Untitled Document
Brown Columbia Cornell Dartmouth Harvard Penn Princeton Yale



Username Post: Maryland vs. Tigers        (Topic#21343)
bradley 
Masters Student
Posts: 794

Age: 69
Reg: 01-15-16
03-12-18 07:52 PM - Post#252577    

#12 seed in Kansas City against Big Ten University of Maryland. I believe the same team that Blake's team lost to in round #2.

It will be a big challenge as Maryland has been a perennial power. The challenge will be that Robinson will not be able to bull her way to the hoop like she can against the Ivies.

 
sparman 
Masters Student
Posts: 884
sparman
Reg: 12-08-04
Re: Maryland vs. Tigers
03-12-18 08:33 PM - Post#252589    
    In response to bradley

A real challenge, but Maryland stumbled late season. They lost 3 in a row and failed to win the regular season and, for the first time in 3 years, the Big 10 tournament.

 
bradley 
Masters Student
Posts: 794

Age: 69
Reg: 01-15-16
Re: Maryland vs. Tigers
03-13-18 02:30 PM - Post#252773    
    In response to sparman

On the Tigers website, Coach Banghart is interviewed as to receiving the #12 seed. She gave some usual coach talk but you could tell that she was pleased with the seed and the location. NCAAW tournament site rules based on seeding is rather funky.

She also talked a little bit of how important that it was for her team to win last weekend at the Palestra.

Other than Alarie, the Maryland team will probably have more physical skills so Banghart is going to have to coach her team up. After her first two years at Princetion, she has a 209-55 record including non-conference/IL and 112-14 IL.

 
sparman 
Masters Student
Posts: 884
sparman
Reg: 12-08-04
Re: Maryland vs. Tigers
03-14-18 06:18 PM - Post#253098    
    In response to bradley

Obama picks Tigers to beat Maryland, then lose to NC State.

Obama Brackets

 
bradley 
Masters Student
Posts: 794

Age: 69
Reg: 01-15-16
Re: Maryland vs. Tigers
03-14-18 08:16 PM - Post#253114    
    In response to sparman

Tigers are given only a 18% chance to beat Maryland which is not very high for a 12th seed. Maryland has a reputation plus they beat Rutgers twice handily and the Tigers were whipped by Rutgers in Decembeer.

Let's see if the Tigers can keep their composure and stay in the game and try to steal it at the end. Alarie is going to have to stay out of foul trouble and 3s' need to drop.

 
Eric Von Zipper 
Freshman
Posts: 69

Age: 65
Reg: 11-11-17
Re: Maryland vs. Tigers
03-14-18 09:13 PM - Post#253140    
    In response to bradley

Opens Maryland -7 1/2

 
bradley 
Masters Student
Posts: 794

Age: 69
Reg: 01-15-16
Re: Maryland vs. Tigers
03-15-18 08:54 AM - Post#253174    
    In response to Eric Von Zipper

Banghart's crew shoots FT at 75% and 78% in league play. The rebound, assist, block and turnover numbers are so significantly better than the opposition for league and non-league play. 3 pt shooting 34% is good but not great. Perhaps, the women can go over and teach the Tiger men how to shoot FTs other than Cannady.

Problem is that the stats of Maryland are as impressive against far better competition. They have no one quite as tall as Alarie but they have good overall team height and a lot of athleticism.

Possible to steal one but the Tigers will have to play their very best team ball. They are a team as represented by the fact that only one player is in the top ten of IL scorers - Alarie at #10 - even with the huge point differential vs. the opposition.



 
Go Green 
Masters Student
Posts: 436

Age: 47
Reg: 04-22-10
03-15-18 10:28 AM - Post#253188    
    In response to bradley


The Princeton-Maryland game looks pretty similar to the American-UCLA matchup for Saturday.

Hopefully the Ivy and Patriot reps can perform well!

 
sparman 
Masters Student
Posts: 884
sparman
Reg: 12-08-04
Re: Maryland vs. Tigers
03-15-18 12:24 PM - Post#253193    
    In response to bradley

The Baltimore Sun preview:

Sun preview

True to form, they focus exclusively on players with connections to the state.

 
bradley 
Masters Student
Posts: 794

Age: 69
Reg: 01-15-16
Re: Maryland vs. Tigers
03-15-18 09:15 PM - Post#253330    
    In response to sparman

Interesting 15 minute clip on goprincetontigers website with Coach Banghart talking about last weekend, her thoughts regarding IvyMadness tournament site and more importantly upcoming game with Maryland.

Good news is that Maryland does not have dominant inside prescience and they have a young team. Alarie will be the tallest player on the court but Terrapins are quick and fast and apply ball pressure.

Stated goal by Banghart is to win two games. Play without fear and go for the gusto.

 
Go Green 
Masters Student
Posts: 436

Age: 47
Reg: 04-22-10
Re: Maryland vs. Tigers
03-16-18 08:49 AM - Post#253358    
    In response to bradley

  • bradley Said:
Stated goal by Banghart is to win two games.



Would be awesome if that happened!

Would also shut down a lot of talk about changing IvyMadness. Imagine if in just year two of IvyMadness we got a team in the Sweet Sixteen!!

 
rbg 
Masters Student
Posts: 913

Reg: 10-20-14
03-16-18 09:02 AM - Post#253365    
    In response to bradley

Preview from the Daily Princetonian:
http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2018/03/w...

and the Maryland Diamondback:
http://www.dbknews.com/2018/03/16/maryland-w omens-...

http://www.dbknews.com/2018/03/16/maryland-w omens-...

http://www.dbknews.com/2018/03/16/maryland-w omens-...

The NCAA website lists the game as 12:00 pm, but the above articles and the Princeton women's basketball schedule lists the game as 12:30 pm.

The game can be watched live on ESPN2 or steamed at WatchESPN, http://www.espn.com/watch/search/Princeto n
Live stats can be found at this link, https://www.ncaa.com/game/basketball-women /d1/2018...

Maryland likes to push the pace and put up lots of points. While the Tigers can certainly stay with them, it will be better if they can avoid a track meet and make it more of physical low scoring game. If Princeton can exert control, especially down low, and get decent three point shooting, they have a good shot at defeating Maryland on a neutral court.

Good luck!

 
bradley 
Masters Student
Posts: 794

Age: 69
Reg: 01-15-16
03-16-18 10:39 AM - Post#253392    
    In response to rbg

Good point regarding pace of play as the Tigers do not want a track meet. It semms like the only way that the Ivies, men or women, can win is by playing at a controlled pace that keeps them in the game for a steal at the end of the game.

Yesterday, the TV on line reporter said that Coach Self urged his team to pick up the tempo and get the game speeded up. I though that Penn was playing a little too fast after building up a 10 pt lead. Big time conferences simply have more athletic players and pace is essential but it is tough when the other team gets some turnovers and picks up the pace -- especially when Kansas was essentially playing in from of a home court crowd.

 
sparman 
Masters Student
Posts: 884
sparman
Reg: 12-08-04
03-16-18 12:43 PM - Post#253406    
    In response to bradley

Too many bad passes and poor ball handling. We look nervous.

 
bradley 
Masters Student
Posts: 794

Age: 69
Reg: 01-15-16
03-16-18 12:46 PM - Post#253407    
    In response to bradley

Very slow start. Marylkand pressure is killing them -- nothing like the Tigers have seen this year. Looks like it is going to be a very challenging game.

 
sparman 
Masters Student
Posts: 884
sparman
Reg: 12-08-04
03-16-18 12:51 PM - Post#253408    
    In response to bradley

Actually outshooting them overall - but a lot fewer shots.

 
rbg 
Masters Student
Posts: 913

Reg: 10-20-14
03-16-18 01:30 PM - Post#253412    
    In response to sparman

Down only 31-26 at the half.

They are having a tough time on the inside, but started to improve as the half wound down. Alarie finally got on the board and got 6 points in the last few minutes.

The Tigers are shooting 7-15 from two, but only 3-12 from three and 3-6 from the FT line.

The Terrapins are 7-20 from two and 3-8 from three, but 8-9 from the FT line.

Big plus for Maryland is on the boards, where they are + 11. They have 24 boards (9 offensive, 15 defensive) and Princeton has 13 (3 offensive, 15 defensive).

Meyers, Weledji and Jordan have 2 fouls each. For Maryland, Jones and Lewis have two fouls.

 
bradley 
Masters Student
Posts: 794

Age: 69
Reg: 01-15-16
03-16-18 01:32 PM - Post#253413    
    In response to sparman

Very fortunate that they did not lose their composure as it could have been a blow out. Coach needs to make some adjustments during half time. Alarie and Littlefield looked intimidated in the first quarter but starting to get it together. Somehow, need to keep it a 5 to 6 pt game going into the 4th quarter and then hit some shots.

Whether it is the men or women, athleticism is just different between the Ivies and big time programs. Let's hope that Llewellen has that upper end of athletic ability for the men -- he might.

 
bradley 
Masters Student
Posts: 794

Age: 69
Reg: 01-15-16
03-16-18 01:34 PM - Post#253415    
    In response to bradley

The underdog in the other women's games are getting blown out.

 
sparman 
Masters Student
Posts: 884
sparman
Reg: 12-08-04
03-16-18 01:43 PM - Post#253416    
    In response to bradley

I imagine they are having to work so hard they are tired by the time they actually try to shoot.

 
bradley 
Masters Student
Posts: 794

Age: 69
Reg: 01-15-16
03-16-18 02:10 PM - Post#253420    
    In response to sparman

Overmatched although they have not played well. Young players are not ready for the big time. It will be a plus when they are Juniors and Seniors as they really only lose Robinson but there is a talent gap.

Not a great advertisement for a two bid league. At soe point, aaybe some people will get real as to what it takes to be a multi bid league. IL is not there yet but let's hope that it gets there one day in the not too distant future. Easy to say -- hard to do.

 
Go Green 
Masters Student
Posts: 436

Age: 47
Reg: 04-22-10
03-16-18 02:18 PM - Post#253424    
    In response to bradley


Not Princeton's day. Congrats on a fine season.

 
sparman 
Masters Student
Posts: 884
sparman
Reg: 12-08-04
03-16-18 02:21 PM - Post#253426    
    In response to bradley

Big difference between dominating Cornell and Dartmouth versus the Big 10. Depth needed.

 
bradley 
Masters Student
Posts: 794

Age: 69
Reg: 01-15-16
03-16-18 02:33 PM - Post#253431    
    In response to sparman

Agree. The Tigers have 3 players who can compete at this level for the next 2-3 years === Alarie, Myers and Littlefield. Robinson is a good player but at this level, she just does not have enough height or quickness but she has been wonderful for the program. There are several excellent recruits coming in but always the question in the Ivies is do they have the athleticism to compete at this level while being able to play in the system.

Banghart may well be leaving as she will get an opportunity to take over a big time program unless she want to ride with Alarie for the next two years. It would be a big time blow. Over the past ten years, she has the highest winning percentage of all IL BB coaches, men or women, by a significant amount.

 
Go Green 
Masters Student
Posts: 436

Age: 47
Reg: 04-22-10
03-16-18 02:51 PM - Post#253435    
    In response to bradley

  • bradley Said:

Banghart may well be leaving as she will get an opportunity to take over a big time program .



Banghart has been a finalist at some big places-including Southern Cal and Vanderbilt. Whether or not she was actually offered those jobs, I don't know.

My gut is that she loves Ivy basketball and is fine becoming the female Pete Carril.

 
sparman 
Masters Student
Posts: 884
sparman
Reg: 12-08-04
03-16-18 03:16 PM - Post#253443    
    In response to bradley

While I recognize the salary differential could be too big to pass up forever, she has probably noticed that successful ivy coaches who move on to the "next level" have an uncertain track record. Also moving a family presents challenges to other family members. Perhaps she accepts, for now, that she could stay, comfortably, as long as she wants in NJ.

Who knows. We have the same issue each year now.

 
SecS3 
Freshman
Posts: 36

Age: 70
Reg: 03-17-16
03-16-18 05:21 PM - Post#253457    
    In response to bradley

All of these rumors about Coach Banghart ran rampant after winning four in a row and after the undefeated season. I'd be pretty surprised if she jumped ship on Alarie, Littlefield and Myers.

 
rbg 
Masters Student
Posts: 913

Reg: 10-20-14
03-16-18 05:33 PM - Post#253459    
    In response to SecS3

The first and third quarters really did the Tigers in today. Maryland shot poorly in the first quarter, but their 7 offensive rebounds saved them. In the third quarter, they shot 9-15 (Princeton went 4-13) to break open a close game. Going 4-20 from three definitely did not help matters.

Maryland, like Rutgers earlier this season, proved to be too fast and strong.

No matter today's result, the team had a great season, an excellent Ivy Tournament and represented the conference well.

 
bradley 
Masters Student
Posts: 794

Age: 69
Reg: 01-15-16
03-16-18 06:33 PM - Post#253470    
    In response to Go Green

I agree that she would be the Princeton version of Pete Carril with a far more dominant program. With that said, I believe that she is going to leave as she has sights set on being one of the top coaches in the country and I would not rule out if she tries a men's program when those opportunities become available in the not too distant future.

I believe with no absolute knowledge that she is a ground breaker. Let's see -- next step will be success at a major women's program. She can do it but I hope not. Somewhat equated her to Penn's women coach -- not even close -- simply look at the records even with her first two years which were tough, turnaround years. She is underestimated by many.

 
1LotteryPick1969 
PhD Student
Posts: 1483
1LotteryPick1969
Age: 68
Loc: Baltimore, Maryland
Reg: 11-21-04
03-17-18 01:59 PM - Post#253617    
    In response to bradley

  • bradley Said:
I would not rule out if she tries a men's program when those opportunities become available in the not too distant future.



Agreed!


 
Go Green 
Masters Student
Posts: 436

Age: 47
Reg: 04-22-10
03-21-18 07:51 AM - Post#253978    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

Here's one possible destination for Banghart.

http://www.nbc29.com/story/14239051/debbie -ryan-to...




 
rbg 
Masters Student
Posts: 913

Reg: 10-20-14
03-21-18 09:21 AM - Post#253980    
    In response to Go Green

While that link was for a 2011 article, the Virginia job has opened up again due to the retirement of Joanne Boyle.

https://whoopdirt.com/virginia-head-coach-j oanne-b...

SummittHoops has a list of the Coaching Carousel and UVa seems to be the highest profile program on their list.

https://summitthoops.com/2018/03/09/2018-d1-co achi...

Surprisingly, they do not have Banghart on their early list of potential replacements:
https://summitthoops.com/2018/03/09/2018-d1-co achi...

They list Dawn Staley (South Carolina coach; former UVa star), Tina Langley (Rice coach), Tonya Cardoza (Temple coach; former UVa star), Lindsay Gottlieb (Cal coach; former Richmond assistant), Felisha Legette-Jack (Buffalo coach; former Indiana coach; former BC, Syracuse & Michigan State assistant), and Charlotte Smith (Elon coach; former UNC star).

Interestingly, on their list for the open BC job, is Harvard's Kathy Delaney-Smith:
https://summitthoops.com/2018/03/09/2018-d1-co achi...

 
Go Green 
Masters Student
Posts: 436

Age: 47
Reg: 04-22-10
Maryland vs. Tigers
03-21-18 09:25 AM - Post#253981    
    In response to rbg

  • rbg Said:
While that link was for a 2011 article, the Virginia job has opened up again due to the retirement of Joanne Boyle.





Really? Damn, my bad. Just saw the news on a blurb and posted the first article that came up on Google.

Will be more careful next time!

And I agree that Staley should be the front runner for the job. Probably hers if she wants it.

Edited by Go Green on 03-21-18 09:39 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
dperry 
PhD Student
Posts: 1038
dperry
Loc: Oreland, PA
Reg: 11-24-04
03-22-18 12:29 AM - Post#254051    
    In response to bradley

  • bradley Said:
Somewhat equated her to Penn's women coach -- not even close -- simply look at the records even with her first two years which were tough, turnaround years. She is underestimated by many.



The records since 2013-14 don't seem too different to me:

Penn: 63-11 Ivy (counting tournament), 3 champs, 111-38 overall
Princeton: 61-13 Ivy, 2 champs, 115-36 overall

After all, it would be hardly be fair to count McLaughlin's first four years, when he was rebuilding a program from ground zero (even lower than what Banghart inherited, not to mention with less resources, academic cachet, etc.) against an already established dynasty. Nevertheless, it only took him one more year to win his first championship than she did. There's also the minor detail that his average season at Holy Family over 11 or 12 years was 29-4. He may not be able to keep up (I'd be lying if I said I wasn't a bit discouraged about this at the moment), but that's not proven yet. And for what it's worth, I don't think she's going anywhere.
David Perry
Penn '92
"Hail, Alma Mater/Thy sons cheer thee now
To thee, Pennsylvania/All rivals must bow!!!"


 
SecS3 
Freshman
Posts: 36

Age: 70
Reg: 03-17-16
03-22-18 10:33 AM - Post#254071    
    In response to dperry

This reeks of sounding like the government. You can spin numbers to say whatever you want. Why don't we just put this to bed and admit that both coaches have been great for their programs and done a remarkable job. Let's leave it at that and see how the future plays out.

 
dperry 
PhD Student
Posts: 1038
dperry
Loc: Oreland, PA
Reg: 11-24-04
03-22-18 08:43 PM - Post#254174    
    In response to SecS3

  • SecS3 Said:
This reeks of sounding like the government. You can spin numbers to say whatever you want. Why don't we just put this to bed and admit that both coaches have been great for their programs and done a remarkable job. Let's leave it at that and see how the future plays out.



Hey, I won't spin numbers if you all won't make bald assertions. That being said, I'm content to let this lie here for now.
David Perry
Penn '92
"Hail, Alma Mater/Thy sons cheer thee now
To thee, Pennsylvania/All rivals must bow!!!"


 
Go Green 
Masters Student
Posts: 436

Age: 47
Reg: 04-22-10
Maryland vs. Tigers
03-29-18 07:56 AM - Post#254506    
    In response to rbg

  • rbg Said:
While that link was for a 2011 article, the Virginia job has opened up again due to the retirement of Joanne Boyle.





Anyone interested, Coach Boyle resigned to finalize the adoption of her daughter from Senegal.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/immigration/s...

Edited by Go Green on 03-29-18 07:57 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Icon Legend Permissions Topic Options
Report Post

Quote Post

Quick Reply

Print Topic

Email Topic

2714 Views




Copyright © 2004-2012 Basketball U. Terms of Use for our Site and Privacy Policy are applicable to you. All rights reserved.
Basketball U. and its subsidiaries are not affiliated in any way with any NCAA athletic conference or member institution.
FusionBB™ Version 2.1 | ©2003-2007 InteractivePHP, Inc.
Execution time: 0.221 seconds.   Total Queries: 16   Zlib Compression is on.
All times are (GMT -0500) Eastern. Current time is 02:57 PM
Top