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Username Post: 2019 Ivy Tournament at Yale?        (Topic#21570)
PennFan10 
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06-01-18 11:40 PM - Post#257618    
    In response to sparman

I am pretty sure Steve Donahue actually does like the ILT and didn't originally.

HarvardGrad: You think recruits care if its all inclusive or 4 teams? I think they care a little more than not at all that there is a tournament they can play in at the end of the season and it's on ESPN. Every player thinks they will take their team to the top and make the tournament. What is an added benefit to an Ivy program is the existence of a tournament. Now they get to feel and play like big time programs.



 
SRP 
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Reg: 02-04-06
06-02-18 03:41 PM - Post#257623    
    In response to PennFan10

There is huge peer pressure as well as AD pressure to promote the "brand" and the tournament. Unless one's AD were against the tournament and were also happy about controversy, there would be obvious reasons to bite one's tongue.

 
Chip Bayers 
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06-09-18 10:49 AM - Post#257755    
    In response to Streamers

  • Streamers Said:
I've got the solution! Award the ILT to the school at the bottom of the pre-season poll to minimize the chance of HCA.





Bottom of the women’s poll, or bottom of the men’s poll?


 
rbg 
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06-22-18 09:44 AM - Post#258143    
    In response to Chip Bayers

I posted a link to in-depth Crimson article on the renovation of Lavietes Pavilion at the Harvard board. I am placing it here, as well, since there is a part of the article that focuses on the Ivy Tournament.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/5/24/c18 -f...

- Another factor that may affect hopes at hosting larger competitions: seating capacity. The current renovated Lavietes Pavilion has downsized from around 2,050 to 1,636 seats in order to facilitate the inclusion of new amenities, such as cushioned seating in the upper rows. The renovated Lavietes Pavilion, with the smallest seating capacity in the Ivy League, now seats 464 fewer people than the next smallest Ancient Eight basketball facility, Dartmouth’s Leede Arena.

With the newly cemented Ivy League Tournament raising discussions about future host sites, the decision to downsize may significantly impact the odds of hosting this tournament on Harvard’s campus. The postseason tournament in its first two years of conception have been played inside the hallowed halls of the Palestra, which seats a maximum of 8,722 people. With the conference final between Harvard and Penn this past season filling around 5,500 seats, it would seem highly unlikely for Lavietes Pavilion to be able to fulfill attendance demand. This was one significant downside, according to Delaney-Smith, of the renovation proposal.

“The one consideration that was negative, was when talking about the Ivy Tournament, the capacity they want facilities to have in order to be a host school,” Delaney-Smith said. “I would say we fall short, and that is upsetting. I don’t know what [is] the right capacity we need to have.” -

It would be interesting to know if that quote from Coach Delaney-Smith came before or after the selection of Yale (2,800 seats) for next year's Tournament. If the league is sticking with conference sites and has gone to a much smaller venue for next year, it would be hard to think they will let a 1,600 seat arena stand in the way. If they did, then they would be avoiding 2 of the 8 schools (Harvard and Dartmouth). In leaving Harvard out of the mix, they would be giving up an event in the conference's third largest city and ticking off one of the most powerful/successful programs (for both men and women) in the league.

 
bradley 
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06-24-18 08:28 AM - Post#258188    
    In response to rbg

If Harvard performs at a very high level over the next two years and Amaker keeps the Crimson program at a very high level, it seems very hard to believe that Robin and crew would deny them home court advantage for a year but who knows what will be the criteria for IvyMadness site selection in the future.

 
PennFan10 
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06-24-18 08:11 PM - Post#258203    
    In response to bradley

14-0 didn’t matter so I am guessing whatever “very high level” is won’t matter either.

 
Quakers03 
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Re: 2019 Ivy Tournament at Yale?
06-28-18 11:44 AM - Post#258328    
    In response to TheLine

  • TheLine Said:
That said, I love Columbia basketball and when I post on the Columbia boards it's solely as a Columbia alum and as a defender of my fellow Columbia posters. And of the Columbia players, as Q03 can attest to even though he's one of my absolute favorite posters on the Penn board.



Right back at you, even if you were off-base on that one ;).

As for the overall topic, I was someone who wasn't in favor of a tournament at first because I didn't like some of the arguments being used to defend it (increased media exposure, etc) but as a Penn fan who experienced the year 1 comeback, it's hard not to agree that it's better for the league as a whole. I only have two issues at this point. The first issue is this idea that Harvard really got screwed this year. The fact that they even had "home court" advantage was a joke (for a number of reasons) and if you want to look at the difference in that game, look at the injury to the star player. I do wholeheartedly agree that playing consistently at the Palestra is unfair and something has to be done to better award a true number 1 seed.

My other major gripe, and one that has yet to be remedied, is playing on that final Sunday. I waited 10 years to see my team back in the tournament and then I get stuck watching them play as a 16-seed purely because our final ended too late to be taken into seeding scenarios?! 3 months later and it's still not ok.

 
palestra38 
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Re: 2019 Ivy Tournament at Yale?
06-28-18 08:23 PM - Post#258335    
    In response to Quakers03

Once Princeton enters the 20th (much less 21st) Century and has its exams before Winter Break in 2 years, we can move our tournament up a week.

 
PennFan10 
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06-29-18 10:05 AM - Post#258342    
    In response to palestra38

Not sure I agree Harvard got "screwed" in any way. Injuries happen. High volume players probably get injured more often.

3 coaches voted "Yes" to the Palestra remaining as host to ILT...SD, MM and Tommy. #facts



 
TheLine 
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06-29-18 10:21 AM - Post#258344    
    In response to PennFan10

Coaches have a say in this? I'm surprised.

Amaker is a stand-up guy. Voted consistent with his public stance. Lots to admire in that.


 
PennFan10 
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06-29-18 05:05 PM - Post#258353    
    In response to TheLine

That's who they asked first, then on to the AD's. Coaches were 5-3 to move it. Interestingly, they weren't given a vote as to where to move it, that was decided on by the AD's.

 
westphillywarrior 
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06-30-18 10:12 AM - Post#258360    
    In response to PennFan10

So SD voted for the Palestra. What a shocker.
The other shocker is you make it sound like the women didn't get a vote.


 
Tiger69 
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Reg: 11-23-04
Re: 2019 Ivy Tournament at Yale?
06-30-18 01:32 PM - Post#258362    
    In response to palestra38

If that's the case we should keep things as is -- ANYTHING to cripple the Tournament!

 
PennFan10 
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07-01-18 03:34 PM - Post#258384    
    In response to westphillywarrior

I merely reported what I know. I have no idea how the women coaches voted.

 
Jeff2sf 
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2019 Ivy Tournament at Yale?
07-02-18 11:17 AM - Post#258416    
    In response to PennFan10

it's not a surprise at all to me about Tommy. There was no need to toe a line. I'm sure there can be pressure about financial aid or even potentially academics (but hell didn't Sullivan complain? he wasn't fired for the complaining) to not speak out against the company line. Those are fundamental, core values.

But it's easy as pie to say you're not wild about a tournament being hosted at another team's venue every year in perpetuity. If Courtney Freaking Banghart can say it, then Tommy Amaker, the guy getting multi-million dollar offers to bolt, can say it too.



 
PennFan10 
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07-17-18 09:41 AM - Post#258984    
    In response to weinhauers_ghost

Ivy Hoops Online had an interview on Ivy Madness with assistand IL director Trevor Rutledge-Leverenz and received unsurprising lack of detail in the answers:

http://ivyhoopsonline.com/2018/07/16/talking-iv y-m...

 
palestra38 
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07-17-18 09:57 AM - Post#258987    
    In response to PennFan10

OMG. It's as if they are interviewing a politician on a Sunday morning news show. Not a single responsive answer.

You have to assume that they have no idea how to manage the tournament in such a small setting. The fact that it worked for a single men's Harvard-Princeton playoff game is, if anything, proof that it will be a disaster if we try and make it single entry for all the games as it was in Philadelphia. They will have to make it individual entry (which makes the entire concept a joke) or deny entry to at least half the fan base of each school that is willing to travel.

 
PennFan10 
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07-17-18 10:53 AM - Post#258998    
    In response to palestra38

yea, the notion of making it a more central location for fans to attend all the while limiting seating to 1/3rd of the historical attendance is comical.



 
Local Observer 
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07-17-18 11:56 AM - Post#259006    
    In response to PennFan10

"... the historical attendance" ? do you mean attendance in Philly when the home town team was contending?

 
PennFan10 
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07-17-18 12:12 PM - Post#259009    
    In response to Local Observer

I don't think there is any ambiguity about what "historical attendance" means with only 2 years of data in one location.

But your question was rhetorical I'm sure.

 
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