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rbg 
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10-16-18 11:35 AM - Post#262721    

The Ivy League's media preseason poll just came out:

https://ivyleague.com/news/2018/10/16/harva rd-tabb...

1. Harvard 137 points (12 first place votes)
2. Penn 122 points (5 first place votes)
3. Yale 115 points (1 first place votes)
4. Princeton 92 points
5. Brown 64 points
6. Cornell 54 points
7. Columbia 43 points
8. Dartmouth 21 points

 
T.P.F.K.A.D.W. 
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Re: Ivy League Preseason Media Poll
10-16-18 12:54 PM - Post#262729    
    In response to rbg

"Harvard has been picked TO DEFEND ITS IVY LEAGUE CROWN in the 2018-19 Ivy League Men’s Basketball Preseason Media Poll."

Barf.

 
weinhauers_ghost 
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Re: Ivy League Preseason Media Poll
10-16-18 01:23 PM - Post#262736    
    In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.

  • T.P.F.K.A.D.W. Said:
"Harvard has been picked TO DEFEND ITS IVY LEAGUE CROWN in the 2018-19 Ivy League Men’s Basketball Preseason Media Poll."

Barf.



Revisionist history strikes again. In what alternate universe did we not win the tournament final?

 
palestra38 
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Re: Ivy League Preseason Media Poll
10-16-18 01:25 PM - Post#262738    
    In response to weinhauers_ghost

As we all know, only the regular season determines the League Champion. Any post-season game determines only the NCAA participant.

However, a brutally terrible call at Yale allowed Harvard to backdoor into the claim of a title.

 
SomeGuy 
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Re: Ivy League Preseason Media Poll
10-16-18 03:00 PM - Post#262753    
    In response to palestra38

Well, without the traditional one game playoff, were they even the regular season champ? Looks like two 12-2 teams to me, which traditionally is a tie for the title necessitating a playoff.

Maybe the headline can be switched to “Harvard Picked to Defend Their Top Seeding in the Ivy Tournament.”

 
PennFan10 
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10-16-18 03:00 PM - Post#262754    
    In response to palestra38

Was it not a shared title? Harvard got the 1 seed for the ILT

 
palestra38 
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10-16-18 03:01 PM - Post#262755    
    In response to PennFan10

Under Ivy rules, it was indeed a shared title.

 
PennFan10 
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10-16-18 03:01 PM - Post#262756    
    In response to PennFan10

I think we were 2-1 vs Harvard last year. But that doesn’t matter either.

 
penn nation 
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10-16-18 03:45 PM - Post#262759    
    In response to PennFan10

We danced; they nitted.

 
whitakk 
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10-16-18 08:50 PM - Post#262767    
    In response to penn nation

Based on point totals, all but two voters picked HYPP as the top four in some order.

 
Bruno 
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10-16-18 10:31 PM - Post#262769    
    In response to whitakk

Pretty clear separation between the top and bottom halves. Don’t think we’ve seen this definitive of a split in the prior two tournament years.
LET'S go BRU-no (duh. nuh. nuh-nuh-nuh)


 
rbg 
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10-17-18 09:29 AM - Post#262811    
    In response to Bruno

Women's preseason medial poll is out.

https://ivyleague.com/news/2018/10/16/princ eton-se...

1. Princeton 133 points (14 first place votes)
2. Penn 107 points (2 first place votes)
3. Harvard 104 points (1 first place votes)
4. Yale 89 points
5. Brown 66 points
6. Dartmouth 55 points
7. Columbia 30 points
8. Cornell 28 points

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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10-17-18 09:41 AM - Post#262816    
    In response to rbg

Looks like Brown is expected to be the squad fighting to break HYPP in both men's and women's.

 
rbg 
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10-17-18 10:10 AM - Post#262822    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Looking at the top 4 teams in both groups, strong defense seems to be the common thread.

For Brown, the men and women have much better offense than defense. Last year, the Brown women were 12-1 in non-conference but lost one of its leading scorers to a knee injury just before the start of the conference. They ended up going 3-11 in the conference.

For Brown to make a run at both 4 spots and break up the HYPP grouping, at a minimum, they must have their starters stay healthy.

 
Quakers03 
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Re: Ivy League Preseason Media Poll
10-17-18 11:54 AM - Post#262840    
    In response to palestra38

  • palestra38 Said:
However, a brutally terrible call at Yale allowed Harvard to backdoor into the claim of a title.


I'd be lying if I said I don't think about where the 2019 ILT would played had that game not been handed on a silver platter to Yale. Forget the final call, that was the worst officiated game of the last 5 years and to think that bad calls potentially took the game away from the Palestra stinks. Maybe they had planned to move it all along, but Penn winning as a BS 2-seed didn't help.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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10-19-18 11:25 AM - Post#263051    
    In response to Quakers03

CBS Sports today names Harvard as one of the Cinderalla squads who could surprise in NCAA basketball tournament. (Actually, #7 of the 11 named potential ball crashers.) NBC Sports also just named Harvard as one of 10 midmajors most likely to impact the tournament (ala Loyola-Chicago)

For how many years can a league, let alone a team, be considered a "surprise?"

If the Crimson reach the NCAA's these next two years, I can't believe that any Power 5 wants that draw. I suspect the committee will scheme to pit the Crimson against another midmajor to avoid an unfortunate result. I've been impressed by how Harvard has often played up to quality opponent in recent years, including Kentucky (-9), Minnesota (-10), Marquette (-7), Kansas (-6), Oklahoma (-12) and UNC (-2). That doesn't include NCAA wins over New Mexico and Cincy and in season tournament victories over BYU, Auburn and Florida St. Of course, Harvard has laid an egg on occasion too (UVA, St. Mary's), but Amaker seems to be able to coach his team up to the level of a ranked opponent often enough to scare any NCAA opponent. I hope that Bryce and Seth are healthy enough and that the rotation is set early enough so that Harvard can give UNC (Jan 2) and St. Mary's (Nov 24) a scare.

Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 10-19-18 11:39 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
palestra38 
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10-19-18 11:31 AM - Post#263052    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Still counting chickens, I see. That being said, it's far more likely that they will do to Harvard what they did to Penn--underseed them and send them to play a top 10 team in their home

 
mrjames 
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10-19-18 11:39 AM - Post#263054    
    In response to palestra38

FWIW, if Harvard can't be competitive to get to the tourney on its own merits with the changes that have been made to the metrics (leave aside committee behavior), it's likely not good enough to do the damage that folks are excited about it doing anyway.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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10-19-18 11:54 AM - Post#263056    
    In response to palestra38

These fowls were hatched by NBC and CBS.

 
AntiUngvar 
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10-19-18 05:27 PM - Post#263075    
    In response to palestra38

Harvard won't be underseeded, as they'll be #1 seed and winner of a tournament played in NewHaven. When you're the number two seed in a tournament played on your home court, then you deserve to be sent to Kansas- a place where they count chickens with the best of them!


 
Tiger69 
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10-19-18 07:16 PM - Post#263079    
    In response to AntiUngvar

Never a good sign for a team to be anointed champion even before the season begins. I await H’s collapse. I also like that Princeton is regarded lightly as I believe that, with the addition of its highly regarded freshman guard plus the experience gained by its sophs last year, the team will outperform expectations. I am looking forward to this year’s Ivy race.🐅😈

 
Quakers03 
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Ivy League Preseason Media Poll
10-19-18 11:00 PM - Post#263092    
    In response to AntiUngvar

Ivy Champs

Remember when Columbia led Penn at the high school gym 54-50 with 7 minutes to go and then gave up an 18-0 run after one of their players pulled a chicken bleep move thinking he was tough?

Remember when Penn was robbed of the 1-seed by joke fowls at the site of the new tourney?

 
AntiUngvar 
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10-20-18 11:56 AM - Post#263110    
    In response to Quakers03

There's absolutely no basis for suggesting the officials robbed anyone in New Haven that night- instead of whining about referees, why not scrutinize SteveDonahue's strategy to begin fouling Yale at a time when his team had momentum and could have/ should have won going away. And I'd ask what the size of Levien Gym or how Penn's victory there last winter should have mattered in assessing them as better than a 16 seed; but, and as the great Chuck Daly essentially told that other Daily Pennsylvanian boy wonder, you don't know what you don't know (and you don't want to know).


 
palestra38 
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10-20-18 12:25 PM - Post#263112    
    In response to AntiUngvar

I was an XPN broadcaster, not a DP reporter (my daughter was both a sports reporter and editor for the DP). And while Chuck Daly was right--as a 20 year old, I really didn't know anything about basketball, if YOU knew anything about basketball and/or saw that Penn-Yale game, you knew Penn got jobbed, although I agree with you (and complained about it on the board then)that it was ridiculous to foul and give them a chance to win, instead of just tie with a contested 3. Still, it was an Ivy League tie--the second seed was based on ridiculous seeding rules (you should be seeded higher if you lose to a better team rather than a worse team like Columbia). Anyway, we won last year and did so fair and square. I have no problem with the tournament moving---just not to a high school sized gym that cannot possibly hold the number of people who will want to go. If it is to be played in Connecticut, they should play it at Fairfield or Bridgeport.

 
AntiUngvar 
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10-20-18 04:08 PM - Post#263121    
    In response to palestra38

Unacceptable, particularly from someone guilty of fan bias, to casually use words like "jobbed" in relation to game officials. Referees are part of the game, like players and coaches; and are as capable of human error as players and coaches often are.
I don't think Donahue went in to that game in New Haven trying to blow it- though that's precisely what he managed to do.


 
PennFan10 
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10-20-18 05:55 PM - Post#263127    
    In response to AntiUngvar

Donahue was coach of the year wasn’t he? The startegy didn’t work but I’ll take him over Amaker as an in game coach every time.

 
AntiUngvar 
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10-20-18 06:41 PM - Post#263128    
    In response to PennFan10

I'd say both men you mention (without comparing the two) have compiled impressive bodies of coaching work over a fairly significant time period.


 
rbg 
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10-31-18 08:14 AM - Post#263881    
    In response to AntiUngvar

The Harvard Crimson has a recap of the men's coaches round table discussion from last week.

https://www.thecrimson.com/article/2018/10/27/mb b-...

https://ivyleague.com/news/2018/10/23/ivy-l eague-m...

 
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