Bison137
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01-17-19 12:58 AM - Post#272812
In response to Bison89
Current Standings:
Bucknell 4-1
Lehigh 4-1
Army 3-2
Navy 3-2
American 2-3
Boston U 2-3
Colgate 2-3
Holy Cross 2-3
Loyola 2-3
Lafayette 1-4
Pomeroy Projected Finish:
Bucknell 13-5
Lehigh 12-6
Colgate 10-8
Holy Cross 10-8
Anerican 10-8
Boston U 8-10
Army 8-10
Navy 7-11
Loyola 6-12
Lafayette 5-13
Note: Records don't sum to .500 due to rounding.
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BisonFan4
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01-17-19 01:28 AM - Post#272813
In response to Bison137
Who would've thought Army & Navy would be tired for 2nd after 5 conference games?
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Bison137
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01-17-19 01:38 AM - Post#272814
In response to BisonFan4
Yes, I don't think anyone expected that. But, believe it or not, the two teams were just as good last year through five games - both being 3-2. After beating Navy in Game 6, Army was 4-2 last year. Ended at 6-12 after going 2-10 the rest of the year.
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BisonRoadWarrior
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01-19-19 03:29 PM - Post#273015
In response to Bison137
Resurgent Loyola wins at Holy Cross in OT on this last-second drive for third straight league victory:
https://twitter.com/loyolambb/status/1086 700219352...
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res
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01-19-19 03:44 PM - Post#273020
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
Yes, a handful of posters on Crossports jumping off the bandwagon; even more jumping off the 10th floor...
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Bison137
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01-19-19 05:09 PM - Post#273050
In response to res
And the only reason it's only a handful is that others had jumped after the game in Lewisburg on Monday.
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Bison137
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01-19-19 06:39 PM - Post#273079
In response to Bison137
Current Standings:
Bucknell 5-1
Lehigh 4-2
Army 4-2
Colgate 3-3
Loyola MD 3-3
Navy 3-3
Holy Cross 2-4
American 2-4
Boston University 2-4
Lafayette 2-4
Pomeroy projections for the full PL schedule:
Bucknell 13-5
Lehigh 12-6
Colgate 11-7
Army 9-9
Holy Cross 9-9
American 8-10
Loyola MD 7-11
Navy 7-11
Boston University 7-11
Lafayette 6-12
Boston U's stock has fallen precipitously after a loss at Loyola the other night, followed by a 21-point home loss today to Colgate. I'm not sure what is wrong with them, but even with their young roster, there is too much talent to be losing by that sort of margin.
Btw, Walter Whyte - who may have been their second best player - is apparently out for the year with a serious bone bruise. Back in early November, he was supposed to be back for PL play, but that is not happening.
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crd012
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01-19-19 07:54 PM - Post#273108
In response to Bison137
Projected to go 8-4 the rest of the way. I hope not. Nothing wrong with 13-5, but beating Lehigh today I thought would increase or win projection. The game today had to be our worst projected probability to win.
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Bison137
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01-19-19 09:42 PM - Post#273127
In response to crd012
Rounding makes it look worse. Prior to the LU game, Pomeroy projected BU to end up with 12.76 wins. Now he projects 13.31. So they advanced by .55 of a win, but rounding makes both the projections end up as 13.
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bison63
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01-20-19 09:20 AM - Post#273152
In response to Bison137
Current Pomeroy:
145 Bucknell
146 Colgate
149 Lehigh
184 Holy Cross
197 American
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Bucknellbisonfan21
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01-20-19 02:09 PM - Post#273167
In response to jkrun80
I was looking through stats today for the league and was surprised to realize that there aren’t any freshman this year that are averaging double digit points for the season. The leading freshman scorer is John Carter Jr, who is averaging 7.3 ppg for Navy. I don’t know how that compares to freshmen classes of the past but that seems low to me for the leading scorer.
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BisonRoadWarrior
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Around the Patriot League 2018-19
01-20-19 02:15 PM - Post#273170
In response to Bucknellbisonfan21
Due to weather, Monday's American at Boston University game has been moved to Wednesday at 5pm.
The early tip time reflects that the move now makes it a men/women double-header.
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BisonRoadWarrior
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Around the Patriot League 2018-19
01-20-19 02:37 PM - Post#273174
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
The switch gives American more time to recover from yesterday, but less time ahead of Bucknell's visit next Saturday.
I wonder if the American - Boston University game will still be aired on CBS Sports Network.
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BisonRoadWarrior
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Around the Patriot League 2018-19
01-21-19 04:48 PM - Post#273261
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
Is the league still using RPI for breaking ties when seeding the league tournament? The Bison overtook Lehigh over the weekend.
RPI
110 Bucknell
116 Lehigh
140 Colgate
163 Holy Cross
231 Navy
243 Loyola
251 Boston University
252 Army
285 American
307 Lafayette
NCAA NET Ranking
147 Colgate
149 Lehigh
163 Bucknell
191 Holy Cross
199 American
236 Boston University
250 Army
284 Lafayette
290 Loyola
294 Navy
Pomeroy
144 Bucknell
145 Colgate
149 Lehigh
185 Holy Cross
197 American
235 Boston University
244 Army
289 Loyola
301 Lafayette
305 Navy
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BisonRoadWarrior
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Around the Patriot League 2018-19
01-21-19 05:10 PM - Post#273264
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
According to this page, the league is still using RPI. However, it implies they will use the RPI as posted at NCAA.com, and I don't think the NCAA posts it anymore.
http://www.patriotleague.org/standings.aspx?path=m...
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Bison137
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Around the Patriot League 2018-19
01-21-19 06:08 PM - Post#273268
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
You have to remember that the PL staff seems to be a mediocre group that does as little work as possible. The tiebreaker you discuss actually was changed in the Men's Basketball Tournament Manual back in July to refer to the NET but they couldn't be bothered to post the correct rules to the tiebreaker displayed on the basketball page of the website, which you have linked. Here is the correct final tiebreaker:
" If a tie still exists, the League office will use the NET according to the NCAA report published on the day (or the next day that a report is available) following the final regularâ€season League game to determine the higherâ€seeded team. (Note: If a game must be postponed for any reason, the first NCAA NET calculated following the conclusion of that game will be used.) The team with the higher RPI will receive the higher seed and the opportunity to host the Tournament final (should the team advance to the Championship game) [July 2018]"
https://s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/patriotleag...
Note that they couldn't even update a simple thing like this correctly, as they still refer (incorrectly) to RPI in the last sentence.
I know you know that the RPI/NET tiebreaker is a "last resort" tiebreaker that is used only if the first two tiebreakers don't work. The first is head-to-head results. The second is each tied team's record against the third place team, then fourth place team, etc.
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DrBison
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Re: Around the Patriot League 2018-19
01-21-19 06:25 PM - Post#273270
In response to Bison137
Can someone explain how the Bison can be 3rd in the NET ranking? With our ooc schedule, being in first place, and having defeated the teams above us, doesn’t make sense!
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BisonFan4
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01-21-19 06:50 PM - Post#273275
In response to DrBison
I don't think the NET ranking makes much sense
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bison63
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01-21-19 07:12 PM - Post#273279
In response to BisonFan4
The home losses to Canisius, Fairfield, and Northeastern killed us in the NET ranking, and probably have locked us into a 16 seed if we get to the dance.
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jkrun80
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01-21-19 07:41 PM - Post#273282
In response to bison63
The home losses to Canisius, Fairfield, and Northeastern killed us in the NET ranking, and probably have locked us into a 16 seed if we get to the dance.
Fairfield yes. Canisius and Northeastern not so much. Both are coming around and are 4-2 and 5-2 in league play. Monmouth is also 5-2, a pleasant surprise. OTOH OSU is 2-4 and TCU 2-3. The loss to Boston is probably bigger since they've gone into a tailspin lately.
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