Jeff2sf
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03-14-18 09:01 PM - Post#253128
In response to SomeGuy
I’m not conceding anything next year. A team that moved up to 127 in pomeroy and returns it’s best 2 players plus 2 more starters should be a top 100 team. I expect to be better next year, and that means Harvard and Yale will need to improve by more to pass us.
that's what I was saying earlier. They have to catch us... of course we caught them from behind this year, so it's not like it's impossible by any stretch.
I think we overstate our recruiting class by talking about Eddie and Jelani as frosh. One, I'll be shocked if they both stay 5 years. They almost certainly won't if they're as good as you think they are because why not have someone else pay for your master's.
Two, they weren't as highly thought of before the season as Harvard's peeps. Three, Jelani had a very serious injury. You can, of course, recover from it, but it happened and it lowers his outlook. it just has to until proven otherwise.
Four... did someone say we have four people in this class? who is the fourth?
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palestra38
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Kansas 03-14-18 09:05 PM - Post#253133
In response to Jeff2sf
Simmons(who hardly played in the Ivy season) and Wang
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Streamers
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Re: Kansas 03-14-18 09:10 PM - Post#253139
In response to palestra38
Check out this article from the CBS sports site
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TheLine
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03-14-18 09:18 PM - Post#253142
In response to Streamers
Simmons doesn't count.
And as Jeff rightly points out we'll see about Scott and Williams. Why I think it's possible is how tight this team is. Jelani was going on road trips with the team.
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PennFan10
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03-15-18 01:05 AM - Post#253163
In response to TheLine
I completely disagree with the notion that Harvard and Yale put Penn in 3rd place without injuries. It’s all speculative and Yale would certainly be better. Harvard had a losing record with Aiken playing and While he is a monster, it’s not necessarily wholly additive to Harvard. And Bruner is a strong talent but there is no indication they win it all with those guys.
Com8ng on here after the fact to say we wouldn’t have won strikes me as sour grapes. You want a shot at the title? Stay healthy. I believe we still win vs both those schools.
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Mike Porter
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03-15-18 04:42 AM - Post#253165
In response to PennFan10
Love the press to get word out on Penn and for recruiting. Hate it from perspective of no chance to sneak up on Kansas and also gives them an added chip on their shoulders. Here’s to hoping we can just put together a great game and keep it interesting/close throughout.
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Charlie Fog
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Kansas 03-15-18 06:47 AM - Post#253166
In response to Mike Porter
Why are we talking about Harvard?
It's Game Day. Let's go make history?
Edited by Charlie Fog on 03-15-18 06:52 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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TheLine
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03-15-18 07:06 AM - Post#253168
In response to Charlie Fog
Realistically it's an extreme long shot. But honestly the entire season has been a long shot.
This is a game for Antonio Woods to shine. Max needs to bring it - both for his interior passing and to help AJ avoid foul trouble. And we'll also need a big game from someone not in the core 6, I don't know who but no doubt Donahue has something in mind.
Psyched!
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Charlie Fog
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03-15-18 07:41 AM - Post#253170
In response to TheLine
Let’s do this!
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10Q
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03-15-18 08:05 AM - Post#253172
In response to Charlie Fog
The Dunphy Quakers got moral victories.
The Donahue Quakers shock the world.
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rbg
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03-15-18 08:45 AM - Post#253173
In response to 10Q
Some pregame links from out in Kansas -
https://kansas.rivals.com/news/penn-talks-about -fa... (Transcript of Press Conference)
http://www.kansan.com/sports/gameday-no-kan sas-vs-...
http://www2.kusports.com/news/2018/mar/14/penn -aim...
http://www.kansascity.com/sports/spt-columns-bl ogs... (article written by Vahe Gregorian, Class of '83?)
And, a hometown DP supplement -
http://projects.thedp.com/2018/03/march-madness /
GO QUAKERS!!!!!
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Cvonvorys
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03-15-18 09:33 AM - Post#253179
In response to rbg
Personally, I'll be paying attention to Darnell's shot selection... I hope that Ryan & Caleb & AJ and others can knock down some shots early so that Darnell doesn't think he needs to carry the scoring burden. It's been well documented what our record is when Darnell attempts more than 10 FGs vs. 10 or less...
Let's hope we have some recruits out there watching who want to be part of this in the future...
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OldBig5
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03-15-18 09:51 AM - Post#253181
In response to Cvonvorys
Heard guy on the radio yesterday--one of those sports betting guys. He noted that the Kansas and Penn spread of 15 points was a record. He attributed it to Kansas not being a legitimate number one. He said they should have been a three seed. Take that Jayhawks fans.
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10Q
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03-15-18 09:53 AM - Post#253183
In response to OldBig5
The talk is (almost) over. Time to strap on the shoulder pads.
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SomeGuy
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03-15-18 10:12 AM - Post#253185
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
HDG — yes, I realize the league loses very few seniors. My point is broader than just our league — a 127 Pomeroy team that doesn’t lose much (regardless of whether other teams in the league lose less) is likely a top 100 team the next year. To me, that just sets the bar that Harvard and others will need to climb over. I think that’s a pretty high bar even for Ivy teams that lose nobody (Harvard).
Also, Yale should have Reynolds back (he’s a junior). They lose Yates, who was a useful reserve, but wouldn’t have been playing if not for the injuries (and I believe was a walk-on to begin with).
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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03-15-18 10:29 AM - Post#253189
In response to SomeGuy
Well I guess that's going to be the debate over the summer, isn't it? Can we replace the loss of Foreman and Wood with improved returnees plus Scott/Williams/Wang?
Jeff-P38 blowup in 10-9-8-7-...
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palestra38
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Kansas 03-15-18 10:39 AM - Post#253190
In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
Why? I think Jeff and I agree on this.
But that's for later, anyway.
GO QUAKERS!!!!!!!!!
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Chip Bayers
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03-15-18 10:45 AM - Post#253191
In response to rbg
His father was provost in the late 70s, early 80s - was the in-house favorite son of many to become Penn’s president when the trustees chose Sheldon Hackney. Later became president of the New York Public Library, where he was a renowned fundraiser, and then president of Brown. He’s run the Carnegie Foundation for 20+ years.
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palestra38
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03-15-18 10:50 AM - Post#253192
In response to Chip Bayers
The peacemaker during the famed '78 sit-in.
http://www.library.upenn.edu/docs/kislak/dp/1978/1 ...
(And they still did not restore the Hockey program)
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UPIA1968
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03-15-18 04:27 PM - Post#253294
In response to palestra38
So ends one of the most satisfying seasons in the program’s history, competent play on the road against a top ten team. Sure, I would love to have seen an upset. Still, the meaning of this game is the experience gained by the returning players and the national stage Steve can point to in recruiting.
The team should also learn from the free throw differential: 5-14 compared to 15-17 by Kansas. To win at the next level that has to be 11-15 of better. Same thing for the 8-11 turnover differential. Turn both of those of those differentials around and you have a close came or a win. The other imperative is to find a way to get Betley involved, even when overplayed. You can’t have your leading scorer disappear like that, or like it happened in several games down the stretch. One thing would help if he develops a left hand move to the hole.
It was interesting to see how much time Devon got. Steve played, I think, only seven players until the end there. That Devon was one of them suggests that he will be the point guard next year. Note also that Antonio had ten points and two assists against no turnovers. I predict he will become a significant scorer next year, although he reminds me a lot of Rob Belcore. I would sure settle for that.
I’ll close with a sincere goodbye to Caleb and Darnell. More than anything this year, their improved play made the difference. Yes, I would like to see the matriculation of a 4-star stud or two, but Penn’s march towards excellence is far more the development of 2-star recruits like them into 4-star players. Need I point out that Harvard suited up nine 2.5-star or better players this year (not counting Aiken), most of whom performed like 2-star players. College basketball is so much harder than high school basketball. True, as Mike James points, recruiting has a clearly statistically-significanc e on performance. But I would like to seem him perform his magic on the importance of development in college. Who is this kid from suburban Philly name Betley again?
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