you are really struggling with the yesterday's loss. Box of Kleenex may help.

 
penn nation 
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Re: Women
03-12-18 04:41 PM - Post#252514    
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Tell Mitch/Courtney s/he might want to rest his/her starters for the upcoming tourney (oh well, I guess only Courtney then) with 5, 4, 3, or 2 minutes to play and a 25-28 point lead.

I didn't even include:

Penn time out at 2:54
Princeton turnover at 2:23


Still no substitutions.

Not even Mitch Henderson could blow those leads (although I'm sure he'd try his darndest).

Edited by penn nation on 03-12-18 04:43 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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03-12-18 04:46 PM - Post#252516    
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Two impressive performances from a very good team.

From the first game of the season, they seemed to be the team to beat. A surprising hiccup against Yale, which happened to Penn last year, and a bad 20 minutes against Harvard were the only problems they had through the Ivy schedule. Even with the tournament at the Palestra, it was hard to think they would not win in a convincing manner.

As a Penn person, I had no problem with anything Coach Banghart said or did this weekend. She is smart, confident and really good at her profession. She assembles solid teams, coaches them well and protects them at all times. Watching her press conferences, she gives complex well thought out comments, even if they are not what people are expecting or want to hear.

Towards the end of yesterday's post-game press conference, it was noted that several of her players kneel during the national anthem and she was asked about this. She mentioned that she and the university support the players' rights to peacefully protest, but she wanted them to discuss the issue. It was important for her to have her student-athletes work things through because she felt smart people are supposed to talk about things that are hard. With a diverse roster of students, including the niece of the former President, these were probably not easy discussions.

I went back and watched that clip and to the best of my ability am posting the last part of her comment, "I'm really proud that they felt like they've thought things through and I feel it's important as an educated woman to have an opinion that is well thought out. And so, I supported them and I think they know that I really supported them."

If I were a parent of one of her players, I would be confident that she was going to bring out the best of my child's abilities while helping her to become a strong and successful person. In the end, who wouldn't want someone like that in charge of their school's program.

Edited by rbg on 03-12-18 04:49 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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Re: Women
03-12-18 04:53 PM - Post#252520    
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27 point lead:

2:11 Beth Brzozowski missed Three Point Jumper. 34 - 61
2:11 Bella Alarie Defensive Rebound. 34 - 61
1:58 Leslie Robinson missed Three Point Jumper. 34 - 61

That sure as heck does not look like using the full shot clock to me. It does, however, look like one of your best players still in the game at the 2 minute mark launching a 3, up 27.

Nice job, Princeton. Nice job.


  • sparman Said:
  • penn nation Said:
If you're up by, what, 30 points in the final quarter, and your opponents aren't getting anything done (and weren't for most of the game), enough already. That coach has no class. Sorry to say it, but true.


Of all people, Penn fans should know that a big lead doesn't guarantee anything. 27 point comeback. I imagine she was trying to keep her team focused because the next game will require full effort. Plus as others have pointed out, PU only scored 8 points in the final Q and was taking the full 40 seconds off each possession. Sounds like easing up to me.

  • Go Green Said:
She was carrying a two-year old boy during the post-game handshakes. Was that her kid? If she started a family in the past few years, I missed it.


And if anyone would be spending time monitoring her personal life ......




 
bradley 
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Re: Women
03-12-18 05:17 PM - Post#252531    
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You said it all. If my daughter was capable of playing Division I basketball, I would send her to Coach Banghart whether at Princeton or somewhere else as character development is as important as developing basketball skills.

Coach Donahue and the vast majority of IL coaches appear to be of high character and understand their unique role as an IL coach.

People who call others classless, may want to take a good hard look in the mirror based on what comes out of their mouth -- pretty sad.

 
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Re: Women
03-12-18 05:47 PM - Post#252547    
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I could not disagree more strongly.

I have experienced these kinds of coaches on the opposition when my kids are playing Little League, Rec League or even on middle school and high school teams.

There are just some coaches that will just never stop having their team steal bases. Doesn't matter what the score, what inning, what is going on in the larger picture of the game. They are barking at their players throughout and never letting up.

I will NEVER ever have one of my kids playing in any sports for such a coach, no matter what level of competition they are playing.

This is not the first time I've seen this Princeton coach engage in such behavior. She is the last coach I would ever want my daughter to be playing for.

Having one of your best players still in the game with under 2 minutes to go, shot clock nowhere near exhausted, up 27 and launching a three?

Get out of town.

Edited by penn nation on 03-12-18 05:49 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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Re: Women
03-12-18 05:47 PM - Post#252548    
    In response to penn nation

Perhaps it is possible that Coach Banghart wanted to give her starters the ability to be on the court in the league championship game. I also notice that Penn's Michelle Nwokedi missed a jumper at 1:27 in the 4th. Really seems like poor form to keep your starters in that late when you are losing by so much, and even worse to have them shoot a jump shot! The horror!

Also funny to read Penn fans complaining about the team and coach's celebration afterwards. To me, it would seem that if you don't want the other team to have the audacity to celebrate on your court, either win the game, or don't host the tournament on your court.

Edited by jadwinjungle on 03-12-18 05:48 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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03-12-18 05:51 PM - Post#252550    
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You haven't me heard about complaining about any celebration. Princeton is fully entitled to a well-deserved celebration for clearly being the top Ivy team.



 
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Re: Women
03-12-18 05:52 PM - Post#252551    
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Yes, the horror that she had the nerve to put up a shot with a full 5 seconds left on the 30 second shot clock.

Really.

  • jadwinjungle Said:
PI also notice that Penn's Michelle Nwokedi missed a jumper at 1:27 in the 4th. Really seems like poor form to keep your starters in that late when you are losing by so much, and even worse to have them shoot a jump shot! The horror!




 
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Re: Women
03-12-18 06:03 PM - Post#252556    
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Perhaps my sarcasm didn't come across, but I really don't care who shot when at any point in this game. I think if you polled the Penn women's team, it would have been more insulting for Princeton to have passed up clearly open shots and to play keep away for 30 seconds. I'm not sure why you dislike Coach Banghart so much, but this is really a non issue

 
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Re: Women
03-12-18 06:05 PM - Post#252557    
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  • penn nation Said:
27 point lead:
1:58 Leslie Robinson missed Three Point Jumper. 34 - 61

That sure as heck does not look like using the full shot clock to me. It does, however, look like one of your best players still in the game at the 2 minute mark launching a 3, up 27.


For what it's worth, Leslie Robinson has not made a three pointer all season. Rather than trying to run up the score, I think the team just thought it would be nice for her to have one in her senior year.

 
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Re: Women
03-12-18 06:09 PM - Post#252559    
    In response to penn nation

PN, give it a rest. We get it. You hate Courtney Banghart. The reason is obvious. A) She coaches Princeton and B) She's been extremely successful building a program and culture that is unprecedented in the Ivy League. Your comments are becoming beyond comical and they reek of Princeton envy and jealousy. If she were your coach with the same success, you'd be crowing non stop about how she's the best thing to happen to basketball since James Naismith and defending every critical thing any one said.

On the second thought, never mind. Continue with your hatred. I need a couple of good chuckles every week.

 
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03-12-18 06:16 PM - Post#252560    
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Maybe in the very distant future Banghardt can start to, perhaps, dream of getting close to what McLaughlin has done at Penn, utterly transforming what had been a mostly moribund program for its entire history.

Until then, she can take a few lessons from him on how to conduct a winning program with class. He has had plenty of experience in this department, both at Penn and elsewhere.

Edited by penn nation on 03-12-18 06:18 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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03-12-18 06:17 PM - Post#252561    
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Nwokedi is Penn's leading scorer and has also played the most minutes of any Penn player. If she's still in the game with less than two minutes to go then what's the complaint about Princeton still having starters in the game? From about the 5 minute mark in the 4th quarter a Princeton guard would just dribble for 10-15 seconds on most possessions a few feet into the frontcourt before even starting the offense. If a team is trying to run up the score that isn't what they'd be doing.

 
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03-12-18 06:22 PM - Post#252566    
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Why should Penn bring in its subs to face these Princeton starters when even its starters can't do a thing?



 
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Re: Women
03-12-18 07:01 PM - Post#252569    
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I finally figured it out. penn nation wanted Banghart to take out the starters probably at the beginning of the 4th quarter. Banghart would then have her bench players dribble endlessly while the Penn starters were trying to steal the ball. So instead of the Princeton starters not trying to score, the bench players would try to perform this role and maybe the score would be less than a blow out. I am not sure if penn nation is advocating that the bench players are allowed to shuffle their feet on defense or put their arms up.

We should send Coach Banghart a note although she will probably be distracted by preparing for game #1 in the tournament which confirms that she has no class.

I think that it might be time to try to stop responding to these "unusual" comments and get ready to watch the Tiger women play maybe Maryland???

 
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03-12-18 07:15 PM - Post#252572    
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Complaints about running up the score are absurd in basketball.

 
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03-12-18 07:48 PM - Post#252576    
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Because..... you say so?

 
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03-12-18 08:02 PM - Post#252578    
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Penn Nation: congratulations to your fine Men's Championship team.
Now that you've vented ad nauseum about Coach Banghart and our women, please run along back to your board. I, for one, am tired of your nonsense.

 
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Re: Women
03-12-18 08:04 PM - Post#252579    
    In response to penn nation

My last post on this topic, because as has been rightly pointed out, the discussion should shift to the actual game Princeton has coming up, but couldn't help but note the irony in penn_nation throwing in a jab at Mitch for blowing leads when Penn's women's team blew a 25 point lead in the 4th quarter almost exactly a year ago today. Perhaps you should've said "Not even Mike McLaughlin could blow those leads (although I'm sure he'd try his darndest)"! I'm sure he would conduct his lead blowing with great class :-)

Edited by jadwinjungle on 03-12-18 08:05 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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03-12-18 08:14 PM - Post#252583    
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Thanks for pointing out the mega-collapse of the quackers last year (although I was rather sad about it at the time). Of the many frequent posters on these boards, PN seems to be among the most fragile and annoying.

 
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Re: Women
03-12-18 08:27 PM - Post#252587    
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His energy is admirable. I do not have the strength to sustain such outrage over a non-event.

Meanwhile, this season Penn defeated Brown this year by 33, with 3 starters playing 3 full quarters; beat Columbia by 40, outscoring the Lions by 20 in the second half, including an 18-7 fourth quarter and 15 3PTA in the 2d half, and a week later beat Dartmouth by 29, after a 25 point half-time lead and three starters playing 33, 35, and 38 minutes.

I don't think we would see an apology if the roles had been reversed - nor should we - only trash talk.



 
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Re: Women
03-12-18 10:20 PM - Post#252626    
    In response to penn nation

Maybe Penn's subs would have had a better chance.

 
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03-13-18 10:04 AM - Post#252678    
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May I offer another perspective?

If Penn was going to lose the game, they SHOULD be encouraging Banghart to leave her starters in and run up the score as much as possible.

Banghart has been the loudest voice (and its not even close) of not having the tournament at the Palestra. Sunday's results completely torpedo her arguments that Penn got too much of an advantage.

If the tournament returns to the Palestra in 2019, you can probably thank Banghart and her starters for "saving" the home court advantage for the Quakers.

 
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03-13-18 10:43 AM - Post#252690    
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If you look at what the Penn women are losing to graduation (4 seniors who play a lot of minutes), and what they're bringing in as recruits, and at the 2018-2019 rosters of 4 or 5 other teams, Penn may struggle even to get into the Tournament. So HCA may be a total non-issue.

 
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03-13-18 10:48 AM - Post#252691    
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The facts are that Vegas gives roughly a 3 pt advantage to the home team. Obviously, home court is a non-factor in a 29 pt blow out and I suspect that the Penn/Princeton women's game will have absolutely no impact on the decision as to where IvyMadenss will be played next year unlike the Harvard/Penn men's game but we should know in the not too distant future.

If I could, I would put a wager on the decision.

 
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03-13-18 10:54 AM - Post#252695    
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  • bradley Said:
I suspect that the Penn/Princeton women's game will have absolutely no impact on the decision as to where IvyMadenss will be played next year unlike the Harvard/Penn men's.



And if you don't mind my asking, why does the men's result control Ivy policy even though the women's result points in the exact opposite direction?

Not picking fights here. You've just said what many others have strongly implied....

 
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03-13-18 11:29 AM - Post#252706    
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Playing on the road or at a neutral site is immaterial relative to a 29 pt blow out. If all conference final games were decided by 5+ points or more, it would not matter if the games were played on a road or neutral site, including the Moon. The reality is that is not the case in last Sunday's men's final as well as what took place last year in regulation time in the men's final. Home court for Penn gave them an approximate 3 pt advantage for each game.

At the end of the day, let's see what the IvyMadness committee does. I will be surprised if they keep it at the Palestra but one never knows when it comes to IvyMadness.

 
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03-13-18 11:44 AM - Post#252716    
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  • bradley Said:
Playing on the road or at a neutral site is immaterial relative to a 29 pt blow out. If all conference final games were decided by 5+ points or more, it would not matter if the games were played on a road or neutral site, including the Moon. The reality is that is not the case in last Sunday's men's final as well as what took place last year in regulation time in the men's final. Home court for Penn gave them an approximate 3 pt advantage for each game.

At the end of the day, let's see what the IvyMadness committee does. I will be surprised if they keep it at the Palestra but one never knows when it comes to IvyMadness.



Ok, but who's going to lead the charge for making changes? It doesn't appear that Amaker was offended by the men's result. Scalise may or may not be steaming, but I haven't seen any commentary from him.

Personally, I think Banghart would look foolish if she continues her crusade to make changes in light of her team's steamrolling through the tournament.

 
Quakers03 
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Re: Women
03-13-18 01:36 PM - Post#252756    
    In response to jadwinjungle

  • jadwinjungle Said:
Also funny to read Penn fans complaining about the team and coach's celebration afterwards. To me, it would seem that if you don't want the other team to have the audacity to celebrate on your court, either win the game, or don't host the tournament on your court.


I'm the one whining about the celebration and once again it has nothing to do with celebrating on the Palestra floor. They have every right to do it, I just think it's weird to see a grown woman sitting on a rim. Save that for the kids.



 
Albert08 
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Re: Women
03-13-18 02:36 PM - Post#252776    
    In response to Quakers03

Did you see Amy Guttmann doing her best "dancin' fool" routine with members of the Penn Band during the net cutting ceremony? I did. Sometimes grown-ups get carried away in the presence of too much youth. Cut them some slack.

 
bradley 
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03-13-18 10:27 PM - Post#252910    
    In response to Albert08

It was interesting to hear the last Mitch Henderson radio show of the season. Mitch was on the road but two of the assistant coaches participated, Skye and Chris. A fair amount of conversation regarding Penn vs. Kansas and they definitely hope that Penn pulls off the upset and becomes the 1st team to win as a #16 seed.

They both suggested that the format of IvyMadness should change to either utilizing the Patriot League format or go to a neutral site. They are talked about going to 3 vs. 4 teams to give the #1 seed a well earned advantage. They commented that the ultimate decision is not in their pay grade.

 
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03-14-18 11:17 AM - Post#252968    
    In response to bradley

  • bradley Said:
It was interesting to hear the last Mitch Henderson radio show of the season. Mitch was on the road but two of the assistant coaches participated, Skye and Chris. A fair amount of conversation regarding Penn vs. Kansas and they definitely hope that Penn pulls off the upset and becomes the 1st team to win as a #16 seed.

They both suggested that the format of IvyMadness should change to either utilizing the Patriot League format or go to a neutral site. They are talked about going to 3 vs. 4 teams to give the #1 seed a well earned advantage. They commented that the ultimate decision is not in their pay grade.



Has Henderson ever commented on the issue?

Personally, I doubt going to a three-team tournament will mollify anyone... So long as Penn makes the finals, we will be hearing griping about "unfairness" no matter what types of hoops we present in front of them.


 
bradley 
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03-14-18 02:39 PM - Post#253039    
    In response to Go Green

Both Assistant Coaches stated that their comments were solely their own and they do not know the current thinking of Coach H or the AD -- not within their pay grade. Has there been any discussion amongst the coaching staff? -- who knows for sure.

Both coaches did state that the Palestra, although grand, gives too much of a competitive advantage to the Quakers and the location was simply not "fair" to the other teams. I assume that the rise of the Quakers from the IL dumpster is a factor in their thinking.

Besides using the Patriot format (they talked about the excitement at Bucknell for the tournament final against Colgate), they also mentioned Mohegan Sun -- I believe.

At the end of the day, it will be interesting to see what the league decides upon but it really is not at all surprising that this topic might be a hot one. Reservations for Mohegan Sun may be made in the not too distant future.



 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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03-14-18 03:16 PM - Post#253058    
    In response to bradley

Parking is FREE and inexpensive buses run at all hours from NY, Boston, with a free shuttle from New London (Amtrak and Cross Island Ferry).

Mohegan Sun is not seedy/sketchy like most of Atlantic City. Good restaurants and pedestrian area. Wolf's Den Lounge often has worthwhile musical guests (faux bands) in a open setting.

I'll save a table at the buffet!

 
penn nation 
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03-14-18 04:01 PM - Post#253067    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Yes, Mrs. Nation and I enjoyed the Wolf's Den. We even saw a 7 pm Air Supply concert (done by 8:30), although we had to pay a few shekels for the privilege.

It's a perfectly fine setting although the critiques that some feel are characteristic of Bridgeport (antiseptic) would apply to Mohegan Sun Arena, too.

Plus the question of the whole casino bit playing well with the Ivy powers that be that has been hashed and rehashed here.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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03-14-18 04:07 PM - Post#253070    
    In response to penn nation

There is no sports gambling at Mohegan Sun. Possibly more in the Palestra this past weekend?

I saw a faux John Lennon performance. Even my in-laws enjoyed it.

Fortunately (unfortunately), Mohegan Sun seems to attract much of an older suburban crowd who like to play the slots. Possibly you'd find the same crowd is some quaint N.E. church the next morning. I found it rather harmless.

If by antiseptic you mean the area is new and clean - then yes. But so is a renovated Lavietes! The new video screen above Lavietes is the best in the league. Fans can not just second guess the refs, but actually see if they were right!

 
Old Bear 
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03-14-18 04:07 PM - Post#253071    
    In response to penn nation

The VP of Marketing at Mohegan is a former Brown Basketball Team Manager. The IL will get excellent treatment.

 
penn nation 
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03-14-18 04:25 PM - Post#253077    
    In response to Old Bear

  • Old Bear Said:
The IL will get excellent treatment.



I think that is precisely the chief worry among some.




 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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03-14-18 06:17 PM - Post#253097    
    In response to penn nation

Awesome!

Friends in High (Fun) places is always good.

 
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