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Username Post: Attendance for Abomination Finally Revealed        (Topic#21405)
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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04-03-18 11:26 PM - Post#254752    
    In response to palestra38

Friday and Sunday and/or Thursday and Saturday

 
PennFan10 
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04-04-18 12:02 AM - Post#254754    
    In response to palestra38

I like a 6 team tourney with the top 2 seeds getting a bye while the bottom 4 play at higher seeds on Thursday. Then do the 4 team ILT at a neutral site.

 
bradley 
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04-04-18 12:26 PM - Post#254771    
    In response to Streamers

Unless Penn was going to remain a non-relevant team, the Palestra site was going to become an issue. It really was not all that difficult to foresee this site as an issue. Did anyone ever think thru the potential issues during the thought process - I doubt it. If there are no other good solutions,was that considered in the decision making process - probably not. Sometimes, you wind up with a problem because you did not think — welcome to IvyMadness.

 
PennFan10 
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04-04-18 06:47 PM - Post#254802    
    In response to bradley

I seriously doubt the implications of using Penn’s home gym weren’t considered. I just think the pro’s strong outweigh(ed) the cons. There is nothing secret about what we are seeing now.

 
bradley 
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04-04-18 08:29 PM - Post#254805    
    In response to PennFan10

So using your logic, IvyMadness will remain at the Palestra because Robin and crew thought thru the possibilities back when. It will be interesting to hear your analysis if they move the tournament to another location if they thought thru the issues. Let's see.

 
PennFan10 
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04-06-18 10:51 PM - Post#254890    
    In response to bradley

I don’t know if it will remain at the Cathedral or not. I suspect the chances are better than most are thinking that it returns. The reality is there were few unknown variables when the decision was originally made. Most of those variables haven’t tipped the scale for or against using the Palestra so the decision this year is similar in many respects. The big variable that will affect the decision making is Penn’s relevance as a basketball program. If the Quakers hadn’t made the tourney either year the venue wouldn’t be up for review. With Penn’s emergence the conversation changes. But there are many more uncertainties away from the Palestra at this point and that’s where the debate begins in May in my view.



 
sparman 
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04-09-18 12:28 PM - Post#254961    
    In response to palestra38

  • palestra38 Said:
Princeton's exam schedule



Not that I approve the quest for standardization in all things, but that may not always be the case:

Change Exam Schedule?


 
palestra38 
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Attendance for Abomination Finally Revealed
04-09-18 12:48 PM - Post#254963    
    In response to sparman

The key point, which has ALWAYS been the case, is:

"The surveys found that students want to move finals before winter break to reduce stress. Eighty-one percent of undergraduates said that scheduling finals in January made them feel stressed over winter break, and 79 percent said it made them spend less time with family and friends over the break."

That's the reason every other school has moved finals to prior to vacation. Students absolutely hate the Princeton exam schedule, and it's remarkable how Princeton has held onto that schedule even though the Princeton undergraduate student experience is otherwise so positive. The old refrain that "We had to do it and ended up OK" is ridiculous.

And what's worse, it screws up the Ivy basketball schedule by requiring it to go 2 weeks longer than most other smaller mid major conferences. We actually could do a tournament that requires arrangement based on location of the schools playing if we had those two weeks. Well, I hope the change happens.

 
sparman 
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Re: Attendance for Abomination Finally Revealed
04-09-18 03:16 PM - Post#254971    
    In response to palestra38

  • palestra38 Said:
The key point, which has ALWAYS been the case, is:

"The surveys found that students want to move finals before winter break to reduce stress. Eighty-one percent of undergraduates said that scheduling finals in January made them feel stressed over winter break, and 79 percent said it made them spend less time with family and friends over the break."


Not my experience. I liked knowing there was a reading period after the holiday. My impression of friends elsewhere was that having exams before the holiday tended to create heavier stress over Thanksgiving break and left people drained when the holiday break rolled around. (BTW, the single wing was fun, too).

But the new generation ....

 
palestra38 
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Re: Attendance for Abomination Finally Revealed
04-09-18 03:24 PM - Post#254973    
    In response to sparman

The "veer" was a lot of fun too. Beep Beep (Belizeare).

But seriously, there never was enough time during Thanksgiving to forget everything. You go away during Christmas break of 2-3 weeks and then pick it up without staying on top of it, ugh.

 
bradley 
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Re: Attendance for Abomination Finally Revealed
04-09-18 08:09 PM - Post#254986    
    In response to sparman

Just not going to happen that Princeton will change their exam schedule to accommodate IvyMadness so that a 4th place team has the opportunity to go to the Big Dance and represent the IL. Some of this stuff is great to read.

 
sparman 
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Re: Attendance for Abomination Finally Revealed
04-09-18 08:15 PM - Post#254987    
    In response to bradley

Alas poor Dartmouth.

 
penn nation 
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Re: Attendance for Abomination Finally Revealed
04-09-18 08:57 PM - Post#254990    
    In response to sparman

  • sparman Said:
Alas poor Dartmouth.



I knew him well, Sparman.

 
rbg 
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Re: Attendance for Abomination Finally Revealed
04-11-18 08:31 AM - Post#255066    
    In response to palestra38

Do people think that the new deal with ESPN will give the network more say in where the conference tournament will be held? If so, will that increase the chances that it continue to be held at the Palestra?

 
westcoast 
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04-23-18 06:56 PM - Post#255683    
    In response to sparman

Looks like the Princeton faculty has approved the calendar change, moving first semester exams to December, starting in Fall 2020.

https://www.princeton.edu/news/2018/04/23/facul ty-...



 
SRP 
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04-23-18 08:19 PM - Post#255688    
    In response to westcoast

And the iron cage of institutional isomorphism scores a win. It's a shame, because reading period was pretty great.

 
Silver Maple 
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04-23-18 09:02 PM - Post#255691    
    In response to SRP

If you listen carefully, you can hear the sound of flying pigs having a snowball fight in hell.

 
SRP 
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04-23-18 09:36 PM - Post#255695    
    In response to Silver Maple

"The surveys found that students want to move finals before winter break to reduce stress. Eighty-one percent of undergraduates said that scheduling finals in January made them feel stressed over winter break, and 79 percent said it made them spend less time with family and friends over the break."

They say that like it's a bad thing.

https://paw.princeton.edu/article/change-calend ar

 
penn nation 
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04-23-18 11:36 PM - Post#255703    
    In response to Silver Maple

Does this raise the possibility of Penn and Princeton now being able to play two games against each other in close proximity, like the other travel partners do?

 
palestra38 
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04-24-18 08:39 AM - Post#255715    
    In response to penn nation

This is an absolute game changer---it allows the Ivy season to incorporate January and allows for an earlier tournament, which permits both an early higher seed home game or a neutral site tournament which doesn't go up against the majors. It should help seeding a bit since the NCAA doesn't have to pre-slot the Ivy team (I know they denied it but there is no way that Penn would have been a 16 unless pre-slotted there). It also won't go up against Ivy Spring Breaks anymore if moved up a week.

 
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