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Username Post: Attendance for Abomination Finally Revealed        (Topic#21405)
mbaprof 
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Re: Attendance for Abomination Finally Revealed
03-28-18 07:43 PM - Post#254496    
    In response to dperry

Add 1500 if Princeton was playing, so would have been pretty full.
Sunday Noon game is tough, I know quite a few folks who had a great time Sat and watched finals on TV.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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04-02-18 01:24 PM - Post#254657    
    In response to mbaprof

I've been provided with some player feedback on the Tournament.

The players asked, who had participated this year and/or last year, expressed hope that the tournament not be held at the Palestra going forward. Reasoning they provided was that the tournament games were decidedly a home game for Penn.

From other discussions, some think holding game in Providence (Dunkin Donuts; Alumni Hall; Pizzitola Center) should be considered as an option.

 
palestra38 
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04-02-18 01:43 PM - Post#254660    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

The Dunk with 4000 people in it would be one depressing place. They need to find a location half that size and in all probability, in the NY Metro area. And it has to somehow emphasize the Ivy brand.

Everyone understands that the Palestra is a home court advantage for Penn. But by advocating the Dunk or something similar, you are ignoring the stated reason for the tournament, which is to provide the Ivies with a showcase.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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04-02-18 03:42 PM - Post#254665    
    In response to palestra38

I was just conveying a suggestion made by others.

 
PennFan10 
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04-02-18 07:45 PM - Post#254673    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

how many others?

 
westphillywarrior 
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04-02-18 09:36 PM - Post#254678    
    In response to PennFan10

Time to give it up.

It would be insane for the league, with so much at stake, to continue playing this thing on anyone's unearned home court.

 
bradley 
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04-02-18 11:06 PM - Post#254679    
    In response to westphillywarrior

The only hope for Quaker fans that the tounnament to stay at the Palestr is the incompetent Robin Harris but that is even going to happen. I agree that it is time to give up the ghost that the Tournament is going to stay at the Palestra. A lot of confusion as to the management of IvyMadness but not the least bit surprising.

 
PennFan10 
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04-03-18 12:32 AM - Post#254682    
    In response to bradley

While I think the ILT has a good chance of moving for next year, I don't think it's anywhere close to a done deal. I put it at 50/50 today. There are a lot of reasons to go and a lot of reasons to stay. It will be a healthy debate in May at the IL meetings.

 
Quakers03 
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04-03-18 12:53 AM - Post#254688    
    In response to PennFan10

If Penn hadn't been completely jobbed in New Haven and rightfully earned the 1 seed, would it have been more likely to stay?

 
palestra38 
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04-03-18 08:09 AM - Post#254689    
    In response to Quakers03

Again, the whole seeding process is ridiculous. Why should losing to a tougher team (leaving aside the manner in which Penn lost at Yale) put you below losing to a lesser team? Just is illogical. Of course, the old system (playoff at neutral site) still could be used to determine seeding, if that were determinative as to the location of the tournament.

 
mrjames 
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04-03-18 08:24 AM - Post#254692    
    In response to palestra38

To be fair, the entire NCAA selection process is centered around valuing good wins over bad losses. So, it actually seems pretty consistent to make the tiebreak value better wins over worse losses.

 
Go Green 
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04-03-18 09:00 AM - Post#254697    
    In response to westphillywarrior

  • westphillywarrior Said:


It would be insane for the league, with so much at stake, to continue playing this thing on anyone's unearned home court.



Fine. Go have it at a high school in the middle of the league's footprint and forbid fans from attending.

That would be as even a playing field as it gets. I mean "fairness" is the most important thing, right?

 
palestra38 
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04-03-18 09:35 AM - Post#254705    
    In response to mrjames

It's a pretty stupid tiebreak in either event. Should we judge it on Penn losing by 1 with some really bad calls or Harvard getting beaten solidly by Columbia?

The real issue, though is where the tournament should be played, and that will have nothing to do with which team is first seed. It's either in the Palestra, Jadwin or a neutral site. I still have not heard of a neutral site that really fits the bill--7000-10000 seats, relatively equidistant and not too expensive for the league.

 
Streamers 
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04-03-18 10:35 AM - Post#254709    
    In response to palestra38

We've beaten the idea of alternative sites to death ever since the idea of the ILT surfaced. The fact is there is no good answer. Personally, I'd prefer the idea of an on-campus non-urban venue like Rutgers or UConn, but I doubt those schools would agree to it without prohibitive compensation. Places like the Dunk and Webster would be pretty gloomy, why would anyone go unless their team was in it?- I suspect one year there and everyone would want to go back to the Palestra. Mohegan Sun might make sense as a destination but it would take some creative dealing to make that work.

Maybe we acknowledge this is really a TV show and ignore capacity. They could charge more for tickets and open up more possibilities. Of course, students would be crowded out, but we all know they don't care anyway.

 
mrjames 
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04-03-18 11:03 AM - Post#254712    
    In response to palestra38

I’d be careful with that argument - Harvard bested Penn pretty handily in game script (average lead) in Ivy play.

The tiebreaker is obviously going to be tough when two teams are so even. I mean, if you finish dead even in record and basically equal in efficiency margin... gonna be hard to point to much of true substance to break that tie.

 
palestra38 
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04-03-18 11:10 AM - Post#254714    
    In response to mrjames

Yes, and Harvard had 3 OT games--Penn 1. The likelihood of its losing another game was higher than Penn's despite game script. But the point is that we might as well flip a coin if all that is involved is the seeding. What has happened is that certain Harvard fans are complaining about the location of the tournament on the basis that it was "first seed." Of course, in the first 60 years of Ivy play, two teams that tie are both first place. There's an argument to be made that the tournament should not be held in an Ivy arena, but the fact that Harvard was first seed ain't one of them.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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Attendance for Abomination Finally Revealed
04-03-18 11:14 AM - Post#254716    
    In response to mrjames

If it's a TV event, but you want to keep the 4 team format, let the home team host the respective game(s). The NIT does it. All games will be sold out - except for games hosted by Penn and Princeton. The only fans that care and who would attend are those of teams participating, so there won't be much of a ticket shortage. It will look great on TV with intensity befitting the home (higher seeded) team.

By the way, notice how students at the NCAA championship are made to stand in a corner for the entire game? That area seats 60,000+ and they don't have room for students!

Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 04-03-18 11:15 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Streamers 
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04-03-18 11:26 AM - Post#254718    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

If I understand you correctly, the men's and women's first round games could end up at 4 different sites and there might be travel between rounds - How do you pack that into a weekend?



 
Old Bear 
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04-03-18 11:30 AM - Post#254719    
    In response to Streamers

Why do you have to "pack them into a weekend"?

 
palestra38 
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04-03-18 11:37 AM - Post#254720    
    In response to Old Bear

Princeton's exam schedule

 
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