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Username Post: Around the Patriot League 2018-19        (Topic#21727)
Bison137 
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07-24-18 04:16 PM - Post#259411    

Time to start this thread. Here are a few items, in no particular order, that some may have missed.

1. Most will remember that Holy Cross suspended three players around the end of January: starting wing Karl Charles, reserve center Jack Stephens, and walk-on Will Powers. All three are now gone, with an NCAA and possibly criminal investigation proceeding. Rumors that I have heard from several HC alums but not confirmed are that their transgression involved betting activities with bookies.

The HC recruiting situation this spring/summer has been bizarre, with players only getting "opportunities to play", as opposed to scholarship offers. Not sure if the former means walk-on status with need-based aid or what. It seems like HC is not sure at this point as to whether they may have to forfeit scholarships.

2. Colgate has landed two transfers who may be starters down the road. First is a third-year 6-10 center from Northwestern, Rapolas Ivanauskas, who missed most of his first two years with two major shoulder surgeries. CU has petitioned the NCAA to let him play immediately - as opposed to sitting out a year as normally required for transfers - but I have no idea if they will permit it. Second is 6-0 CG Nelly Cummings, who was a rotation player as a freshman at Bowling Green. Was Pittsburgh Area POY two years ago and was recruited by the Bison.

3. Navy lost freshman 6-8 PF/C Tyler Riemersma to transfer. He averaged about 11 mpg as a key reserve.

4. Navy's Athletic Association, which has funded their sports program for many years in a very opulent manner, has hit a budget crisis which may necessitate some spending cuts. One cut is that Navy basketball will now have to make do with the same four-man coaching staff that has always been the max for non-Service Academy teams. Navy wil still no doubt have a larger budget for the various sports than any PL school except possibly Army.

5. Loyola lost four players to transfer, but the effect is minimal. One of them, Chancellor Barnard, was a solid player for three years - often starting -but sat out all last year due to a torn pec muscle. He would have helped them this year but is now a grad transfer at Binghamton. The other three who are gone are: wing Ian Langendoerfer, PR River Reed, and PG Nevell Provo. Two have now transferred to D2/D3 programs, and I doubt if many quality programs are beating down Reed's door.

6. Boston U adds 6-1 PG Alex Vilarino, who spend one semester as a recruited walk-on at Texas Tech. Coach Jones said he will be available to play from Day 1 this year - which I don't understand since at this point he has only been enrolled at Boston for one semester, not the two semesters normally required under NCAA rules. He will likely be of value to them as a backup PG.




 
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Re: Around the Patriot League 2018-19
07-30-18 09:03 AM - Post#259629    
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As bison137 knows, we have a rule on Crossports of not posting rumors about players. So, while he may have heard what he posted above from HC fans, nothing has been posted on our board and any information is hearsay. Nothing has been announced publicly by Holy Cross. It is unfortunate that he chose to post the rumors here.

 
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07-30-18 04:13 PM - Post#259708    
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hvsader, I hope that the rumors are not true. A strong, competitive HC team is good for the PL as a whole.
'RAY FOR THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE!


 
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10-01-18 09:37 AM - Post#261738    
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Looks like the HC Board is pretty psyched about a new recruit who recently committed, Ryan Wade (G):

https://twitter.com/rwade15/status/104616 006706892...

WorcesterGray wrote, "For the record, Ryan had a slew of mid-major offers - a handful from the MAC and Detroit last year, and six more this past summer, including Air Force, San Diego, Robert Morris, North Dakota, and Lehigh."

Wade is listed online as anywhere between 5'-9" (ESPN) and 6'-1" (Verbal Commits). That is a big range. I remember American having 2 very good, smaller guards about 10 years ago that took them to the Dance and put a scare in Nova. Just out of interest, who was the smallest guard to make the All-PL Team since 2000?
'RAY FOR THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE!


 
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10-01-18 06:06 PM - Post#261749    
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The Big East needs good recruits! ๐Ÿ˜Š

 
Bucknellbisonfan21 
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10-19-18 09:34 AM - Post#263042    
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https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/patriot-2019-p...

Hereโ€™s a league preview from a site if anyone is looking for some reading material.

 
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10-26-18 11:43 AM - Post#263560    
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https://cbbcentral.com/2018/10/26/32x32-2018 -19-pa...

More league preview reading material.

 
Bison137 
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Around the Patriot League 2018-19
11-06-18 04:24 PM - Post#264413    
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If you are interested in scouting some of the PL challengers, a few games are available on different networks tonight:

Colgate at NJIT 7 PM ESPN+ http://www.espn.com/watch/collections/133 01/colleg...

Marist at Army 7 PM PLN https://watchstadium.com/network/patriot-leagu e-ne...

Sacred Heart at Holy Cross 7 PM PLN https://watchstadium.com/live/150263/

Lehigh at Monmouth 8:30 PM ESPN3 http://www.espn.com/watch/player?bucketId =13301&am...


If you happen to be an ESPN+ subscriber, another game of interest is Penn vs George Mason at 7 PM.




 
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11-06-18 07:18 PM - Post#264461    
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The big transfer from Northwestern, Ivanauskas, not only has been granted immediate eligibility for Colgate but has scored 12 points in the first 5 minutes. Based on his potential and the fact that he appears healthy, it makes Colgate a very serious contender. Ivanauskas is a good bet to make some level of All-PL if he stays healthy.

CU started a huge lineup, with 6-8 Will Raymond at SF




 
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11-06-18 07:26 PM - Post#264468    
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Holy Cross fans masquerading as empty seats for their season opener. Maybe 500 people.

 
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11-06-18 07:46 PM - Post#264480    
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HC is not surprisingly blowing out a really bad Sacred Heart team.




 
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11-09-18 06:27 PM - Post#265010    
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There are several games on tonight that include PL teams. It should give us and idea of how good these teams are early in the season:

Lehigh vs. Miami (7pm ACC Network)
Monmouth vs. Colgate (7pm)
American vs. George Mason (7pm ESPN+)
Vermont vs. Boston U (7pm)
Maryland vs. Navy (8:30pm CBS Sports Network)
'RAY FOR THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE!


 
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11-09-18 06:51 PM - Post#265011    
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Boston U vs Vermont should be a good one. Boston U played great, and used a lot of freshman, in a good road win against CAA preseason favorite Northeastern. Also interested to see how Colgate fares. They should be Monmouth by double digits, but their defense was not good in their first game.




 
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11-09-18 08:43 PM - Post#265035    
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  • Bison137 Said:
Boston U vs Vermont should be a good one. Boston U played great, and used a lot of freshman, in a good road win against CAA preseason favorite Northeastern. Also interested to see how Colgate fares. They should be Monmouth by double digits, but their defense was not good in their first game.


Good game at Boston. 68-68 at the under 4.

 
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11-09-18 08:58 PM - Post#265049    
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American GMU to overtime
Vermont 76 BU 72


 
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11-09-18 09:15 PM - Post#265056    
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Colgate pulled away to a 13-point win over Monmouth. The big transfer from Northwestern, Ivanauskas, had 22 points and 10 rebounds. Colgate is a very realistic championship contender with him in the lineup. CU, LU and Boston U have all started strong and look to be candidates for #1.

Ivanuskas' presence, plus the addition of a freshman wing (Tucker Richardson) who can play figures to significantly reduce the playing time of Mr. Flagrant Foul, Dana Batt.




 
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11-09-18 09:19 PM - Post#265058    
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Colgate 87 Monmouth 74 (Monmouth 35-34 at half)
Miami 83 Lehigh 62
BU 78 Mason &5






 
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11-10-18 10:14 AM - Post#265112    
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After the loss to American last night, Dave Paulsen is now 1-2 vs Patriot League teams at George Mason.

 
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11-10-18 08:06 PM - Post#265173    
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Holy Cross up 6 at Michigan late in the first half.

 
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11-12-18 06:55 PM - Post#265338    
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Not the Patriot League, but Vermont plays at Kansas tonight.

 
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11-18-18 04:29 PM - Post#266246    
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Holy Cross beat Siena 57-45 in a game without any made free throws. The teams were a combined 0 for 3.

 
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11-24-18 05:31 PM - Post#266900    
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Lehigh trailing Kansas State 37-35 at halftime. The PL will be tough this year.
'RAY FOR THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE!


 
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11-24-18 06:19 PM - Post#266910    
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I agree. K State pulled away but that was a competitive contest.

 
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11-26-18 08:34 PM - Post#267168    
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Best wins for PL teams thus far this year:

1. Boston U over #99 Northeastern
2. Bucknell over #130 Vermont
3. American over #160 GMU
4. Bucknell over #168 St. Bona




 
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11-26-18 10:48 PM - Post#267170    
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Nice to see Bucknellโ€™s two wins against good opponents. Wonder what are the worst losses by PL teams thus far? (Yes, Iโ€™m lazy...I admit.)

Edited by MrPhillie on 11-26-18 10:49 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Bison137 
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11-26-18 11:19 PM - Post#267179    
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OK, here are the worst eight losses. All based on Pomeroy.

Boston U - #262 Drexel
Army - #318 Sacred Heart, #294 UMass Lowell
Lafayette - #308 St Francis (NY)
Loyola - #283 Towson, #270 Detroit
Navy - #329 Morgan State




 
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11-27-18 07:09 AM - Post#267184    
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And the eighth is?

There are three kinds of accountants, those who can count and those who can't

There are 10 kinds of people...those who understand binary and those who don't


 
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11-27-18 07:18 AM - Post#267185    
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๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚๐Ÿ˜‚

 
Bison89 
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12-01-18 07:10 PM - Post#267753    
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Good day for the Patriot League at 6-1.

http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketba ll/scoreb...
'RAY FOR THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE!


 
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12-05-18 05:13 PM - Post#268148    
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About 25% into the season, the PL is starting to tighten up and looks to be competitive. As per kenpom.com:

140. Lehigh 5-2
141. Holy Cross 6-3
164. Colgate 6-3
178. American 5-2
181. Bucknell 4-3
185. Boston U 6-4
268. Army 4-6
307. Loyola MD 3-5
309. Lafayette 2-5
320. Navy 2-5
'RAY FOR THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE!


 
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12-05-18 06:36 PM - Post#268152    
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It's hard to tell how good a team we have. The losses to Canisius and especially Fairfield are baffling. The schedule is much less tough than it appeared with St. Bona, Monmouth, & La Salle all struggling. The St. Mary's and Rhode Island games should tell whether this team is for real or not.

Holy Cross and American look much better than I expected. Bucknell and Boston look worse, at least on paper.

 
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12-05-18 06:41 PM - Post#268153    
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We'll look alot better on paper after knocking off Ohio State next weekend ๐Ÿ˜

 
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12-05-18 07:34 PM - Post#268157    
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  • jkrun80 Said:
It's hard to tell how good a team we have. The losses to Canisius and especially Fairfield are baffling.




They were certainly winnable but I don' t think baffling, given that Sestina was out. Had he played, they easily beat Fairfield and would have had a good shot vs Canisius

One thing is that this team is not that experienced and many are in new roles. Toomer is stepping up as a scorer, which is great, and Sotos needs to find more consistency in terms of creating offense. The frosh hopefully will continue to develop and become bigger contributors and limit the mistakes. Last night the game was won with great shooting, despite a lot of turnovers, a ton of fouls (some bogus), and too many mental errors. They need to improve in these areas.




 
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12-05-18 08:31 PM - Post#268162    
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  • Bison89 Said:
About 25% into the season, the PL is starting to tighten up and looks to be competitive. As per kenpom.com:

140. Lehigh 5-2
141. Holy Cross 6-3
164. Colgate 6-3
178. American 5-2
181. Bucknell 4-3
185. Boston U 6-4
268. Army 4-6
307. Loyola MD 3-5
309. Lafayette 2-5
320. Navy 2-5





The PL in its history has never had more than four teams finish in the top 185. The only comparable year would be 2008 when American, Holy Cross, Lafayette, Colgate, and Navy all finished between 150 and 200 when there were only eight teams. The league overall ranked #21 that year, compared to a current ranking of #20.

There is only year ever when the PL was ranked higher than the current #20, that being 2013 when it ended up 17th thanks to a very strong Bison squad and a good Lehigh one.

Putting the current ranking of #20 into perspective, I think there are 11 high-major conferences - ending with the MVC and the WCC. That leaves 21 mid-major and low-major leagues - with the PL 9th of those 21, right behind the CAA, WAC, Sun Belt and Summit, and just ahead of the Big West, Big Sky, Horizon, and MAAC. PL is way ahead of America East and the NEC.




 
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12-05-18 10:54 PM - Post#268178    
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Other PL games tonight:

- Navy with a nice 15-point win at Delaware, who was having a pretty good season before tonight. Mids had 10 fewer turnovers and got an amazing 53% of available offensive rebounds. (The norm is 28.6%.)

- Lehigh lost to a good Yale team 97-87. Deciding factor was Yale's 43-28 edge in rebounding. LU's two-headed monster at center, 6-9 Karnik and 6-10 Lynch - combined for three rebounds.

- Colgate edged Columbia by two points. Colgate had a 13 point lead with 10 minutes left, then fell behind before rallying to win.

- Loyola led Drexel at the half, but gave up a 17-5 run to start the second half and lost. Andrew Kostecka, who is leading the league in scoring, had 31 points. He originally committed to HC but backed out when Milan Brown was fired. Loyola only had five turnovers, but Drexel had a lot more FT's.

- And finally, LC blown out at UConn.

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12-06-18 05:35 AM - Post#268186    
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Navy 17 offensive rebounds in the first half, but only 15 second chance points. Mids shot it much better in the second half and every time Delaware and their great freshmen Horton out of Roselle Catholic, via St. Anthony's, made a run, Navy had an answer. Lots of Freshmen and Soph's contributing for Navy.. Good signs...

Took a year to get administrative help to finally get back on the board!!!

 
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12-06-18 11:39 AM - Post#268204    
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  • NavyVoice Said:


Took a year to get administrative help to finally get back on the board!!!



NavyVoice, welcome back! Post often.
'RAY FOR THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE!


 
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12-06-18 04:22 PM - Post#268219    
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Welcome back NavyVoice nee Voice of Navy Sports.

 
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12-06-18 05:58 PM - Post#268224    
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Bonnies and VM helping us ascend the kenpom ladder even while idle. Up to 178 today.

 
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12-07-18 08:14 AM - Post#268251    
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  • bison63 Said:
Bonnies and VM helping us ascend the kenpom ladder even while idle. Up to 178 today.



And HC has moved up to first in the PL with a ranking of #141. That's gotta make the HC Faithful happy! (Other than a select few who will start complaining that they are not ranked in the top 100, not scheduling better opponents, not in the BE, can't time warp back to the 1950s, etc.)

Personally, I think that it is good to see HC playing well. Strong teams at HC, Lehigh, and Bucknell make for a fun PL.
'RAY FOR THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE!


 
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