Bison137
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01-06-19 07:57 PM - Post#271570
In response to jkrun80
Current standings:
Lehigh . 2-0
Navy . . 2-0
Holy Cross 1-1
Colgate . 1-1
American 1-1
Boston U 1-1
Bucknell 1-1
Army WP 1-1
Loyola MD 0-2
Lafayette 0-2
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1. The two undefeated teams (Lehigh and Navy) both played both games at home, as did Army.
2. Lehigh played the two bottom-feeders. Navy, otoh, upset two contenders.
3. Even after their two upset home wins, Navy is still ranked as the second weakest PL team by various models.
4. Three teams have played both games on the road: Bucknell, Holy Cross, and Lafayette. HC played two of the league's three lowest-rated teams.
5. If nothing else, the Bison have now completed their worst bus ride, plus their fourth worst.
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jkrun80
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01-06-19 08:52 PM - Post#271574
In response to Bison137
Unfortunately, we still have mid-week road trips to Loyola, Colgate, and Navy in February after classes start. At least we get three straight home games now, though none are going to be easy.
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bison63
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01-06-19 09:11 PM - Post#271578
In response to jkrun80
Those games vs ‘gate, AU, and HC are games we cannot afford to lose at home. Big winner of the opening week was Navy. Anybody going into Annapolis thinking it will be easy pickings is going to lose. Always a tough place to play.
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Bison137
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01-07-19 09:54 AM - Post#271602
In response to bison63
In the "glass half full" department, here is a complete list of road wins in the PL thus far:
- Bucknell (over Army)
- Holy Cross (over Loyola)
Even in leagues like the PL, it is tough to win on the road, especially this year when the league has more balance. Home teams are 8-2 thus far.
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BisonFan4
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01-12-19 06:48 PM - Post#272339
In response to jkrun80
Colgate beats Lehigh 91-78
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jkrun80
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01-12-19 07:25 PM - Post#272342
In response to BisonFan4
Bucknell and Lehigh tied for 1st at 3-1. Six teams at 2-2.
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bison63
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01-12-19 10:01 PM - Post#272392
In response to jkrun80
So here’s the thing. We are 3-1. BUT, we are two one point wins away from 1-3. Our 3 league wins are by a total of 5 points. I was not a believer in American, but I am becoming one. Their losses on the road to Colgate and us actually impress me more than their wins.
How do you feel about going into Bender after beating AU by 1 in Sojka? In a game that we essentially trailed throughout until the last few minutes, a game in which we could not make a 3 for most of the first 35 minutes, missed at least two slam dunks, missed too damn many free throws, two of which were front ends of 1 & 1’s with under :30 while leading by 1. Can you do that and deserve to win?
Yet in the last 5 minutes our star 5 man hits two threes and our defense refuses to allow Nelson to take control down the stretch, in fact shutting him out over the last 8 or so minutes. Good teams do not keep getting into those situations, but bad teams don’t get out of them. I can’t figure out which we are right now.
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Bison1999
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Around the Patriot League 2018-19
01-12-19 10:28 PM - Post#272402
In response to bison63
So here’s the thing. We are 3-1. BUT, we are two one point wins away from 1-3. Our 3 league wins are by a total of 5 points. I was not a believer in American, but I am becoming one. Their losses on the road to Colgate and us actually impress me more than their wins.
How do you feel about going into Bender after beating AU by 1 in Sojka? In a game that we essentially trailed throughout until the last few minutes, a game in which we could not make a 3 for most of the first 35 minutes, missed at least two slam dunks, missed too damn many free throws, two of which were front ends of 1 & 1’s with under :30 while leading by 1. Can you do that and deserve to win?
Yet in the last 5 minutes our star 5 man hits two threes and our defense refuses to allow Nelson to take control down the stretch, in fact shutting him out over the last 8 or so minutes. Good teams do not keep getting into those situations, but bad teams don’t get out of them. I can’t figure out which we are right now.
I'm looking at a glass half full. Though the Bison were playing catch-up for most of the game, they played a much better first half defense than we've seen in league play so far. Yes, 3 point shooting was terrible but the Bison were 2 or 3 made 3s (still below their average) from a) leading at half-time and/or b) putting the end game far more out of reach.
I feel very good about the future when they go back on the road. But 1 game at a time: Monday's a statement game. Can they contain Floyd and/or neutralize his backdoors? BostonU killed the Bison with a similar schema last time. I'm eager to see what the fellas have learned (especially Moore, who's more-and-more coming into his own).
Go Bison!
Edited by Bison1999 on 01-12-19 10:29 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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raymondbucknell
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01-13-19 01:13 AM - Post#272414
In response to Bison1999
We are finding ways to win. Let’s consider the glass half full. Think about the talent we lost last year and a slew of younger but very talented players trying to get their bearings. I’ll take 3-1 for sure.
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NavyVoice
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01-14-19 09:21 AM - Post#272515
In response to raymondbucknell
It is as competitive as Ive seen the league in a while...
Monday road teams tend to be behind the eight-ball in these Monday games...
The other plus, you usually get upgrade in Zebras for these Monday games...
Army and Navy are both back in class now.. titles things in favor of other clubs just sleeping and practicing now..
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Bison137
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01-14-19 10:41 AM - Post#272532
In response to NavyVoice
Army and Navy are both back in class now.. titles things in favor of other clubs just sleeping and practicing now..
FWIW Bucknell players are also back in class.
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Paulie777
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01-14-19 11:43 AM - Post#272541
In response to Bison137
Army and Navy are both back in class now.. titles things in favor of other clubs just sleeping and practicing now..
FWIW Bucknell players are also back in class.
Did you mean "Titles and other things are in favor of other clubs" or Titles swing in favor of other clubs"? I guess you are trying to say clubs other than the military academies have an advantage when it comes to patriot league titles because the military academies are up at the crack of dawn doing their stuff when the students from other schools are sleeping in and have no other responsibilities and just go to practice well rested? I'm not buying it.
Army had a 24 point lead on Bucknell at halftime and couldn't muster up a plan to hold them off second half and take the game. Thats great if you are a Bucknell fan but slightly disconcerting if one is scrutinizing the way West Point is going to choose how to hold the lead and stave Bucknell off. They did neither.
I think the Military Academies have a lot on their plate right now with the state off affairs and really a government shutdown. I for one appreciate them and the universities all have your back with strong ROTC programs and the country has your back too in these tough times.
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atlantabison
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01-14-19 12:22 PM - Post#272545
In response to Paulie777
Army and Navy are both back in class now.. titles things in favor of other clubs just sleeping and practicing now..
FWIW Bucknell players are also back in class.
Did you mean "Titles and other things are in favor of other clubs" or Titles swing in favor of other clubs"? I guess you are trying to say clubs other than the military academies have an advantage when it comes to patriot league titles because the military academies are up at the crack of dawn doing their stuff when the students from other schools are sleeping in and have no other responsibilities and just go to practice well rested? I'm not buying it.
Army had a 24 point lead on Bucknell at halftime and couldn't muster up a plan to hold them off second half and take the game. Thats great if you are a Bucknell fan but slightly disconcerting if one is scrutinizing the way West Point is going to choose how to hold the lead and stave Bucknell off. They did neither.
I think the Military Academies have a lot on their plate right now with the state off affairs and really a government shutdown. I for one appreciate them and the universities all have your back with strong ROTC programs and the country has your back too in these tough times.
More likely a simple typo of "tilts" with a bad auto correct.
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Paulie777
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01-14-19 01:38 PM - Post#272556
In response to atlantabison
Army and Navy are both back in class now.. titles things in favor of other clubs just sleeping and practicing now..
FWIW Bucknell players are also back in class.
Did you mean "Titles and other things are in favor of other clubs" or Titles swing in favor of other clubs"? I guess you are trying to say clubs other than the military academies have an advantage when it comes to patriot league titles because the military academies are up at the crack of dawn doing their stuff when the students from other schools are sleeping in and have no other responsibilities and just go to practice well rested? I'm not buying it.
Army had a 24 point lead on Bucknell at halftime and couldn't muster up a plan to hold them off second half and take the game. Thats great if you are a Bucknell fan but slightly disconcerting if one is scrutinizing the way West Point is going to choose how to hold the lead and stave Bucknell off. They did neither.
I think the Military Academies have a lot on their plate right now with the state off affairs and really a government shutdown. I for one appreciate them and the universities all have your back with strong ROTC programs and the country has your back too in these tough times.
More likely a simple typo of "tilts" with a bad auto correct.
Oh yeah, tilts. I see it now.
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NavyVoice
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01-15-19 09:19 AM - Post#272640
In response to Paulie777
HAHAH Yes TILTS!!!
Monday road team goes down again...
I know some schools dont go back until the 22nd..
great chance for teams to practice with no distractions..lot of individual development can take place..
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Bison89
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01-15-19 09:13 PM - Post#272721
In response to NavyVoice
All is right again. Kenpom.com has Bucknell back on top of the PL:
145. Bucknell
151. Lehigh
153. Colgate
175. Holy Cross
189. American
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jkrun80
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01-15-19 09:21 PM - Post#272722
In response to Bison89
All is right again. Kenpom.com has Bucknell back on top of the PL:
145. Bucknell
151. Lehigh
153. Colgate
175. Holy Cross
189. American
American @ Lehigh will be interesting tomorrow.
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BisonFan4
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01-15-19 09:31 PM - Post#272724
In response to jkrun80
I'd rather us play Lehigh after a win tomorrow night than coming off of consecutive conference losses.
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jkrun80
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01-16-19 09:26 PM - Post#272799
In response to BisonFan4
Army up 15 on Colgate with 9:00 to play.
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Bison89
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01-16-19 10:52 PM - Post#272808
In response to jkrun80
What a strange and competitive season!
Lehigh beat American 83-76
Army beat Colgate 91-81
Loyola beat Boston U 81-73 OT
Navy beat Lafayette 85-77
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