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Username Post: Harvard Season Preview - StheS Podcast        (Topic#21930)
palestra38 
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11-05-18 10:01 AM - Post#264243    
    In response to mrjames

I'm more interested in your mindset. After coming after me for suggesting that these guys were seriously injured and that there was an intentional effort to prevent that information from being disclosed, why do you believe that Harvard, alone among the Ivies, refuses to release injury information?

 
mrjames 
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11-05-18 10:30 AM - Post#264247    
    In response to palestra38

My mindset:

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My purpose for maintaining the relationships I do around the league is exclusively focused on understanding how the teams will perform (eg getting secret scrimmage results to tweak models - when I used to do them - based on a better sense of the rotation) and hopefully promoting a league on the rise (eg chasing down Ivy Tourney or ESPN deal info). If someone tells me a player is out indefinitely with a knee injury, that’s all I need for my purposes.



 
palestra38 
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11-05-18 10:39 AM - Post#264248    
    In response to mrjames

That doesn't really tell us anything. I would do the same in your shoes. However, clearly Harvard is hiding injuries that no other Ivy school does. Towns was right in front of me when he went down and I thought immediately it was an ACL. For him to still be out makes it clear that it was that or something with an equivalent recovery period. Why hide that? It makes no sense to me, and clearly, those who either prognosticate or bet on the games are being deceived.

 
mrjames 
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11-05-18 11:00 AM - Post#264254    
    In response to palestra38

Harvard released injury info on Kyle, Kenyatta and Siyani, so your frame here extends back a couple seasons at best. I also know enough to know that your assumption is way off. I don't know enough to satisfy the rest of what you want to know, though.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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11-05-18 11:09 AM - Post#264256    
    In response to palestra38

Sorry you see it that way. I believe that what is transpiring is consistent with my expressed thoughts. Both players are recovering from injuries serious enough to impact them for months. Recovery time is speculative, but all information, including Amaker's recent statements, reflect that they are expected to return this season. Of course, this assumes no setbacks.

Note that in previous years, Amaker didn't rush players back for the OOC portion of the schedule.

Is what you want the medical description of their injuries? If Harvard or the player(s) choose not to disclose that personal medical information, it could be for various reasons.

As me (a Harvard fan), I'm comfortable knowing that Seth and Bryce are expected to return this season. For some reason I've gotten the impression that their respective returns will be prior to the conference schedule. I also recall reading that if that schedule started in November that they both might be playing. That's good enough for me. I don't need to know the specifics of their injuries or their medical treatment.

If it turns out that they miss this season, I would be disappointed, not angry. The reality is whatever it turns out to be.

 
Silver Maple 
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11-05-18 11:20 AM - Post#264258    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDT_IBk7hAA

 
palestra38 
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11-05-18 11:25 AM - Post#264259    
    In response to Silver Maple

Who's driving the DeathMobile?

 
Quakers03 
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11-06-18 12:08 AM - Post#264362    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

I guess when a fanbase is only 10-years-old this sort of information doesn't matter so much.

As for the reasons to not disclose, I'm having a hard time coming up with something real. A perceived competitive advantage? It can't be for post-NCAA days because those records would have to be disclosed. I just don't understand the blatant secrecy.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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11-06-18 11:21 AM - Post#264381    
    In response to Quakers03

Attended my first Harvard basketball game in 1979 and first football game around 1968. Shot hoops indoors by B Schoolon that first visit.

I think that means I’m patient and willing to see how things develop. I try not to worry about things outside of my control.



 
H78 
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11-07-18 02:26 AM - Post#264596    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

It's just Penn guys being Penn guys. And we love them for their edgy Philly-style point of view.

If you think they're hard on us, they're just as hard on their own, if not harder. And that's not a complaint, because Silver Maple palestra38 Quakers03 and PennFan10 are all good guys... just more seasoned and spicy that we are. Must be one of the secret ingredients in the cheese in those hoagies...

 
PennFan10 
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11-07-18 10:08 AM - Post#264619    
    In response to mrjames

Incredibly Jon Rothstein was able to tweet the exact nature of Penn top player Ryan Betleys injury before the night set on the game in which he was injured yet the exact same guy inexplicably reported in September, months later, that Harvard’s two best players were cleared for full activity.

I am sure it’s because he is a below average reporter and wasn’t interested in the Duke v Kentucky game instead of the (lack of) information being given to him by the basketball program.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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Re: Harvard Season Preview - StheS Podcast
11-07-18 02:33 PM - Post#264655    
    In response to H78

Hi H78! Good to hear from you. Hope all has been well. Are you going to any of the California games? Hope so.

Should be a good year once the guys are back.

 
palestra38 
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Re: Harvard Season Preview - StheS Podcast
11-07-18 02:52 PM - Post#264661    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

"Should be a good year IF the guys are back."


 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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11-07-18 03:43 PM - Post#264678    
    In response to palestra38

No, Harvard’s depth means it will be a good year regardless. However, it will be a great year. As explained, I’m patient and in no need of coddling assurances.

 
palestra38 
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11-07-18 04:03 PM - Post#264683    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Good luck. Harvard SHOULD win. But I'll be up there for the Penn-Harvard game good or bad.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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11-07-18 04:36 PM - Post#264697    
    In response to palestra38


Anyone else impressed by Kirkwood and Djuricic? Looking forward to facing better competition this week as they will see minutes.

 
TheLine 
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11-07-18 04:54 PM - Post#264703    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Who did you play?

Djuricic passed my eye test last year. So did Kirkwood's play at HS though not 100% sure how it plays out at the collegiate level this year. With no Aiken or Towns I suppose you find out sooner rather than later.

Harvard is the one team in the league right now with the depth to absorb injuries. They may have competition soon on that front but not yet.


 
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