JimK_LU72
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Bucknell FB 11-03-18 06:02 PM - Post#264149
In response to HuskyColonial
Lehigh hopefully will wait until the end of the year to "retire" Andy Coen. His assistants, however should stand in the unemployment line now. I don't know a thing about coach Susan, but it sounds as though you want him in front of our guys in that line. Is that the general feeling in Lewisburg?
Edited by JimK_LU72 on 11-03-18 06:04 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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jkrun80
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Re: Bucknell FB 11-03-18 06:11 PM - Post#264150
In response to JimK_LU72
Lehigh hopefully will wait until the end of the year to "retire" Andy Coen. His assistants, however should stand in the unemployment line now. I don't know a thing about coach Susan, but it sounds as though you want him in front of our guys in that line. Is that the general feeling in Lewisburg?
I will just say that the players would be very sorry to see Coach Susan and much of his staff fired. They are very committed to him and vica versa.
I could be mistaken, but think he has one year left on his contract. It's doubtful Bucknell would want to buy him out, but you never know.
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Doktore K
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Re: Bucknell FB 11-03-18 07:04 PM - Post#264151
In response to jkrun80
There are 2 different lines here. Comparing Lehigh and Bucknell football programs is absolutely apples and oranges.
Based on past successes by LU, no comparison here.
Disappointing season for sure. We punted 9 times today? Is that some sort of record?
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JimK_LU72
Freshman
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11-03-18 07:49 PM - Post#264152
In response to Doktore K
We will all be happy next week when basketball season begins. Best of luck to the Bison in their upcoming and very demanding OOC schedule.
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A Western Bison
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11-05-18 01:20 PM - Post#264271
In response to HuskyColonial
These last two seasons have been painful to watch, with no creative response to adversity. There has been a big shift in institutional support for the program with not much to show for it. (Yes, it could be better.) If we're going to do this, there has to be some urgency to right the ship.
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Doktore K
Masters Student
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11-05-18 08:40 PM - Post#264340
In response to A Western Bison
WB— can you clarify? More institutional support in what ways or dollars?
I’m wondering how many other PL schools have redshirt players who take 5 years to graduate. I am in favor of a limited number of redshirted student athletes per year.
Just saw a Division II game this weekend and both teams had over 20% redshirts. Would help with depth! Do we have any running backs to spell or block for Jared Cooper?? What happened to all of the RBs?
I like Cooper a lot but he needs some help and we need better depth and creativity.
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Bison137
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11-05-18 09:25 PM - Post#264343
In response to Doktore K
I’m wondering how many other PL schools have redshirt players who take 5 years to graduate. I am in favor of a limited number of redshirted student athletes per year.
I like Cooper a lot but he needs some help and we need better depth and creativity.
1. All PL schools except for Bucknell and Georgetown normally have a few "redshirt" players each year. These are players who reportedly had injuries that cost them a season and who are pursuing an academic program where a fifth year is necessary. Over the past 17 years Fordham, Holy Cross, Lafayette, Lehigh, and Colgate have had over 50 players each in that category, and their administrations have cooperated in making it easy. Bucknell has had zero, and I understand there is a lot of administrative pushback that makes it extremely difficult to bring someone back for a 5th year.
Having 3 or 4 fifth year starters makes a huge difference. For example, Last year's Lehigh team won the PL championship. Their starters included three 5th year players: (a) Center Brandon Short 6-3 280; (b) OL Zach Duffy 6-5 325; and (c) DL Jimmy Mitchell 6-2 275. The first two made 1st team All-PL, and all three were team captains. Think LU wins the title without those three?
Btw, starting Bison TE Marcus Ademilola, who suffered a season-ending injury at the beginning of the year, took the only realistic option and dropped out of school for a semester so that he can return and take his injury "redshirt".
2. Cooper is good for a freshman, but he is 5-7 175 pounds and realistically should be a third down back. That would have been his role, but the two top RB's, Chad Freshnock and Marquis Carter, both suffered serious injuries very early in the season. Freshnock, if healthy, is an All-PL RB - and Carter is not far behind.
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Bison137
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11-05-18 09:39 PM - Post#264345
In response to A Western Bison
There has been a big shift in institutional support for the program with not much to show for it. (Yes, it could be better.) If we're going to do this, there has to be some urgency to right the ship.
Yes, there has been a shift in support, but Bucknell basically is still at the bottom for PL scholarship schools. Here are the most recent expenditures, much of which is the allocated value of scholarships:
Fordham University $7,060,178
Lafayette College $6,581,062
College of Holy Cross $6,162,749
Colgate University $5,899,143
Bucknell University $5,672,257
Lehigh University $5,301,592
According to these numbers, Lehigh is actually last - but I don't really believe that. In any event, BU has closed the gap from what it was two years earlier:
Fordham University $6,515,087
Lafayette College $5,499,462
Lehigh University $5,286,454
Colgate University $5,273,887
College of Holy Cross $4,775,965
Bucknell University $3,846,012
The gap that year was enough to make competing virtually impossible. It is still way too much, but at least the playing field is a bit less uneven now.
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RichH
Sophomore
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11-10-18 05:33 PM - Post#265154
In response to Bison137
137. A survey. I am trying to see if any or all PL teams are at 60 schollies.Any quesstimate?
Thanks
Rich
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Bison137
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11-17-18 11:37 AM - Post#266116
In response to RichH
137. A survey. I am trying to see if any or all PL teams are at 60 schollies.Any quesstimate?
Thanks
Rich
Sorry, no idea about the others. Bucknell's expenditures have been so low before this year that I doubt they were close to 60 before.
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Bison137
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11-17-18 11:38 AM - Post#266117
In response to Bison137
The start time of the Bison football game today was pushed back to give them more time to clear the field, stands, parking lots, etc. Lewisburg apparently had 9 or more inches of snow. This video shows what the field looked like on Thursday:
https://www.instagram.com/p/BqQ8t1HBZla/?utm_so urc...
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jkrun80
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11-17-18 01:24 PM - Post#266124
In response to Bison137
Yes, we got 9 inches. Several of the Athletics staff and coaches were out shoveling the stands yesterday.
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HuskyColonial
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11-17-18 03:33 PM - Post#266127
In response to jkrun80
Colgate giving 8-2 Army all they can handle.
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A Western Bison
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11-17-18 04:14 PM - Post#266128
In response to HuskyColonial
The men of the football program contribute to the Bucknell community beyond whatever it is they bring on Saturdays in the autumn. As we come to understand CTE and minds wiser than me settle the question of football's place on-campus, dropping the sport will change things well beyond Christy Matthewson-Memorial Stadium.
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Bison137
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11-17-18 04:25 PM - Post#266130
In response to A Western Bison
Sadly this season concludes with the Bison literally having run out of RB's. The starter today was a backup safety earlier in the season who was switched to RB out of necessity.
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Doktore K
Masters Student
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Reg: 11-11-09
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11-17-18 07:15 PM - Post#266141
In response to Bison137
Sad season indeed. What happened to Cooper?
How can you literally run out of running backs across 4 classes of players?
We know there were major injuries but this is a glaring lack of depth story. Not much went right this year.
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bison63
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11-17-18 10:12 PM - Post#266151
In response to Doktore K
We are a one win team. Whenever we played another on win team, we remained a one win team and they became a two win team. ‘Nuf said. The bright side is that a lot of young players players got a lot of game experience. The question is are talented players enough to make this predictable offense go anywhere?
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