weinhauers_ghost
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08-25-18 12:38 PM - Post#260688
He who shall not be named has resurfaced in D-III, once again riding on the coattails of his mentor.
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Silver Maple
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08-25-18 05:10 PM - Post#260690
In response to weinhauers_ghost
Whatever. A guy's got to eat.
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Go Green
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08-28-18 09:51 AM - Post#260731
In response to Silver Maple
Got to tell you, when I see "persona non grata" on the Penn basketball forum, Miller is not the first former HC that comes to mind...
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weinhauers_ghost
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08-28-18 10:35 AM - Post#260735
In response to Go Green
He may not be the first whose name comes to mind, but in the current era, he's the original.
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10Q
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08-28-18 10:39 AM - Post#260736
In response to weinhauers_ghost
Miller ruined Penn basketball. He's number one forever in my book.
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palestra38
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08-28-18 10:46 AM - Post#260737
In response to weinhauers_ghost
Actually, the original was Schneider....or was it Littlepage (the king of underperformance--he actually had a good team and won 1 of 3).
Unlike many here, I do not consider Miller in the realm of unmentionable. He was the best recruiter we had until the return of Donahue (although we still need more time there for a final verdict--looks really good up to now) and recruited a team that almost certainly would have won 1 or more titles had it not been for injury and his inability to deal with losing at Penn. He had to recruit from an empty roster and recruited Rosen, Bernardini, Eggleston, Belcore, Gaines, Turley, Monckton, and Loughery (granted, those last 2 due to injury never gave us much) and got zero from the guys he inherited---namely Schreiber and Reilly (again, injuries). He melted down and frankly, failed. But the heart of that team won 20 games 2 years later as seniors. Had everyone been together, it might have worked. To me, Jerome was a much bigger failure, as his recruiting was far worse and the team was not a team.
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Go Green
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08-28-18 10:47 AM - Post#260738
In response to 10Q
Miller ruined Penn basketball. He's number one forever in my book.
Even over the guy who (allegedly) accepted bribes to admit less-talented recruits?
Sheesh...
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Silver Maple
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08-28-18 11:02 AM - Post#260739
In response to Go Green
Personally, I reserve most of my animosity for Steve Bilsky. Ultimately, this whole mess is his. I hope he's happy.
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palestra38
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08-28-18 11:10 AM - Post#260740
In response to Silver Maple
Same here. But Jerome is a recent contender with a bullet.
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10Q
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08-28-18 11:19 AM - Post#260741
In response to Go Green
If he pleas, I'll consider bumping him up over Miller.
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palestra38
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08-28-18 11:27 AM - Post#260742
In response to 10Q
Why is that necessary to you? Again, facts are facts. He has not denied that he was paid by a (fake) recruit's father for services that were either non-existent or NCAA violations. It is a matter of public record. Nuff said. Character matters...indeed, Jerome would have said that himself before this incident was revealed.
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Penndemonium
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08-28-18 12:39 PM - Post#260744
In response to palestra38
Allen doesn't get my forgiveness for the alleged, but he does get an offset to his poor performance as a coach from his performance as a player. I give Allen (the player) credit for turning Penn from uninspired mediocrity to the dynasty of the 90's. While I believe there were other players (Barry Pierce, Matt Maloney, Paul Chambers, etc.) that played pivotal roles, Allen was the first recruit of a different caliber they had in ages and it made players take a different look at us.
While Miller may have had some good attributes, he did inherit a team that won an ivy title. Without a doubt, the cupboard was a bit thin after that, but I'm hard pressed to think of any positive legacy he brought to the program.
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palestra38
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08-28-18 12:44 PM - Post#260745
In response to Penndemonium
I'm completely with you on Allen's greatness as a player (as I am, for example, with Pete Rose). But he was supposed to bring character to a team that Miller let down with his own lack of character and frankly, showed far less character than Miller.
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Silver Maple
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08-28-18 12:47 PM - Post#260746
In response to palestra38
I'm completely with you on Allen's greatness as a player (as I am, for example, with Pete Rose). But he was supposed to bring character to a team that Miller let down with his own lack of character and frankly, showed far less character than Miller.
Wow-- now that's an intriguing question: who showed a more disappointing lack of character as Penn head coach? Glenn Miller or Jerome Allen?
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Streamers
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08-28-18 12:54 PM - Post#260747
In response to palestra38
He had to recruit from an empty roster and recruited Rosen, Bernardini, Eggleston, Belcore, Gaines, Turley, Monckton, and Loughery (granted, those last 2 due to injury never gave us much) and got zero from the guys he inherited---namely Schreiber and Reilly (again, injuries).
Miller's coaching had a lot to do with the injuries we saw on his watch.
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