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Username Post: Article: Jerome Took Bribes at Penn        (Topic#21715)
Penn90 
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Penn90
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07-20-18 05:16 PM - Post#259222    

Per Bloomberg
Leges sine moribus vanae


 
Penndemonium 
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Reg: 11-29-04
07-21-18 06:48 AM - Post#259233    
    In response to Penn90

Wow. This is crazy. I hate to think it's true. I always thought of Allen as at least a role model.

I can't imagine this will go well for Allen. The alleged activity would have been a breach of his duties.

From an NCAA standpoint, I really don't know. It is a reverse recruiting scandal. The player's dad recruiting the coach. The player never played...

 
gopenngo 
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07-21-18 11:30 AM - Post#259238    
    In response to Penndemonium

Maybe we'll have to vacate some of those losses.

 
Go Green 
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07-21-18 12:26 PM - Post#259241    
    In response to gopenngo

  • gopenngo Said:
Maybe we'll have to vacate some of those losses.



Well played!

 
Local Observer 
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07-21-18 12:30 PM - Post#259242    
    In response to Go Green

Did he report the income on his federal tax return?

 
palestra38 
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07-23-18 09:05 AM - Post#259266    
    In response to Penndemonium

I think one of the ongoing false assumptions here was that Allen was a "role model" and a good guy. He was neither. Sure, he could be a father figure to those for whom he could get a return (his recruits, when not selling the slots), but to the student press, he was abusive and intimidating. As someone who was student press and had to interview Chuck Daly, he would tell you that you knew nothing about basketball (relatively true, of course), but sit with you and give a true interview, not one word answers filled with anger. Sure, Allen was losing, but a coach is supposed to be a professional and at least cordial to the student press. To me, that was a telescope into his character, as were the debacles with Cartwright and Bagtas. There is no denying the guy's competitiveness and talent as a player, but on many levels, he was the worst coach in modern Penn history, and given that we had two other failed coaching regimes, that is saying something. Let's just hope this does not lead to any NCAA punishment, because the program is now being run in the right way.

 
TheLine 
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07-23-18 09:37 AM - Post#259268    
    In response to palestra38

This is such an embarrassment.

It adds to the legacy of The Bronzed One (TM), another guy who was a competitor on the court but who had major failings as an administrator and didn't provide proper oversight.

Glad that Calhoun seems to be working out as a very solid hire.


 
T.P.F.K.A.D.W. 
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07-23-18 10:06 AM - Post#259269    
    In response to TheLine

Only in our conference does the money flow from dad to coach, and not the other way around.

 
Jeff2sf 
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Reg: 11-22-04
Article: Jerome Took Bribes at Penn
07-23-18 10:18 AM - Post#259271    
    In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.

debacle with cartwright?

i'm not challenging you that there was one but I can't remember and googling quickly didn't work.

Edited by Jeff2sf on 07-23-18 10:31 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Jeff2sf 
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07-23-18 10:20 AM - Post#259272    
    In response to Jeff2sf

Guys, he asked for his jersey number in terms of dollars of bribes! How can you not respect the hustle?

"including three separate wired payments of $15,000, $20,000 and $18,000 to Allen from Esformes."

 
palestra38 
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07-23-18 10:25 AM - Post#259273    
    In response to Jeff2sf

Nice get on the math!

 
palestra38 
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Article: Jerome Took Bribes at Penn
07-23-18 10:33 AM - Post#259274    
    In response to Jeff2sf

http://www.thedp.com/article/2012/12/penn- basketba...

Right after Miller's seniors that got Allen within a whisker of an Ivy championship graduated, the new "leader", Miles Cartwright, managed to get 5 players (including himself) suspended, allegedly related to partying. The 3 freshmen involved, Hicks, Nelson-Henry and Henry Brooks all can be said to have underachieved at Penn. Here's a story just post-suspension:

http://www.thedp.com/article/2012/12/penn- basketba...

And a later one calling it "substance abuse":

http://www.thedp.com/article/2014/03/phill ips-alle...

And one talking about failed drug tests:

http://www.thedp.com/article/2012/12/sourc es-penn-...



 
Jeff2sf 
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07-23-18 11:02 AM - Post#259276    
    In response to palestra38

oh right, that. Well yeah, not great but I seem to remember Dunphy had a game where a bunch of people got suspended. Kids will be kids in my opinion while I can see why you and others wouldn't like it.

Bagtas was in a whole other class in my opinion.

 
palestra38 
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07-23-18 11:09 AM - Post#259277    
    In response to Jeff2sf

Hey, I was a student too. And saw some really good teams up close. And those teams smoked their weed and played at a nationally competitive level. The problem here was not limited to having a good time. The problem was the lack of discipline on the court, which was believed to be related to the partying.

You have to look at the decline of these players over the course of the Allen relationship---we thought Cartwright would be an all-Ivy player. Thought Hicks would take his game to another level. Thought Brooks could play (OK, I did and probably not many others). But all these guys either treaded water or got worse.

 
Go Green 
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07-23-18 11:33 AM - Post#259279    
    In response to palestra38

  • palestra38 Said:
I think one of the ongoing false assumptions here was that Allen was a "role model" and a good guy. He was neither.



Asia just said on the Voy Board that "[t]o the outside world, Jerome appeared to be a deeply religious, family man."

 
palestra38 
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07-23-18 12:32 PM - Post#259287    
    In response to Go Green

I wasn't fully on the "outside" as the father of a DP sports reporter at that time. So I have my own opinions of the man from my own experiences. But taking bribes to help an applicant get into Penn (with about zero chance of playing) is pretty low on the ethical scale, don't you think?

 
Go Green 
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07-23-18 12:37 PM - Post#259288    
    In response to palestra38

  • palestra38 Said:
But taking bribes to help an applicant get into Penn (with about zero chance of playing) is pretty low on the ethical scale, don't you think?



Even setting aside the questions of legality.... yes I do think it's unethical behavior.

Check out this discussion.

https://www.quora.com/Is-it-legal-to-bribe- an-Ivy-...

 
rbg 
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07-23-18 01:26 PM - Post#259291    
    In response to Go Green

Per Mike Jensen, the school has announced it has hired outside counsel to investigate.

http://www.philly.com/philly/sports/college s/penn/...


- Penn’s athletic department said Monday it is launching an investigation into allegations of bribes to former Quakers basketball coach Jerome Allen, hiring outside legal counsel to handle the investigation.

“Penn Athletics is aware of the allegations regarding former head men’s basketball coach Jerome Allen, and we take these allegations seriously. The University has retained outside legal counsel to investigate the matter. We will have no further comment at this time,” the department said in a statement. -

 
Go Green 
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07-23-18 02:18 PM - Post#259302    
    In response to rbg

  • rbg Said:
Per Mike Jensen, the school has announced it has hired outside counsel to investigate.

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I presume that one of the things that counsel will investigate is whether Allen did this other times.

I don't suppose you guys can come up with other examples of Allen signing guys who didn't really seem to be of the usual caliber for a Penn basketball recruit?



 
Jeff2sf 
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07-23-18 02:30 PM - Post#259304    
    In response to Go Green

  • Go Green Said:

I don't suppose you guys can come up with other examples of Allen signing guys who didn't really seem to be of the usual caliber for a Penn basketball recruit?





Guys, the line to hit this softball forms to the right. Let's make sure it's done in an orderly fashion.


 
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