HARVARDDADGRAD
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04-03-18 11:26 PM - Post#254752
In response to palestra38
Friday and Sunday and/or Thursday and Saturday
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PennFan10
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04-04-18 12:02 AM - Post#254754
In response to palestra38
I like a 6 team tourney with the top 2 seeds getting a bye while the bottom 4 play at higher seeds on Thursday. Then do the 4 team ILT at a neutral site.
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bradley
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04-04-18 12:26 PM - Post#254771
In response to Streamers
Unless Penn was going to remain a non-relevant team, the Palestra site was going to become an issue. It really was not all that difficult to foresee this site as an issue. Did anyone ever think thru the potential issues during the thought process - I doubt it. If there are no other good solutions,was that considered in the decision making process - probably not. Sometimes, you wind up with a problem because you did not think — welcome to IvyMadness.
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PennFan10
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04-04-18 06:47 PM - Post#254802
In response to bradley
I seriously doubt the implications of using Penn’s home gym weren’t considered. I just think the pro’s strong outweigh(ed) the cons. There is nothing secret about what we are seeing now.
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bradley
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04-04-18 08:29 PM - Post#254805
In response to PennFan10
So using your logic, IvyMadness will remain at the Palestra because Robin and crew thought thru the possibilities back when. It will be interesting to hear your analysis if they move the tournament to another location if they thought thru the issues. Let's see.
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PennFan10
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04-06-18 10:51 PM - Post#254890
In response to bradley
I don’t know if it will remain at the Cathedral or not. I suspect the chances are better than most are thinking that it returns. The reality is there were few unknown variables when the decision was originally made. Most of those variables haven’t tipped the scale for or against using the Palestra so the decision this year is similar in many respects. The big variable that will affect the decision making is Penn’s relevance as a basketball program. If the Quakers hadn’t made the tourney either year the venue wouldn’t be up for review. With Penn’s emergence the conversation changes. But there are many more uncertainties away from the Palestra at this point and that’s where the debate begins in May in my view.
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sparman
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04-09-18 12:28 PM - Post#254961
In response to palestra38
Princeton's exam schedule
Not that I approve the quest for standardization in all things, but that may not always be the case:
Change Exam Schedule?
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palestra38
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Attendance for Abomination Finally Revealed 04-09-18 12:48 PM - Post#254963
In response to sparman
The key point, which has ALWAYS been the case, is:
"The surveys found that students want to move finals before winter break to reduce stress. Eighty-one percent of undergraduates said that scheduling finals in January made them feel stressed over winter break, and 79 percent said it made them spend less time with family and friends over the break."
That's the reason every other school has moved finals to prior to vacation. Students absolutely hate the Princeton exam schedule, and it's remarkable how Princeton has held onto that schedule even though the Princeton undergraduate student experience is otherwise so positive. The old refrain that "We had to do it and ended up OK" is ridiculous.
And what's worse, it screws up the Ivy basketball schedule by requiring it to go 2 weeks longer than most other smaller mid major conferences. We actually could do a tournament that requires arrangement based on location of the schools playing if we had those two weeks. Well, I hope the change happens.
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sparman
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Re: Attendance for Abomination Finally Revealed 04-09-18 03:16 PM - Post#254971
In response to palestra38
The key point, which has ALWAYS been the case, is:
"The surveys found that students want to move finals before winter break to reduce stress. Eighty-one percent of undergraduates said that scheduling finals in January made them feel stressed over winter break, and 79 percent said it made them spend less time with family and friends over the break."
Not my experience. I liked knowing there was a reading period after the holiday. My impression of friends elsewhere was that having exams before the holiday tended to create heavier stress over Thanksgiving break and left people drained when the holiday break rolled around. (BTW, the single wing was fun, too).
But the new generation ....
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palestra38
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Re: Attendance for Abomination Finally Revealed 04-09-18 03:24 PM - Post#254973
In response to sparman
The "veer" was a lot of fun too. Beep Beep (Belizeare).
But seriously, there never was enough time during Thanksgiving to forget everything. You go away during Christmas break of 2-3 weeks and then pick it up without staying on top of it, ugh.
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bradley
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Re: Attendance for Abomination Finally Revealed 04-09-18 08:09 PM - Post#254986
In response to sparman
Just not going to happen that Princeton will change their exam schedule to accommodate IvyMadness so that a 4th place team has the opportunity to go to the Big Dance and represent the IL. Some of this stuff is great to read.
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sparman
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Re: Attendance for Abomination Finally Revealed 04-09-18 08:15 PM - Post#254987
In response to bradley
Alas poor Dartmouth.
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penn nation
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Re: Attendance for Abomination Finally Revealed 04-09-18 08:57 PM - Post#254990
In response to sparman
Alas poor Dartmouth.
I knew him well, Sparman.
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rbg
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Re: Attendance for Abomination Finally Revealed 04-11-18 08:31 AM - Post#255066
In response to palestra38
Do people think that the new deal with ESPN will give the network more say in where the conference tournament will be held? If so, will that increase the chances that it continue to be held at the Palestra?
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westcoast
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04-23-18 06:56 PM - Post#255683
In response to sparman
Looks like the Princeton faculty has approved the calendar change, moving first semester exams to December, starting in Fall 2020.
https://www.princeton.edu/news/2018/04/23/facul ty-...
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SRP
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04-23-18 08:19 PM - Post#255688
In response to westcoast
And the iron cage of institutional isomorphism scores a win. It's a shame, because reading period was pretty great.
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Silver Maple
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04-23-18 09:02 PM - Post#255691
In response to SRP
If you listen carefully, you can hear the sound of flying pigs having a snowball fight in hell.
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SRP
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04-23-18 09:36 PM - Post#255695
In response to Silver Maple
"The surveys found that students want to move finals before winter break to reduce stress. Eighty-one percent of undergraduates said that scheduling finals in January made them feel stressed over winter break, and 79 percent said it made them spend less time with family and friends over the break."
They say that like it's a bad thing.
https://paw.princeton.edu/article/change-calend ar
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penn nation
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04-23-18 11:36 PM - Post#255703
In response to Silver Maple
Does this raise the possibility of Penn and Princeton now being able to play two games against each other in close proximity, like the other travel partners do?
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palestra38
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04-24-18 08:39 AM - Post#255715
In response to penn nation
This is an absolute game changer---it allows the Ivy season to incorporate January and allows for an earlier tournament, which permits both an early higher seed home game or a neutral site tournament which doesn't go up against the majors. It should help seeding a bit since the NCAA doesn't have to pre-slot the Ivy team (I know they denied it but there is no way that Penn would have been a 16 unless pre-slotted there). It also won't go up against Ivy Spring Breaks anymore if moved up a week.
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