penn nation
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03-12-18 05:30 PM - Post#252537
In response to palestra38
Just great. Now Kansas will win by 60.
Loyola, by the way, is the best team no-one has heard of. I would have picked them to give Miami a very tough time even before this article.
Edited by penn nation on 03-12-18 05:32 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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03-12-18 05:40 PM - Post#252545
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We're going to get more publicity out of this joke seed than we ever could have hoped for unless we won. That's a great lead picture.
At some point I'd love an explanation, but we know one will not be forthcoming.
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03-12-18 05:56 PM - Post#252553
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FWIW, Schonbrun is a Columbia grad (graduate degree).
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TheLine
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03-12-18 05:57 PM - Post#252554
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Which page?
I only got thru page 1 so far. Learned KSTHANE must work in finance with a Wharton guy.
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penn nation
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03-12-18 06:06 PM - Post#252558
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Wait 'til you see them talk about how they think we play.
In their version of Penn basketball, we are slow, spend all of our shots launching threes, and only have good 3 point defense because we didn't play any good teams.
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03-12-18 06:18 PM - Post#252562
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Why didn’t Amaker call any time outs during the 26-2 run? The announcers said we would be a 13, maybe 14 seed.
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03-12-18 06:19 PM - Post#252563
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They sure talk about KenPom a lot.
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penn nation
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03-12-18 06:19 PM - Post#252564
In response to 10Q
Well, a time out was called in the middle but its name was halftime.
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10Q
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03-12-18 06:24 PM - Post#252567
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A full time out
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03-12-18 08:08 PM - Post#252581
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That foul called when Betley got trapped was VERY fortunate. Just finished watching the replay.
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LyleGold
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03-12-18 08:16 PM - Post#252585
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That foul called when Betley got trapped was VERY fortunate. Just finished watching the replay.
Yes, I have been thinking about that play a lot. When it happened, it seemed just like the inbounds play to Darnell with 3 secs. to go at Yale. From my view across the court, I couldn't see anything. Having reviewed the game and that play in particular several times, we got away with one. Fortunately, a foul call couldn't be reversed. Out of bounds plays can.
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03-12-18 08:38 PM - Post#252591
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The replay doesn't make clear the out of bounds question. We have to take it on the word of the announcers (not the greatest sightlines from their vantage point).
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03-12-18 08:48 PM - Post#252593
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After all the discussion about a benefit of the Tournament being that the hottest and healthiest Ivy team is more likely to emerges, if Harvard had survived the final 8 minutes without Towns (and Aiken) it would have been ironic.
Best of Luck to the Quakers.
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03-12-18 08:59 PM - Post#252596
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The replay doesn't make clear the out of bounds question.
Yes, but out of bounds was not the call. The replay shows no evidence of a foul that I could see. I was jumping up and down with joy from across the court and immediately said it was just like the Yale play - only it went our way this time. When I got home, hoarse and delirious, and had a chance to review the game, it became obvious that the ref assumed a foul. We definitely dodged a close call on the key play of the game.
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03-12-18 09:05 PM - Post#252598
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Right, but the announcers (at any rate) claimed that Betley had gone out of bounds and that the ball should therefore have been awarded to Harvard.
So I guess there were two different issues, then.
**Just watched it again. Definitely no foul. A make-up call for all of those Saturday night refs over the years!
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03-12-18 09:08 PM - Post#252600
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The whistle may have blown first. V
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LyleGold
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03-12-18 09:10 PM - Post#252601
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There was only one issue. The ref called a foul.
Yes, the announcer did say that it was a steal and the ball was off Betley. Frankly, that's what it looks like to me now, too. (I just watched it about 5 more times in slow motion.) The only thing that is unclear is if the ball went out of bounds before Betley retrieved it because the sideline is not visible. None of that matters because the ref called foul, not out of bounds
As far as karma, payback for past injustices, etc., well, refereeing is often bad in big games. Does it balance out in the long run? Probably.
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03-12-18 09:19 PM - Post#252605
In response to LyleGold
Yeah, this issue is being analyzed concurrently in the Ivy League header and, amazingly, similar conclusions have emerged.
There were a couple of other plays during the game that the announcers raised questions about--there was one in particular where they said Amaker could have appealed if he chose to.
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03-12-18 09:21 PM - Post#252606
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Despite wishing that the play had ended up as a turnover, Harvard had more than enough chances to win. I complain about various things, but not the refs. Too many calls - usually evens out.
Too many bunnies missed, no excuse for the extended Penn run (call a timeout!, get Haskett in to guard Foreman), and some bad decisions. I feel that the key play was when Penn missed a shot in the final minutes with Harvard up by 3, but Johnson failed to box out Wood or even go for the rebound. Penn hit a big 3 within seconds, instead of possibly falling behind by 2 sores. That was big.
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03-12-18 09:30 PM - Post#252607
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I feel that the key play was when Penn missed a shot in the final minutes with Harvard up by 3, but Johnson failed to box out Wood or even go for the rebound. Penn hit a big 3 within seconds, instead of possibly falling behind by 2 sores. That was big.
I had a nightmare last night that on Wood's second three (from the top of the key) Brodeur got whistled for a moving pick on the down screen. If you watch the replay, Brodeur goes down after presumably making some contact with the Harvard defender. I'm not entirely sure Brodeur didn't move laterally a fair bit to set that screen.
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