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07-24-18 05:16 PM - Post#259411
Time to start this thread. Here are a few items, in no particular order, that some may have missed.
1. Most will remember that Holy Cross suspended three players around the end of January: starting wing Karl Charles, reserve center Jack Stephens, and walk-on Will Powers. All three are now gone, with an NCAA and possibly criminal investigation proceeding. Rumors that I have heard from several HC alums but not confirmed are that their transgression involved betting activities with bookies.
The HC recruiting situation this spring/summer has been bizarre, with players only getting "opportunities to play", as opposed to scholarship offers. Not sure if the former means walk-on status with need-based aid or what. It seems like HC is not sure at this point as to whether they may have to forfeit scholarships.
2. Colgate has landed two transfers who may be starters down the road. First is a third-year 6-10 center from Northwestern, Rapolas Ivanauskas, who missed most of his first two years with two major shoulder surgeries. CU has petitioned the NCAA to let him play immediately - as opposed to sitting out a year as normally required for transfers - but I have no idea if they will permit it. Second is 6-0 CG Nelly Cummings, who was a rotation player as a freshman at Bowling Green. Was Pittsburgh Area POY two years ago and was recruited by the Bison.
3. Navy lost freshman 6-8 PF/C Tyler Riemersma to transfer. He averaged about 11 mpg as a key reserve.
4. Navy's Athletic Association, which has funded their sports program for many years in a very opulent manner, has hit a budget crisis which may necessitate some spending cuts. One cut is that Navy basketball will now have to make do with the same four-man coaching staff that has always been the max for non-Service Academy teams. Navy wil still no doubt have a larger budget for the various sports than any PL school except possibly Army.
5. Loyola lost four players to transfer, but the effect is minimal. One of them, Chancellor Barnard, was a solid player for three years - often starting -but sat out all last year due to a torn pec muscle. He would have helped them this year but is now a grad transfer at Binghamton. The other three who are gone are: wing Ian Langendoerfer, PR River Reed, and PG Nevell Provo. Two have now transferred to D2/D3 programs, and I doubt if many quality programs are beating down Reed's door.
6. Boston U adds 6-1 PG Alex Vilarino, who spend one semester as a recruited walk-on at Texas Tech. Coach Jones said he will be available to play from Day 1 this year - which I don't understand since at this point he has only been enrolled at Boston for one semester, not the two semesters normally required under NCAA rules. He will likely be of value to them as a backup PG.
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Re: Around the Patriot League 2018-19
07-30-18 10:03 AM - Post#259629
In response to Bison137
As bison137 knows, we have a rule on Crossports of not posting rumors about players. So, while he may have heard what he posted above from HC fans, nothing has been posted on our board and any information is hearsay. Nothing has been announced publicly by Holy Cross. It is unfortunate that he chose to post the rumors here.
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07-30-18 05:13 PM - Post#259708
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hvsader, I hope that the rumors are not true. A strong, competitive HC team is good for the PL as a whole.
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10-01-18 10:37 AM - Post#261738
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Looks like the HC Board is pretty psyched about a new recruit who recently committed, Ryan Wade (G):
https://twitter.com/rwade15/status/104616 006706892...
WorcesterGray wrote, "For the record, Ryan had a slew of mid-major offers - a handful from the MAC and Detroit last year, and six more this past summer, including Air Force, San Diego, Robert Morris, North Dakota, and Lehigh."
Wade is listed online as anywhere between 5'-9" (ESPN) and 6'-1" (Verbal Commits). That is a big range. I remember American having 2 very good, smaller guards about 10 years ago that took them to the Dance and put a scare in Nova. Just out of interest, who was the smallest guard to make the All-PL Team since 2000?
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10-01-18 07:06 PM - Post#261749
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The Big East needs good recruits! 😊
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10-19-18 10:34 AM - Post#263042
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https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/patriot-2019-p...
Here’s a league preview from a site if anyone is looking for some reading material.
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10-26-18 12:43 PM - Post#263560
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https://cbbcentral.com/2018/10/26/32x32-2018 -19-pa...
More league preview reading material.
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11-06-18 05:24 PM - Post#264413
In response to Bucknellbisonfan21
If you are interested in scouting some of the PL challengers, a few games are available on different networks tonight:
Colgate at NJIT 7 PM ESPN+ http://www.espn.com/watch/collections/133 01/colleg...
Marist at Army 7 PM PLN https://watchstadium.com/network/patriot-leagu e-ne...
Sacred Heart at Holy Cross 7 PM PLN https://watchstadium.com/live/150263/
Lehigh at Monmouth 8:30 PM ESPN3 http://www.espn.com/watch/player?bucketId =13301&am...
If you happen to be an ESPN+ subscriber, another game of interest is Penn vs George Mason at 7 PM.
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11-06-18 08:18 PM - Post#264461
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The big transfer from Northwestern, Ivanauskas, not only has been granted immediate eligibility for Colgate but has scored 12 points in the first 5 minutes. Based on his potential and the fact that he appears healthy, it makes Colgate a very serious contender. Ivanauskas is a good bet to make some level of All-PL if he stays healthy.
CU started a huge lineup, with 6-8 Will Raymond at SF
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11-06-18 08:26 PM - Post#264468
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Holy Cross fans masquerading as empty seats for their season opener. Maybe 500 people.
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11-06-18 08:46 PM - Post#264480
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HC is not surprisingly blowing out a really bad Sacred Heart team.
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11-09-18 07:27 PM - Post#265010
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There are several games on tonight that include PL teams. It should give us and idea of how good these teams are early in the season:
Lehigh vs. Miami (7pm ACC Network)
Monmouth vs. Colgate (7pm)
American vs. George Mason (7pm ESPN+)
Vermont vs. Boston U (7pm)
Maryland vs. Navy (8:30pm CBS Sports Network)
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11-09-18 07:51 PM - Post#265011
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Boston U vs Vermont should be a good one. Boston U played great, and used a lot of freshman, in a good road win against CAA preseason favorite Northeastern. Also interested to see how Colgate fares. They should be Monmouth by double digits, but their defense was not good in their first game.
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11-09-18 09:43 PM - Post#265035
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Boston U vs Vermont should be a good one. Boston U played great, and used a lot of freshman, in a good road win against CAA preseason favorite Northeastern. Also interested to see how Colgate fares. They should be Monmouth by double digits, but their defense was not good in their first game.
Good game at Boston. 68-68 at the under 4.
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11-09-18 09:58 PM - Post#265049
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American GMU to overtime
Vermont 76 BU 72
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11-09-18 10:15 PM - Post#265056
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Colgate pulled away to a 13-point win over Monmouth. The big transfer from Northwestern, Ivanauskas, had 22 points and 10 rebounds. Colgate is a very realistic championship contender with him in the lineup. CU, LU and Boston U have all started strong and look to be candidates for #1.
Ivanuskas' presence, plus the addition of a freshman wing (Tucker Richardson) who can play figures to significantly reduce the playing time of Mr. Flagrant Foul, Dana Batt.
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11-09-18 10:19 PM - Post#265058
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Colgate 87 Monmouth 74 (Monmouth 35-34 at half)
Miami 83 Lehigh 62
BU 78 Mason &5
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11-10-18 11:14 AM - Post#265112
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After the loss to American last night, Dave Paulsen is now 1-2 vs Patriot League teams at George Mason.
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11-10-18 09:06 PM - Post#265173
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Holy Cross up 6 at Michigan late in the first half.
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11-12-18 07:55 PM - Post#265338
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Not the Patriot League, but Vermont plays at Kansas tonight.
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11-18-18 05:29 PM - Post#266246
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Holy Cross beat Siena 57-45 in a game without any made free throws. The teams were a combined 0 for 3.
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11-24-18 06:31 PM - Post#266900
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Lehigh trailing Kansas State 37-35 at halftime. The PL will be tough this year.
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11-24-18 07:19 PM - Post#266910
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I agree. K State pulled away but that was a competitive contest.
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11-26-18 09:34 PM - Post#267168
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Best wins for PL teams thus far this year:
1. Boston U over #99 Northeastern
2. Bucknell over #130 Vermont
3. American over #160 GMU
4. Bucknell over #168 St. Bona
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11-26-18 11:48 PM - Post#267170
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Nice to see Bucknell’s two wins against good opponents. Wonder what are the worst losses by PL teams thus far? (Yes, I’m lazy...I admit.)
Edited by MrPhillie on 11-26-18 11:49 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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11-27-18 12:19 AM - Post#267179
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OK, here are the worst eight losses. All based on Pomeroy.
Boston U - #262 Drexel
Army - #318 Sacred Heart, #294 UMass Lowell
Lafayette - #308 St Francis (NY)
Loyola - #283 Towson, #270 Detroit
Navy - #329 Morgan State
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11-27-18 08:09 AM - Post#267184
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And the eighth is?
There are three kinds of accountants, those who can count and those who can't
There are 10 kinds of people...those who understand binary and those who don't
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11-27-18 08:18 AM - Post#267185
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😂😂😂
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12-01-18 08:10 PM - Post#267753
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Good day for the Patriot League at 6-1.
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketba ll/scoreb...
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12-05-18 06:13 PM - Post#268148
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About 25% into the season, the PL is starting to tighten up and looks to be competitive. As per kenpom.com:
140. Lehigh 5-2
141. Holy Cross 6-3
164. Colgate 6-3
178. American 5-2
181. Bucknell 4-3
185. Boston U 6-4
268. Army 4-6
307. Loyola MD 3-5
309. Lafayette 2-5
320. Navy 2-5
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12-05-18 07:36 PM - Post#268152
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It's hard to tell how good a team we have. The losses to Canisius and especially Fairfield are baffling. The schedule is much less tough than it appeared with St. Bona, Monmouth, & La Salle all struggling. The St. Mary's and Rhode Island games should tell whether this team is for real or not.
Holy Cross and American look much better than I expected. Bucknell and Boston look worse, at least on paper.
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12-05-18 07:41 PM - Post#268153
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We'll look alot better on paper after knocking off Ohio State next weekend ðŸ˜
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12-05-18 08:34 PM - Post#268157
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It's hard to tell how good a team we have. The losses to Canisius and especially Fairfield are baffling.
They were certainly winnable but I don' t think baffling, given that Sestina was out. Had he played, they easily beat Fairfield and would have had a good shot vs Canisius
One thing is that this team is not that experienced and many are in new roles. Toomer is stepping up as a scorer, which is great, and Sotos needs to find more consistency in terms of creating offense. The frosh hopefully will continue to develop and become bigger contributors and limit the mistakes. Last night the game was won with great shooting, despite a lot of turnovers, a ton of fouls (some bogus), and too many mental errors. They need to improve in these areas.
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12-05-18 09:31 PM - Post#268162
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About 25% into the season, the PL is starting to tighten up and looks to be competitive. As per kenpom.com:
140. Lehigh 5-2
141. Holy Cross 6-3
164. Colgate 6-3
178. American 5-2
181. Bucknell 4-3
185. Boston U 6-4
268. Army 4-6
307. Loyola MD 3-5
309. Lafayette 2-5
320. Navy 2-5
The PL in its history has never had more than four teams finish in the top 185. The only comparable year would be 2008 when American, Holy Cross, Lafayette, Colgate, and Navy all finished between 150 and 200 when there were only eight teams. The league overall ranked #21 that year, compared to a current ranking of #20.
There is only year ever when the PL was ranked higher than the current #20, that being 2013 when it ended up 17th thanks to a very strong Bison squad and a good Lehigh one.
Putting the current ranking of #20 into perspective, I think there are 11 high-major conferences - ending with the MVC and the WCC. That leaves 21 mid-major and low-major leagues - with the PL 9th of those 21, right behind the CAA, WAC, Sun Belt and Summit, and just ahead of the Big West, Big Sky, Horizon, and MAAC. PL is way ahead of America East and the NEC.
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12-05-18 11:54 PM - Post#268178
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Other PL games tonight:
- Navy with a nice 15-point win at Delaware, who was having a pretty good season before tonight. Mids had 10 fewer turnovers and got an amazing 53% of available offensive rebounds. (The norm is 28.6%.)
- Lehigh lost to a good Yale team 97-87. Deciding factor was Yale's 43-28 edge in rebounding. LU's two-headed monster at center, 6-9 Karnik and 6-10 Lynch - combined for three rebounds.
- Colgate edged Columbia by two points. Colgate had a 13 point lead with 10 minutes left, then fell behind before rallying to win.
- Loyola led Drexel at the half, but gave up a 17-5 run to start the second half and lost. Andrew Kostecka, who is leading the league in scoring, had 31 points. He originally committed to HC but backed out when Milan Brown was fired. Loyola only had five turnovers, but Drexel had a lot more FT's.
- And finally, LC blown out at UConn.
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12-06-18 06:35 AM - Post#268186
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Navy 17 offensive rebounds in the first half, but only 15 second chance points. Mids shot it much better in the second half and every time Delaware and their great freshmen Horton out of Roselle Catholic, via St. Anthony's, made a run, Navy had an answer. Lots of Freshmen and Soph's contributing for Navy.. Good signs...
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12-06-18 12:39 PM - Post#268204
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Took a year to get administrative help to finally get back on the board!!!
NavyVoice, welcome back! Post often.
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12-06-18 05:22 PM - Post#268219
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Welcome back NavyVoice nee Voice of Navy Sports.
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12-06-18 06:58 PM - Post#268224
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Bonnies and VM helping us ascend the kenpom ladder even while idle. Up to 178 today.
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12-07-18 09:14 AM - Post#268251
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Bonnies and VM helping us ascend the kenpom ladder even while idle. Up to 178 today.
And HC has moved up to first in the PL with a ranking of #141. That's gotta make the HC Faithful happy! (Other than a select few who will start complaining that they are not ranked in the top 100, not scheduling better opponents, not in the BE, can't time warp back to the 1950s, etc.)
Personally, I think that it is good to see HC playing well. Strong teams at HC, Lehigh, and Bucknell make for a fun PL.
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12-13-18 04:40 PM - Post#269059
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Holy Cross AD Nathan Pine reportedly taking AD job at Air Force. Isn't that a step up, and hasn't Holy Cross been generally subpar in the Patriot League?
https://twitter.com/jentandg/status/10733 111303811...
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12-13-18 04:59 PM - Post#269060
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BRW, I would consider that a big step up. Air Force has to have a MUCH larger athletic budget. I wonder if Nathan Pine has a military background. As you know well, the military loves to hire their own.
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12-13-18 05:02 PM - Post#269062
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I answered by own question. As per Wikipedia, "Pine spent four years at the United States Military Academy from 2005-2008, where he managed all business initiatives for Army and oversight of the external operations areas for athletics."
While not being in the military, Pine has worked for the military in the past. As such, he probably knows the military way of doing things.
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12-14-18 12:05 PM - Post#269104
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About 25% into the season, the PL is starting to tighten up and looks to be competitive. As per kenpom.com:
140. Lehigh 5-2
141. Holy Cross 6-3
164. Colgate 6-3
178. American 5-2
181. Bucknell 4-3
185. Boston U 6-4
268. Army 4-6
307. Loyola MD 3-5
309. Lafayette 2-5
320. Navy 2-5
Not much movement in the Kenpom.com rankings for the PL teams since the last time that I posted them:
146. Lehigh 6-3 (down 6)
152. Holy Cross 6-4 (down 11)
159. Colgate 4-4 (up 5)
181. Bucknell 4-3 (no change)
182. American 5-3 (down 4)
190. Boston U 6-5 (down 5)
267. Army 5-7 (up 1)
291. Loyola MD 4-7 (up 16)
312. Navy 3-6 (up 8)
316. Lafayette 2-7 (down 7)
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12-17-18 12:25 PM - Post#269260
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Pomeroy's current projections for PL records:
Lehigh 12-6
Holy Cross 11-7
Colgate 11-7
Bucknell 11-7
Boston U 10-8
American 10-8
Army 7-11
Loyola 7-11
Navy 6-10
Lafayette 5-13
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12-17-18 01:22 PM - Post#269265
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That's an overall 90-88. I sure hope there's some rounding error in there.
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12-17-18 01:25 PM - Post#269266
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Perhaps Navy is 6-12?
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12-17-18 02:10 PM - Post#269276
In response to res
That's an overall 90-88. I sure hope there's some rounding error in there.
Edit: Now that I look closer, Navy, as you suggested, should be 6-12.
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12-17-18 03:20 PM - Post#269291
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Here are Pomeroy's probabilities of a Bison win in each PL game:
Wed Jan 2 Away . Army 58%
Sat Jan 5 Away . Boston University 42%
Wed Jan 9 Home . Colgate 59%
Sat Jan 12 Home . American 66%
Mon Jan 14 Home . Holy Cross 59%
Sat Jan 19 Away . Lehigh 32%
Wed Jan 23 Home . Loyola MD 82%
Sat Jan 26 Away . American 42%
Wed Jan 30 Home . Navy 86%
Sat Feb 2 Away . Lafayette 69%
Wed Feb 6 Away . Loyola MD 62%
Sat Feb 9 Home . Boston University 67%
Mon Feb 11 Home . Lehigh 57%
Sat Feb 16 Away . Holy Cross 34%
Tue Feb 19 Away . Colgate 34%
Sun Feb 24 Home . Lafayette 87%
Wed Feb 27 Away . Navy 66%
Sat Mar 2 Home . Army 80%
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12-17-18 08:24 PM - Post#269322
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Up to #227 in the new NET rankings. Colgate is tops in the PL at #137 followed closely by HC at #139.
https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-m en/d1/nc...
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12-19-18 05:23 PM - Post#269484
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American lost to 1-9 Mt St Mary's last night at home. That's going to drop their ranking quite a bit.
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12-19-18 05:56 PM - Post#269485
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American was missing the starting center Mark Gasparini, who had strep throat, but that’s no excuse to lose to a team that had exactly 0 wins this year against D1 competition.
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12-24-18 01:14 PM - Post#270035
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As we approach the PL portion of the schedule, here is how each PL team ranks in terms of the strength of its OOC schedule:
72 . Bucknell
188 . Holy Cross
193 . Navy
200 . Colgate
235 . Lehigh
276 . Loyola
287 . Lafayette
291 . Army
301 . Boston U
349 . American
Not unexpectedly, Bucknell's SOS is very good. American, otoh, is in the nation's bottom three. Last year, the Bison SOS was #31, which I believe is the strongest it has ever been, and in 2005-06 they ranked #32.
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12-24-18 03:26 PM - Post#270048
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I have really enjoyed this year's OOC schedule. I feel that it has been a good mix of high ranking Power Conference and quality mid-major teams. Other than a couple of disappointing games, the Bison have played surprisingly well. They will be ready for the PL season.
GO Bison!
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12-27-18 02:30 PM - Post#270189
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Does Lehigh have a new board? The one that I have visited for years has a server error message:
http://www.lehighsportsforum.com/forums/forum/lehi...
Internal Server Error
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12-27-18 02:50 PM - Post#270190
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Try this link:
https://www.lehighsportsforum.com/viewforum.php?f=...
Very little activity except for discussion about their football coaching situation.
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12-27-18 03:13 PM - Post#270192
In response to Bison137
137, thank you.
With the PL regular season about to start, the PL teams have a combined record of 57-58 as per patriotleague.org and 6 teams at 0.500 or better. I was wondering: 1. Has the PL ever had an overall winning OOC record, and 2. Have 6 or more teams ever had 0.500 or better records?
http://www.patriotleague.org/standings.aspx?path=m...
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12-27-18 05:05 PM - Post#270196
In response to Bison89
137, thank you.
With the PL regular season about to start, the PL teams have a combined record of 57-58 as per patriotleague.org and 6 teams at 0.500 or better. I was wondering: 1. Has the PL ever had an overall winning OOC record, and 2. Have 6 or more teams ever had 0.500 or better records?
http://www.patriotleague.org/standings.aspx?path=m...
I think the high point in terms of wins and losses came in 2007-08 when the league finished five games over .500 (six if you don't count the NCAA tournament). The champ that year was American and, believe it or not, the worst record (12-19) belonged to Bucknell. The key was that there were no horrible records that year. To make it more impressive, that was the year the PL temporarily banned teams from D2/D3 games.
The previous year, the league finished at exactly .500 - one game above if you ignore the NCAA's. But that record is not as impressive because Lafayette, Lehigh, Army, and Navy all played multiple D2/D3 games.
In no year have six PL teams had .500+ records. And when the league had only eight teams, I am pretty sure that there was no year with five teams at .500+. One thing to keep in mind is that the OOC schedules in the last decade are generally a bit stronger than they were prior to that.
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12-27-18 07:16 PM - Post#270200
In response to Bison137
137, thank you! If you aren't a sports reporter or an AD, you should be.
So, it sounds like the PL is having a pretty good season so far. Its gonna be a battle.
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12-27-18 09:50 PM - Post#270214
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If you read the HC Crossports blog, few alumni appear to believe he is doing a positive job. Particularly regarding the biggest sports, football and basketball, few positive comments.
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12-28-18 11:50 AM - Post#270249
In response to Bison89
137, thank you.
With the PL regular season about to start, the PL teams have a combined record of 57-58 as per patriotleague.org and 6 teams at 0.500 or better. I was wondering: 1. Has the PL ever had an overall winning OOC record, and 2. Have 6 or more teams ever had 0.500 or better records?
http://www.patriotleague.org/standings.aspx?path=m...
Six PL teams still have one OOC game to play including some very tough ones.
12/28
Loyola @ NC State
12/29
Colgate @ Pitt
AU @ GW
12/30
Lehigh @ WVU
HC @ Iona
Navy @ Cornell
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12-29-18 01:29 PM - Post#270292
In response to jkrun80
Over at The Athletic*, KenPom provides his computer's most probable regular season conference champs.
Here's his output for the Patriot League, which he ranks as the sixth most-up-for-grabs conference out of 32:
Lehigh: 40%
Bucknell: 30%
Colgate: 28%
Holy Cross: 22%
He notes that last year, his system's top picks were correct in 15 of the 32 races: "After all, we're not predicting with absolute certainty, but assigning probabilities. There's a limit to what we can predict at the end of December."
*The Athletic is a subscription site, but boy is it nice to have no ads at all and no auto-play videos.
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Re: Around the Patriot League 2018-19
12-29-18 04:08 PM - Post#270340
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
120% chance that one of those four will win it?
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Re: Around the Patriot League 2018-19
12-29-18 04:12 PM - Post#270344
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
I do enjoy The Athletic. And it really is quite a reasonable cost.
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Re: Around the Patriot League 2018-19
12-29-18 04:16 PM - Post#270347
In response to atlantabison
Win or share it.
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Bison137
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Re: Around the Patriot League 2018-19
12-29-18 04:18 PM - Post#270350
In response to atlantabison
120% chance that one of those four will win it?
Just as a guess, maybe he includes the chance of a team being a co-champ. In those cases, two or more teams could each be champion, which would create an overall probability of well over 100%.
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12-30-18 12:30 PM - Post#270468
In response to Bison137
As we approach the PL portion of the schedule, here is how each PL team ranks in terms of the strength of its OOC schedule:
72 . Bucknell
188 . Holy Cross
193 . Navy
200 . Colgate
235 . Lehigh
276 . Loyola
287 . Lafayette
291 . Army
301 . Boston U
349 . American
Not unexpectedly, Bucknell's SOS is very good. American, otoh, is in the nation's bottom three. Last year, the Bison SOS was #31, which I believe is the strongest it has ever been, and in 2005-06 they ranked #32.
This site ranks Bucknell's OOC SOS at #62. It is interesting to see some power conference schools in the 100's.
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/ranki ...
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12-30-18 03:13 PM - Post#270475
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Lehigh at West Virginia webcast (2 ET tip Sunday)
https://wvusports.com/watch/?Live=2453& type=Li...
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12-30-18 05:12 PM - Post#270488
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
WVU pulls away late to win by 10, 78-68.
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12-30-18 05:40 PM - Post#270492
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Good result by Lehigh - but not as good as it might sound. This is not the WVU team of 2016-17 that the Bison took to the wire in the NCAA. That team was ranked #6 nationally (Pomeroy). And it's not the 2017-18 WVU team that ended up ranked #12. This year's WVU team is ranked #50 and lost to URI by 13 points a week before the Bison beat URI. WVU was a 12-point favorite over LU.
Lehigh has been a poor rebounding team all year, and today it cost them. They were outrebounded by WVU 52-25. LU got only 50% of defensive rebounds and only 9% of offensive boards. Otoh, LU entered the game leading the nation in 3-point shooting, and they shot 43% today. When they hit close to 45% on threes, they are very tough.
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12-30-18 05:55 PM - Post#270493
In response to Bison137
With all of the OOC games now complete, here is how the PL OOC schedules ranked (Pomeroy):
77 Bucknell
160 Colgate
176 Lehigh
184 Holy Cross
188 Navy
203 Loyola
280 Army
287 Lafayette
309 Boston
347 American
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12-30-18 10:18 PM - Post#270530
In response to Bison137
Pomeroy's current projections for PL records:
Lehigh 12-6
Holy Cross 11-7
Colgate 11-7
Bucknell 11-7
Boston U 10-8
American 10-8
Army 7-11
Loyola 7-11
Navy 6-12
Lafayette 5-13
Updated W-L projections for PL games from Pomeroy (carried out to one decimal):
Lehigh 12.2 wins
Bucknell 11.7 wins
Colgate 11.5
Holy Cross 11.5
American 9.7
Boston 9.2
Army 7.1
Loyola 6.4
Navy 5.4
Lafayette 5.4 wins
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01-01-19 07:56 PM - Post#270777
In response to Bison137
Hopefully trends mean something. Here are the Pomeroy rankings for each team at the start of December, followed by the ranking at the end of the month. The Bison moved up 66 spots, far better than any other team:
Bucknell 218 to 152; +66 (improvement)
Colgate 182 to 155; +27
Loyola 310 to 293 +17
Holy Cross 156 to 153 ; +3
Navy 317 to 316; +1
Lehigh 141 to 141; unchanged
Army 271 to 276; -5
Lafayette 307 to 315; -8
Boston 205 to 215; -10
American 184 to 205; -21
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01-03-19 12:19 AM - Post#270941
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In other PL games tonight:
- Lehigh nipped Lafayette in Stabler, aided by several questionable calls in the final minutes. Andree had 23 points, and LU played half the game with no center in the lineup.
- American won at home over Boston U by 12 points behind 30 points by Sa'ed Nelson. Both teams shot poorly from behind the arc, but burned it up on twos. Boston hit 25-39 (64%), but was outdone by AU's 28-37 (76%).
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01-03-19 09:36 PM - Post#271038
In response to Bison137
Navy up 5 on Colgate with 3 minutes to play.
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01-03-19 09:45 PM - Post#271039
In response to jkrun80
Navy up 5 on Colgate with 3 minutes to play.
Navy won by 6 (72-66). Crazy PL this year!
http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketba ll/game?g...
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01-03-19 09:45 PM - Post#271040
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Navy up 5 on Colgate with 3 minutes to play.
Navy wins 72-66.
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01-06-19 03:52 PM - Post#271542
In response to jkrun80
Navy hit buzzer beater two to top HC 50-48, in a game that while close throughout, was frankly like watching paint dry. So Navy is 2-0, having beaten two “contenders.†Who’da thunk?â€
Edited by bison63 on 01-06-19 03:55 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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01-06-19 05:35 PM - Post#271551
In response to bison63
Home teams are 8-2 thus far.
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01-06-19 07:18 PM - Post#271562
In response to Bucknellbisonfan21
American led most of the way at Colgate, but Colgate came back in the last minute to win.
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01-06-19 07:57 PM - Post#271570
In response to jkrun80
Current standings:
Lehigh . 2-0
Navy . . 2-0
Holy Cross 1-1
Colgate . 1-1
American 1-1
Boston U 1-1
Bucknell 1-1
Army WP 1-1
Loyola MD 0-2
Lafayette 0-2
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1. The two undefeated teams (Lehigh and Navy) both played both games at home, as did Army.
2. Lehigh played the two bottom-feeders. Navy, otoh, upset two contenders.
3. Even after their two upset home wins, Navy is still ranked as the second weakest PL team by various models.
4. Three teams have played both games on the road: Bucknell, Holy Cross, and Lafayette. HC played two of the league's three lowest-rated teams.
5. If nothing else, the Bison have now completed their worst bus ride, plus their fourth worst.
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01-06-19 08:52 PM - Post#271574
In response to Bison137
Unfortunately, we still have mid-week road trips to Loyola, Colgate, and Navy in February after classes start. At least we get three straight home games now, though none are going to be easy.
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01-06-19 09:11 PM - Post#271578
In response to jkrun80
Those games vs ‘gate, AU, and HC are games we cannot afford to lose at home. Big winner of the opening week was Navy. Anybody going into Annapolis thinking it will be easy pickings is going to lose. Always a tough place to play.
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01-07-19 09:54 AM - Post#271602
In response to bison63
In the "glass half full" department, here is a complete list of road wins in the PL thus far:
- Bucknell (over Army)
- Holy Cross (over Loyola)
Even in leagues like the PL, it is tough to win on the road, especially this year when the league has more balance. Home teams are 8-2 thus far.
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01-12-19 06:48 PM - Post#272339
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Colgate beats Lehigh 91-78
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01-12-19 07:25 PM - Post#272342
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Bucknell and Lehigh tied for 1st at 3-1. Six teams at 2-2.
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01-12-19 10:01 PM - Post#272392
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So here’s the thing. We are 3-1. BUT, we are two one point wins away from 1-3. Our 3 league wins are by a total of 5 points. I was not a believer in American, but I am becoming one. Their losses on the road to Colgate and us actually impress me more than their wins.
How do you feel about going into Bender after beating AU by 1 in Sojka? In a game that we essentially trailed throughout until the last few minutes, a game in which we could not make a 3 for most of the first 35 minutes, missed at least two slam dunks, missed too damn many free throws, two of which were front ends of 1 & 1’s with under :30 while leading by 1. Can you do that and deserve to win?
Yet in the last 5 minutes our star 5 man hits two threes and our defense refuses to allow Nelson to take control down the stretch, in fact shutting him out over the last 8 or so minutes. Good teams do not keep getting into those situations, but bad teams don’t get out of them. I can’t figure out which we are right now.
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01-12-19 10:28 PM - Post#272402
In response to bison63
So here’s the thing. We are 3-1. BUT, we are two one point wins away from 1-3. Our 3 league wins are by a total of 5 points. I was not a believer in American, but I am becoming one. Their losses on the road to Colgate and us actually impress me more than their wins.
How do you feel about going into Bender after beating AU by 1 in Sojka? In a game that we essentially trailed throughout until the last few minutes, a game in which we could not make a 3 for most of the first 35 minutes, missed at least two slam dunks, missed too damn many free throws, two of which were front ends of 1 & 1’s with under :30 while leading by 1. Can you do that and deserve to win?
Yet in the last 5 minutes our star 5 man hits two threes and our defense refuses to allow Nelson to take control down the stretch, in fact shutting him out over the last 8 or so minutes. Good teams do not keep getting into those situations, but bad teams don’t get out of them. I can’t figure out which we are right now.
I'm looking at a glass half full. Though the Bison were playing catch-up for most of the game, they played a much better first half defense than we've seen in league play so far. Yes, 3 point shooting was terrible but the Bison were 2 or 3 made 3s (still below their average) from a) leading at half-time and/or b) putting the end game far more out of reach.
I feel very good about the future when they go back on the road. But 1 game at a time: Monday's a statement game. Can they contain Floyd and/or neutralize his backdoors? BostonU killed the Bison with a similar schema last time. I'm eager to see what the fellas have learned (especially Moore, who's more-and-more coming into his own).
Go Bison!
Edited by Bison1999 on 01-12-19 10:29 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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01-13-19 01:13 AM - Post#272414
In response to Bison1999
We are finding ways to win. Let’s consider the glass half full. Think about the talent we lost last year and a slew of younger but very talented players trying to get their bearings. I’ll take 3-1 for sure.
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NavyVoice
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01-14-19 09:21 AM - Post#272515
In response to raymondbucknell
It is as competitive as Ive seen the league in a while...
Monday road teams tend to be behind the eight-ball in these Monday games...
The other plus, you usually get upgrade in Zebras for these Monday games...
Army and Navy are both back in class now.. titles things in favor of other clubs just sleeping and practicing now..
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01-14-19 10:41 AM - Post#272532
In response to NavyVoice
Army and Navy are both back in class now.. titles things in favor of other clubs just sleeping and practicing now..
FWIW Bucknell players are also back in class.
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01-14-19 11:43 AM - Post#272541
In response to Bison137
Army and Navy are both back in class now.. titles things in favor of other clubs just sleeping and practicing now..
FWIW Bucknell players are also back in class.
Did you mean "Titles and other things are in favor of other clubs" or Titles swing in favor of other clubs"? I guess you are trying to say clubs other than the military academies have an advantage when it comes to patriot league titles because the military academies are up at the crack of dawn doing their stuff when the students from other schools are sleeping in and have no other responsibilities and just go to practice well rested? I'm not buying it.
Army had a 24 point lead on Bucknell at halftime and couldn't muster up a plan to hold them off second half and take the game. Thats great if you are a Bucknell fan but slightly disconcerting if one is scrutinizing the way West Point is going to choose how to hold the lead and stave Bucknell off. They did neither.
I think the Military Academies have a lot on their plate right now with the state off affairs and really a government shutdown. I for one appreciate them and the universities all have your back with strong ROTC programs and the country has your back too in these tough times.
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01-14-19 12:22 PM - Post#272545
In response to Paulie777
Army and Navy are both back in class now.. titles things in favor of other clubs just sleeping and practicing now..
FWIW Bucknell players are also back in class.
Did you mean "Titles and other things are in favor of other clubs" or Titles swing in favor of other clubs"? I guess you are trying to say clubs other than the military academies have an advantage when it comes to patriot league titles because the military academies are up at the crack of dawn doing their stuff when the students from other schools are sleeping in and have no other responsibilities and just go to practice well rested? I'm not buying it.
Army had a 24 point lead on Bucknell at halftime and couldn't muster up a plan to hold them off second half and take the game. Thats great if you are a Bucknell fan but slightly disconcerting if one is scrutinizing the way West Point is going to choose how to hold the lead and stave Bucknell off. They did neither.
I think the Military Academies have a lot on their plate right now with the state off affairs and really a government shutdown. I for one appreciate them and the universities all have your back with strong ROTC programs and the country has your back too in these tough times.
More likely a simple typo of "tilts" with a bad auto correct.
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01-14-19 01:38 PM - Post#272556
In response to atlantabison
Army and Navy are both back in class now.. titles things in favor of other clubs just sleeping and practicing now..
FWIW Bucknell players are also back in class.
Did you mean "Titles and other things are in favor of other clubs" or Titles swing in favor of other clubs"? I guess you are trying to say clubs other than the military academies have an advantage when it comes to patriot league titles because the military academies are up at the crack of dawn doing their stuff when the students from other schools are sleeping in and have no other responsibilities and just go to practice well rested? I'm not buying it.
Army had a 24 point lead on Bucknell at halftime and couldn't muster up a plan to hold them off second half and take the game. Thats great if you are a Bucknell fan but slightly disconcerting if one is scrutinizing the way West Point is going to choose how to hold the lead and stave Bucknell off. They did neither.
I think the Military Academies have a lot on their plate right now with the state off affairs and really a government shutdown. I for one appreciate them and the universities all have your back with strong ROTC programs and the country has your back too in these tough times.
More likely a simple typo of "tilts" with a bad auto correct.
Oh yeah, tilts. I see it now.
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01-15-19 09:19 AM - Post#272640
In response to Paulie777
HAHAH Yes TILTS!!!
Monday road team goes down again...
I know some schools dont go back until the 22nd..
great chance for teams to practice with no distractions..lot of individual development can take place..
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Bison89
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01-15-19 09:13 PM - Post#272721
In response to NavyVoice
All is right again. Kenpom.com has Bucknell back on top of the PL:
145. Bucknell
151. Lehigh
153. Colgate
175. Holy Cross
189. American
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01-15-19 09:21 PM - Post#272722
In response to Bison89
All is right again. Kenpom.com has Bucknell back on top of the PL:
145. Bucknell
151. Lehigh
153. Colgate
175. Holy Cross
189. American
American @ Lehigh will be interesting tomorrow.
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01-15-19 09:31 PM - Post#272724
In response to jkrun80
I'd rather us play Lehigh after a win tomorrow night than coming off of consecutive conference losses.
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01-16-19 09:26 PM - Post#272799
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Army up 15 on Colgate with 9:00 to play.
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01-16-19 10:52 PM - Post#272808
In response to jkrun80
What a strange and competitive season!
Lehigh beat American 83-76
Army beat Colgate 91-81
Loyola beat Boston U 81-73 OT
Navy beat Lafayette 85-77
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