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Username Post: Women        (Topic#21311)
jadwinjungle 
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Re: Women
03-12-18 08:04 PM - Post#252579    
    In response to penn nation

My last post on this topic, because as has been rightly pointed out, the discussion should shift to the actual game Princeton has coming up, but couldn't help but note the irony in penn_nation throwing in a jab at Mitch for blowing leads when Penn's women's team blew a 25 point lead in the 4th quarter almost exactly a year ago today. Perhaps you should've said "Not even Mike McLaughlin could blow those leads (although I'm sure he'd try his darndest)"! I'm sure he would conduct his lead blowing with great class :-)

Edited by jadwinjungle on 03-12-18 08:05 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Tiger69 
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Re: Women
03-12-18 08:14 PM - Post#252583    
    In response to jadwinjungle

Thanks for pointing out the mega-collapse of the quackers last year (although I was rather sad about it at the time). Of the many frequent posters on these boards, PN seems to be among the most fragile and annoying.

 
sparman 
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Re: Women
03-12-18 08:27 PM - Post#252587    
    In response to jadwinjungle

His energy is admirable. I do not have the strength to sustain such outrage over a non-event.

Meanwhile, this season Penn defeated Brown this year by 33, with 3 starters playing 3 full quarters; beat Columbia by 40, outscoring the Lions by 20 in the second half, including an 18-7 fourth quarter and 15 3PTA in the 2d half, and a week later beat Dartmouth by 29, after a 25 point half-time lead and three starters playing 33, 35, and 38 minutes.

I don't think we would see an apology if the roles had been reversed - nor should we - only trash talk.



 
SecS3 
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Re: Women
03-12-18 10:20 PM - Post#252626    
    In response to penn nation

Maybe Penn's subs would have had a better chance.

 
Go Green 
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03-13-18 10:04 AM - Post#252678    
    In response to SecS3


May I offer another perspective?

If Penn was going to lose the game, they SHOULD be encouraging Banghart to leave her starters in and run up the score as much as possible.

Banghart has been the loudest voice (and its not even close) of not having the tournament at the Palestra. Sunday's results completely torpedo her arguments that Penn got too much of an advantage.

If the tournament returns to the Palestra in 2019, you can probably thank Banghart and her starters for "saving" the home court advantage for the Quakers.

 
Albert08 
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03-13-18 10:43 AM - Post#252690    
    In response to Go Green

If you look at what the Penn women are losing to graduation (4 seniors who play a lot of minutes), and what they're bringing in as recruits, and at the 2018-2019 rosters of 4 or 5 other teams, Penn may struggle even to get into the Tournament. So HCA may be a total non-issue.

 
bradley 
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03-13-18 10:48 AM - Post#252691    
    In response to Go Green

The facts are that Vegas gives roughly a 3 pt advantage to the home team. Obviously, home court is a non-factor in a 29 pt blow out and I suspect that the Penn/Princeton women's game will have absolutely no impact on the decision as to where IvyMadenss will be played next year unlike the Harvard/Penn men's game but we should know in the not too distant future.

If I could, I would put a wager on the decision.

 
Go Green 
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03-13-18 10:54 AM - Post#252695    
    In response to bradley

  • bradley Said:
I suspect that the Penn/Princeton women's game will have absolutely no impact on the decision as to where IvyMadenss will be played next year unlike the Harvard/Penn men's.



And if you don't mind my asking, why does the men's result control Ivy policy even though the women's result points in the exact opposite direction?

Not picking fights here. You've just said what many others have strongly implied....

 
bradley 
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03-13-18 11:29 AM - Post#252706    
    In response to Go Green

Playing on the road or at a neutral site is immaterial relative to a 29 pt blow out. If all conference final games were decided by 5+ points or more, it would not matter if the games were played on a road or neutral site, including the Moon. The reality is that is not the case in last Sunday's men's final as well as what took place last year in regulation time in the men's final. Home court for Penn gave them an approximate 3 pt advantage for each game.

At the end of the day, let's see what the IvyMadness committee does. I will be surprised if they keep it at the Palestra but one never knows when it comes to IvyMadness.

 
Go Green 
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03-13-18 11:44 AM - Post#252716    
    In response to bradley

  • bradley Said:
Playing on the road or at a neutral site is immaterial relative to a 29 pt blow out. If all conference final games were decided by 5+ points or more, it would not matter if the games were played on a road or neutral site, including the Moon. The reality is that is not the case in last Sunday's men's final as well as what took place last year in regulation time in the men's final. Home court for Penn gave them an approximate 3 pt advantage for each game.

At the end of the day, let's see what the IvyMadness committee does. I will be surprised if they keep it at the Palestra but one never knows when it comes to IvyMadness.



Ok, but who's going to lead the charge for making changes? It doesn't appear that Amaker was offended by the men's result. Scalise may or may not be steaming, but I haven't seen any commentary from him.

Personally, I think Banghart would look foolish if she continues her crusade to make changes in light of her team's steamrolling through the tournament.

 
Quakers03 
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Re: Women
03-13-18 01:36 PM - Post#252756    
    In response to jadwinjungle

  • jadwinjungle Said:
Also funny to read Penn fans complaining about the team and coach's celebration afterwards. To me, it would seem that if you don't want the other team to have the audacity to celebrate on your court, either win the game, or don't host the tournament on your court.


I'm the one whining about the celebration and once again it has nothing to do with celebrating on the Palestra floor. They have every right to do it, I just think it's weird to see a grown woman sitting on a rim. Save that for the kids.



 
Albert08 
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Re: Women
03-13-18 02:36 PM - Post#252776    
    In response to Quakers03

Did you see Amy Guttmann doing her best "dancin' fool" routine with members of the Penn Band during the net cutting ceremony? I did. Sometimes grown-ups get carried away in the presence of too much youth. Cut them some slack.

 
bradley 
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03-13-18 10:27 PM - Post#252910    
    In response to Albert08

It was interesting to hear the last Mitch Henderson radio show of the season. Mitch was on the road but two of the assistant coaches participated, Skye and Chris. A fair amount of conversation regarding Penn vs. Kansas and they definitely hope that Penn pulls off the upset and becomes the 1st team to win as a #16 seed.

They both suggested that the format of IvyMadness should change to either utilizing the Patriot League format or go to a neutral site. They are talked about going to 3 vs. 4 teams to give the #1 seed a well earned advantage. They commented that the ultimate decision is not in their pay grade.

 
Go Green 
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03-14-18 11:17 AM - Post#252968    
    In response to bradley

  • bradley Said:
It was interesting to hear the last Mitch Henderson radio show of the season. Mitch was on the road but two of the assistant coaches participated, Skye and Chris. A fair amount of conversation regarding Penn vs. Kansas and they definitely hope that Penn pulls off the upset and becomes the 1st team to win as a #16 seed.

They both suggested that the format of IvyMadness should change to either utilizing the Patriot League format or go to a neutral site. They are talked about going to 3 vs. 4 teams to give the #1 seed a well earned advantage. They commented that the ultimate decision is not in their pay grade.



Has Henderson ever commented on the issue?

Personally, I doubt going to a three-team tournament will mollify anyone... So long as Penn makes the finals, we will be hearing griping about "unfairness" no matter what types of hoops we present in front of them.


 
bradley 
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03-14-18 02:39 PM - Post#253039    
    In response to Go Green

Both Assistant Coaches stated that their comments were solely their own and they do not know the current thinking of Coach H or the AD -- not within their pay grade. Has there been any discussion amongst the coaching staff? -- who knows for sure.

Both coaches did state that the Palestra, although grand, gives too much of a competitive advantage to the Quakers and the location was simply not "fair" to the other teams. I assume that the rise of the Quakers from the IL dumpster is a factor in their thinking.

Besides using the Patriot format (they talked about the excitement at Bucknell for the tournament final against Colgate), they also mentioned Mohegan Sun -- I believe.

At the end of the day, it will be interesting to see what the league decides upon but it really is not at all surprising that this topic might be a hot one. Reservations for Mohegan Sun may be made in the not too distant future.



 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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03-14-18 03:16 PM - Post#253058    
    In response to bradley

Parking is FREE and inexpensive buses run at all hours from NY, Boston, with a free shuttle from New London (Amtrak and Cross Island Ferry).

Mohegan Sun is not seedy/sketchy like most of Atlantic City. Good restaurants and pedestrian area. Wolf's Den Lounge often has worthwhile musical guests (faux bands) in a open setting.

I'll save a table at the buffet!

 
penn nation 
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03-14-18 04:01 PM - Post#253067    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Yes, Mrs. Nation and I enjoyed the Wolf's Den. We even saw a 7 pm Air Supply concert (done by 8:30), although we had to pay a few shekels for the privilege.

It's a perfectly fine setting although the critiques that some feel are characteristic of Bridgeport (antiseptic) would apply to Mohegan Sun Arena, too.

Plus the question of the whole casino bit playing well with the Ivy powers that be that has been hashed and rehashed here.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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03-14-18 04:07 PM - Post#253070    
    In response to penn nation

There is no sports gambling at Mohegan Sun. Possibly more in the Palestra this past weekend?

I saw a faux John Lennon performance. Even my in-laws enjoyed it.

Fortunately (unfortunately), Mohegan Sun seems to attract much of an older suburban crowd who like to play the slots. Possibly you'd find the same crowd is some quaint N.E. church the next morning. I found it rather harmless.

If by antiseptic you mean the area is new and clean - then yes. But so is a renovated Lavietes! The new video screen above Lavietes is the best in the league. Fans can not just second guess the refs, but actually see if they were right!

 
Old Bear 
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03-14-18 04:07 PM - Post#253071    
    In response to penn nation

The VP of Marketing at Mohegan is a former Brown Basketball Team Manager. The IL will get excellent treatment.

 
penn nation 
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03-14-18 04:25 PM - Post#253077    
    In response to Old Bear

  • Old Bear Said:
The IL will get excellent treatment.



I think that is precisely the chief worry among some.




 
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