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palestra38 
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03-16-18 02:40 PM - Post#253434    
    In response to Silver Maple

Except that Moxley had Allen, Maloney, Pierce and Bowman in front of him and only got the chance to play (with Bowman) his senior year. I don't know if I consider Rothschild a similar roadblock to playing time

 
Silver Maple 
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03-16-18 02:52 PM - Post#253436    
    In response to palestra38

Hey-- allow me to dream, OK?

But that's a pretty good nickname don't you think? Max "The Roadblock" Rothschild.

 
Chip Bayers 
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03-16-18 02:54 PM - Post#253437    
    In response to Silver Maple

If Wang can play any post D at all wouldn’t be surprised to see 4 out/1 in sets where he’s guarding a 4 or 5 on D and popping 3s as a very big wing on O.


 
penn nation 
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03-16-18 02:55 PM - Post#253438    
    In response to Silver Maple

Or Max "Fiddler" Rothschild.

Fun fact: In the Hebrew version of "If I Were A Rich Man", the song is titled "If I Were Rothschild" [Loo Hayeetee Rothscheeld]

 
palestra38 
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next year, the deepest of deep dives
03-16-18 03:10 PM - Post#253441    
    In response to penn nation

Wouldn't the natural language for "Fiddler" be Yiddish?

 
penn nation 
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Re: next year, the deepest of deep dives
03-16-18 03:13 PM - Post#253442    
    In response to palestra38

  • palestra38 Said:
Wouldn't the natural language for "Fiddler" be Yiddish?



Yes, but the play has been staged around the world, including in Israel. That's how it was adapted over there (also how we learned it when going to Jewish overnight camp).

It has also been done in Yiddish, too.


 
Silver Maple 
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03-16-18 03:25 PM - Post#253445    
    In response to penn nation

Once, when I was in Rotterdam on business, I saw it performed in Dutch.

 
TheLine 
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Re: next year, the deepest of deep dives
03-16-18 03:59 PM - Post#253449    
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  • SomeGuy Said:
To get in rotation:

Jackson Donahue: come back as Caleb Wood. Jackson actually shot the 3 well. Messed up his ORAT by being supernaturally bad at the line. Would like to see him take a step forward defensively like Wood did as a senior.



Beyond what you have:

Needs to demonstrate ability to keep composure for an entire game. Needs to be better with shot selection. Would be nice if he could grow a couple of inches taller or be faster.



 
T.P.F.K.A.D.W. 
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Re: next year, the deepest of deep dives
03-16-18 04:03 PM - Post#253450    
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  • TheLine Said:

Needs to demonstrate ability to keep composure for an entire game.



Yep. Up 20. Down 20. Caleb Wood could be 0 for 6 from the field and you'd never know by his body language or facial expressions.

Edited by T.P.F.K.A.D.W. on 03-16-18 04:04 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
weinhauers_ghost 
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03-16-18 04:54 PM - Post#253455    
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  • Silver Maple Said:
I'm hoping that the staff can coach Williams up over the summer-- they've shown the ability to do that, so if the kid's willing to do the work, there's a pretty good chance it will happen. If not, I consider it plausible (if a bit of a long shot) that Wang will be able to contribute next year. I don't expect that Mark Jackson will ever get off the bench, and will leave Penn as an extremely tall, well-educated fellow who played fewer minutes than Keith Widmer. If neither Simmons nor Wang is able to contribute next season, then I think we'll see a lot of three-and-out, which isn't necessarily a bad thing at all. The Steve has shown himself to be a resourceful guy, so I'm expecting he'll come up with something.

Of course, there's one other possibility here: the much-discussed Colin-McManus-comes-out-o f-nowhere-to-save-the-day storyline.



I really hope Foreman took Williams under his wing this past season. There's much a young point guard can learn from an upperclassman, even if the younger player is out injured. I was very impressed by the fact that the injured players stayed connected to the team.


 
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03-16-18 05:51 PM - Post#253462    
    In response to weinhauers_ghost

  • weinhauers_ghost Said:

I really hope Foreman took Williams under his wing this past season. There's much a young point guard can learn from an upperclassman, even if the younger player is out injured. I was very impressed by the fact that the injured players stayed connected to the team.



I can say with some confidence that Antonio likely has been, and will be a great mentor for Jelani.

 
Silver Maple 
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Re: next year, the deepest of deep dives
03-16-18 06:14 PM - Post#253465    
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  • TheLine Said:
Needs to be better with shot selection.





I get the impression that this may be THE determinative factor for playing (or not playing). The reason Jackson has played so little this season is probably that he's consistently hoisting up shots that he's not allowed to take.

 
SomeGuy 
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Re: next year, the deepest of deep dives
03-16-18 06:20 PM - Post#253467    
    In response to palestra38

Don’t fight the question (which was what each player needs to do to move into the rotation)!

In regard to who will play, with apologies to Jeff I think AJ, Betley, Woods, and Max are locks, and will play as many minutes as they can. There is room for a front court guy to develop, but I wouldn’t be shocked if, like this year, we end up playing small a lot. My guess is that Jackson will be between Caleb and Sam. We really need the shooting, so I think he plays 15-20 a night. What Williams brings is the question— if he is able to shoot outside, he could answer the question and give us a core 6 again (with Williams and Goodman replacing Foreman and Wood).

 
weinhauers_ghost 
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Re: next year, the deepest of deep dives
03-16-18 06:29 PM - Post#253468    
    In response to SomeGuy

The other thing to remember is that SD's offense is egalitarian enough that it doesn't rely on a classic ball-dominant point guard. Note how much of the time it runs through Max in the low post or at the high post looking for cutters or open shooters.

It will be interesting to see how the guys who were injured for most of this season find and accept their roles next year. I am also hoping Simmons can get beyond being foul-prone, and can play meaningful minutes.

 
Chip Bayers 
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03-16-18 06:30 PM - Post#253469    
    In response to SomeGuy

The younger guards will all have to have come down with stress fractures AND bubonic plague AND dengue fever if Donahue is playing 15-20 per night. Just can’t see it.


 
SomeGuy 
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03-16-18 09:04 PM - Post#253508    
    In response to Chip Bayers

Are there that many younger guards? I only count Betley, Goodman, and Williams. Jerome, but he seems like he undoubtedly is behind Donahue.

 
Chip Bayers 
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next year, the deepest of deep dives
03-16-18 11:38 PM - Post#253566    
    In response to SomeGuy

I would count Scott as a guard. Also can see plenty of lineups where (as you suggest) Betley plays at the 2, which in my mind pushes Donahue way down the depth chart. Hamilton is another candidate for the 2/3 minutes.


Edited by Chip Bayers on 03-16-18 11:39 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
TheLine 
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03-17-18 10:14 AM - Post#253591    
    In response to Chip Bayers

Betley's ball handling skills would need to take a significant leap. More likely the 1-2 positions will be manned by some combination of Woods, Williams, Goodman, Silpe and Donahue.

None of those guard are good FT shooters btw - they make Foreman look consistent by comparison.


 
weinhauers_ghost 
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03-17-18 11:03 AM - Post#253599    
    In response to TheLine

  • TheLine Said:
Betley's ball handling skills would need to take a significant leap. More likely the 1-2 positions will be manned by some combination of Woods, Williams, Goodman, Silpe and Donahue.

None of those guard are good FT shooters btw - they make Foreman look consistent by comparison.




We don't know what we have yet in Williams as a FT shooter.

 
TheLine 
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03-17-18 11:40 AM - Post#253602    
    In response to weinhauers_ghost

Based on the HS numbers I've seen he's in the mid-60s, which is good compared to his competition but still subpar.

While it's possible to improve FT% - Doc did - it's not that common.


 
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