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Username Post: Article: Jerome Took Bribes at Penn        (Topic#21715)
palestra38 
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Re: Article: Jerome Took Bribes at Penn
10-12-18 11:29 AM - Post#262451    
    In response to PennFan10

I've been pretty vocal about Bilsky, too.

 
10Q 
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10-12-18 11:44 AM - Post#262465    
    In response to PennFan10

I can forgive the bribery. It's the terrible coaching that is unpardonable.

 
Silver Maple 
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10-12-18 11:45 AM - Post#262466    
    In response to PennFan10

It was also the ADs fault for hiring Jerome in the first place. It was a terrible decision. Hiring Miller, even though it worked out terribly, was at least a defensible decision. There was no good reason to think that Jerome Allen was qualified to be head coach, and the result wasn't a surprise. Even making him interim coach was a bad call.

 
Penndemonium 
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10-12-18 01:10 PM - Post#262474    
    In response to Silver Maple

I don't disagree with the point, although many on this board were much more positive and optimistic about Jerome at the time.

I was quite negative on it initially, but also eventually got caught up in the hope that a Penn hero could also turn out to be the positive coach and role model we all hoped he would be. I also received a PM on this board from a player who was personally lobbying for Jerome. The player was asking members of the board to write letters to the administration. The player said that any of the players would run through a brick wall for Jerome and that he was a great talent for recruiting and in-game strategy. That helped to mitigate my skepticism a bit.

It is easy to be critical of Jerome and Miller, but the truth is that being a head coach is just incredibly hard. All people have strengths and weaknesses, and the ability to create sustainable excellence depends up on a coach's executive skills. Those executive skills are only partially overlapping from those that make someone a great player or assistant. Great player management, assistant management, recruiting, scouting, player development, in-game coaching, PR, school administration management, etc. Assistants only need to be good at one or two of those things. Coaches need to be great at all of them or else recruit, empower, and retain people who fill in the gaps.

Miller was clearly a great coach at Brown. Perhaps he didn't assemble the right pieces at Penn. Jerome seemed to have great assistant potential but not much executive skill. At the Celtics, he can focus on the things he does well and there is plenty of other executive talent to handle everything else important to the team. In college, you have to do so much more yourself.

I know everyone is down on Jerome. I can't condone what he did. I hate how he hurt his reputation, Penn's reputation, and his legacy. That said, I don't suddenly think he's a bad person. Everyone snaps to judgment on these things, but even decent people can make some (really) bad decisions sometimes. The truly bad ones are the narcissists whose only regrets are about consequences.


  • Silver Maple Said:
It was also the ADs fault for hiring Jerome in the first place. It was a terrible decision. Hiring Miller, even though it worked out terribly, was at least a defensible decision. There was no good reason to think that Jerome Allen was qualified to be head coach, and the result wasn't a surprise. Even making him interim coach was a bad call.



 
penn nation 
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10-12-18 02:24 PM - Post#262487    
    In response to Penndemonium

Man, you really buried the lede.



  • Penndemonium Said:
I also received a PM on this board from a player who was personally lobbying for Jerome. The player was asking members of the board to write letters to the administration.




 
Charlie Fog 
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10-14-18 06:46 AM - Post#262529    
    In response to Silver Maple

  • Silver Maple Said:
It was also the ADs fault for hiring Jerome in the first place. It was a terrible decision. Hiring Miller, even though it worked out terribly, was at least a defensible decision. There was no good reason to think that Jerome Allen was qualified to be head coach, and the result wasn't a surprise. Even making him interim coach was a bad call.



Well said. Jerome is still a hero to the program


 
palestra38 
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10-14-18 07:39 PM - Post#262554    
    In response to Charlie Fog

No way.

 
10Q 
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10-15-18 08:55 AM - Post#262575    
    In response to palestra38

Agreed. His hero status is long gone.

 
Silver Maple 
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10-15-18 09:02 AM - Post#262580    
    In response to 10Q

I was kind of assuming that Charlie was being ironic with that statement. Perhaps I am mistaken.

 
Penn90 
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10-15-18 10:27 AM - Post#262593    
    In response to Silver Maple

I forgot that JA was elected to the Penn Athletics Hall of Fame.

Beyond any legal reprisals, I wonder how Penn will punish him from an optics perspective.
Leges sine moribus vanae


 
10Q 
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10-15-18 10:34 AM - Post#262594    
    In response to Penn90

Exhibit A: The Steve Wynne Wall of Fame.

 
weinhauers_ghost 
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Article: Jerome Took Bribes at Penn
10-15-18 12:19 PM - Post#262601    
    In response to Penn90

  • Penn90 Said:
I forgot that JA was elected to the Penn Athletics Hall of Fame.

Beyond any legal reprisals, I wonder how Penn will punish him from an optics perspective.

Exhibit A: The Steve Wynne Wall of Fame.






::bites tongue, stifles snide political remark::


Edited by weinhauers_ghost on 10-15-18 12:20 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
rbg 
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10-17-18 08:49 AM - Post#262778    
    In response to weinhauers_ghost

It doesn't seem that the Celtics have had any public statements about Allen since the initial comments from Ainge and Stevens praising Jerome for owning up to the charges brought against him.

There were some comments from Boston area papers stating Allen would probably get a two week suspension, but the team has not said anything.

For those watching last night's Sixers-Celtics game, was Jerome on the bench?

 
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