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Kansas 03-13-18 01:57 PM - Post#252764
In response to palestra38
It's easier for Self to motivate his team when everyone and his mother is giving us a legit shot at this. The chance we can stay in this game isn't high to begin with, it goes down if Graham knows he has to bring it and Self decides that sitting Dok isn't worth it.
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palestra38
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Re: Kansas 03-13-18 01:59 PM - Post#252766
In response to TheLine
That will only happen if AJ gives a spin move and the knee buckles. Otherwise, he is playing.
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Re: Kansas 03-13-18 02:25 PM - Post#252771
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And yes - our only chance is to jump them early, get them frustrated, and have the game devolve from there. That happens and there's a chance.
Let me politely disagree. I think our best chance is to hang close with them throughout the game and then frustrate them at the end. I think their attitude is like the 1980 Russian Olympic Mens Ice Hockey Team, who thought up until the last minute that they were going to win. I want a cocky, over-confident Kansas team to be up by 5-8 throughout, and then we make a late push at the end. Maybe another back-to-back trifecta (or better, a back-to-back-to-back trifecta) from Caleb with 1:30 to go to take the lead. My sense is that Kansas will be freaking out at that point, which will lead to some unforced errors, a la that Chris Lewis travel/fumble out of bounds at the end of Sunday's game. My sense is that the crowd will now be pro-Penn... Screaming and rooting for history to be made. Then it will all come down to Penn hitting foul shots at the end and not botching a simple in-bounds pass.
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palestra38
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Re: Kansas 03-13-18 02:30 PM - Post#252774
In response to Cvonvorys
Amazing how, in a time of truce, we can agree so completely on basketball. That is exactly how it has to play out.
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penn nation
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Re: Kansas 03-13-18 02:33 PM - Post#252775
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Not so sure the crowd will be so pro-Penn even under the best of circumstances in a tight spot late:
1. The game's in Wichita
2. The 8-9 game tipping off afterwards, at 4:30, is between Seton Hall and NC State. Probably won't have a ton of supporters from either team there.
3. The game's in Wichita.
Edited by penn nation on 03-13-18 02:34 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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10Q
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03-13-18 02:47 PM - Post#252779
In response to penn nation
1/2 full gym. Low energy
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penn nation
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03-13-18 02:50 PM - Post#252781
In response to 10Q
The arena for the second game will be mostly empty.
For the first game? A sea of blue.
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03-13-18 02:57 PM - Post#252782
In response to penn nation
I listened to Jay Wright on ESPN today and he said the year they played in Philadelphia they went down to a team from somewhere else (can't remember who) and everyone started cheering for the underdog in Philadelphia! He was shocked the crowd became anti-Nova when he thought it was a home game. He went on to say these early games split the tickets up among a lot of schools and all the other schools fans root for the dog so it works against the "home" team sometimes.
We'll see. Hope we can muster some underdog magic.
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penn nation
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03-13-18 03:03 PM - Post#252783
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I do have to laugh at how times have changed.
In 1979, they couldn't even get the name of our school right when we were in the Final Four.
In 2018, we're getting more press as a 16 seed than probably all of the 14-16 seeds combined...and I have yet to see a single mention of Penn State.
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10Q
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03-13-18 03:04 PM - Post#252785
In response to penn nation
Carry on my wayward son. All they are is dust in the wind.
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03-13-18 03:05 PM - Post#252787
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In terms of what happens, I think regardless of whether Azubuike plays, we will defend the 3 point line first. This could create an interesting dynamic, and an Antonio McDyess type game for someone. I think we’ll be trying to trade 3s for 2s as much as we can, essentially. Letting Kansas kill us one on one inside a bit may actually take them out of their strength.
The description of AJ’s athleticism by the Kansas folks is music to my ears. If only their team would view it that way.
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penn nation
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03-13-18 03:05 PM - Post#252788
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Yes, but that was Philly.
This is Wichita, which even for KU fans requires a 2 hour drive. I can't imagine there will be a ton of people there from outside the state of Kansas.
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penn nation
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03-13-18 03:07 PM - Post#252790
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Leftoverture for $1,000, Alex.
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03-13-18 03:07 PM - Post#252791
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May not be a ton of people there period. And there will be fans of every school not named Kansas, most of those become Penn fans if we keep it close.
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03-13-18 03:08 PM - Post#252792
In response to penn nation
There is zero chance the crowd will be with us. There's a greater chance we hang in there and get jobbed by a gutless call late in the game.
This isn't like Nova where the rest of the city hates them.
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penn nation
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03-13-18 03:12 PM - Post#252793
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Yes. Those 150 fans become Penn fans.
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palestra38
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03-13-18 03:14 PM - Post#252796
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It's Kansas---it will be full and rooting for Kansas....until Penn takes the lead and the place is silent.
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penn nation
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03-13-18 03:16 PM - Post#252797
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Yeah, we have to pick our poison. Might as well have it be something we've spent a lot of time on this year doing well. And should hopefully eliminate the wrong end of the high variance part of the equation.
In terms of what happens, I think regardless of whether Azubuike plays, we will defend the 3 point line first. This could create an interesting dynamic, and an Antonio McDyess type game for someone. I think we’ll be trying to trade 3s for 2s as much as we can, essentially. Letting Kansas kill us one on one inside a bit may actually take them out of their strength.
The description of AJ’s athleticism by the Kansas folks is music to my ears. If only their team would view it that way.
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03-13-18 03:18 PM - Post#252800
In response to penn nation
Michigan will have fans in Wichita, and I'm sure they will be rooting for Penn.
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03-13-18 03:23 PM - Post#252801
In response to TheLine
I'm basing my prediction on the pro-Penn crowd on my one experience with March Madness. This was many years ago, but I went down to Cole Field House on the University of Maryland campus. I had no skin in the game, and my sense was that for 3 out of the 4 games most fans had no skin in the game. As it turned out this was the game where number 15 Richmond beat number 2 Syracuse (led by Billy Owens). I can tell you that down the stretch most everyone in the arena was screaming for Richmond and very few fans pulling for Syracuse...
Let's keep it close, and then make history at the end... Caleb didn't seem intimidated on Sunday. My hope is that he's not intimidated on Thursday.
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