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Bruno 
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10-21-18 10:22 PM - Post#263174    

Last time we finished higher than that was 2013 at 13th. imagine what next year could look like.

Team rankings - and spread - mirror the Ivy preseason poll pretty well.
LET'S go BRU-no (duh. nuh. nuh-nuh-nuh)


 
whitakk 
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Re: Ivy opening at 14th on Kenpom
10-21-18 10:44 PM - Post#263176    
    In response to Bruno

  • Bruno Said:
Team rankings - and spread - mirror the Ivy preseason poll pretty well.




The Penn board might not see things the same way...

 
whitakk 
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Re: Ivy opening at 14th on Kenpom
10-21-18 10:44 PM - Post#263177    
    In response to Bruno

  • Bruno Said:
Team rankings - and spread - mirror the Ivy preseason poll pretty well.




The Penn board might not see things the same way...

 
penn nation 
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Re: Ivy opening at 14th on Kenpom
10-21-18 10:58 PM - Post#263179    
    In response to whitakk

Of late, KenPom has tended to overrate Princeton and underrate Penn. So this is par for the course.

Edited by penn nation on 10-21-18 10:58 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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11-22-18 10:36 AM - Post#266787    
    In response to penn nation

No 2 bid Ivy. With the exception of Brown, Ivy teams have lost the last 10 games. No top 100 KP teams (Harvard #101)



 
mrjames 
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11-22-18 11:07 AM - Post#266788    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

League has still been deceptively strong at the top. Harvard (66), Yale (65), Penn (62) all are playing well from a game score perspective - we haven't had Ivies throw up an average game score in the 60s in November since 11/2015.

I know expectations vary around here and that we haven't seen a dominant November team since 2012 and 2014 Harvard, which is feeling like a long, long time ago now.

But we've seen a bunch of highly competitive Tier I and II games from four different Ivy teams. I'm incredibly disappointed in what I've seen out of Princeton, but otherwise, there's a strong top three (with two of the three apparently deep enough to still be strong while overcoming key injuries), a few fun, frisky teams in Dartmouth, Brown and Cornell and a Columbia team that we knew would be pretty bad. All in all, I feel marginally positive about what I've seen thus far.

 
1LotteryPick1969 
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11-23-18 07:15 AM - Post#266808    
    In response to mrjames

  • mrjames Said:
I'm incredibly disappointed in what I've seen out of Princeton



Imagine how we Princeton fans feel..........

 
JadwinGeorge 
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11-23-18 12:35 PM - Post#266814    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

The Tigers lost one starter, the redoubtable Amir Bell, last year's DPOY. Admittedly, the starting line-up means little for a team that has played 12 and 13 players in its two Dl games this season. When Jaelin Llewellyn finally heals he will take over the Bell role at PG. As good as he may be he won't be much of an upgrade, especially on a team with limited options after Cannady and Stephens. At this point Princeton can't compete with Harvard, Yale and Penn. And, it troubles me to say, the other 4 teams beat the Tigers once last season. This should be a helluva battle for the fourth spot in the Ivy tourney.

 
bradley 
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11-23-18 08:27 PM - Post#266836    
    In response to JadwinGeorge

Still a long way to go regarding the Tigers and the rest of the league. I am not suggesting that Henderson's crew will get it together but one simply does not know until Jaelin is on the floor after a few games.

From a visual only perspective, the league appears to be playing somewhat better than the beginning of last year but every team already has at least two non-conference losses and nobody has beaten a quality team.

Hopefully, we are not heading down the road of another #16 seed team but it is way too early to know. I would not be surprised if IL women's basketball outperforms the men at the end of the day.

 
PennFan10 
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11-24-18 02:00 AM - Post#266846    
    In response to bradley

Best wins in the league so far are Penn’s Win over Northern Iowa and @George Mason and Harvard over UMass. Yale v Memphis, Dartmouth v Davidson and Harvard v USF would have been the best wins that ended up as close losses

 
mrjames 
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11-24-18 09:28 AM - Post#266849    
    In response to PennFan10

Neutral vs. Northern Iowa is a bit of a stretch relative to the other two and if you’re throwing that in, you have to add Cornell at NJIT and Yale over Cal in China.

 
Silver Maple 
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11-24-18 11:32 AM - Post#266858    
    In response to mrjames

If Princeton continues to play as dreadfully as it has to this point, considering also how they did last season, I have to wonder if Henderson's job won't be in jeopardy. Princeton seems to have recruited pretty successfully over the past few years, and one could argue that they should be doing better.

 
mrjames 
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11-24-18 01:54 PM - Post#266864    
    In response to Silver Maple

Can't imagine that Mitch is in any trouble (we are just a season-plus removed from a dominant Princeton team that came *this* close to knocking off Notre Dame in R64).

Also - much like Yale with 4-star Bruner - hard to credit Princeton for great recruiting and then knock the performance when the crown jewel of the recent classes hasn't seen the floor yet (not that I think Princeton will go from a 200ish team to Top 100 with just one player no matter how amazing - the rest of the team needs to step it up as well).

Maybe Princeton folks have a different take, but I think Mitch is one of the safest coaches in this league.

 
JadwinGeorge 
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11-24-18 02:25 PM - Post#266865    
    In response to mrjames

I agree that speculation on Henderson's job status is silly at this point. But the malaise that enveloped this team, starting with abysmal play against Lehigh LAST YEAR and continuing in the early part of this season, is troubling. I am starting to wonder if the last two recruiting classes have been overrated. None of those players have shown "go to guy" promise. Henderson's substitution "pattern" is more like a revolving door than part of a strategic scheme. The Tigers go in to this afternoon's contest at 0-6 Monmouth as 2 point favorites. My, how the mighty have fallen.

 
AntiUngvar 
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Ivy opening at 14th on Kenpom
11-24-18 02:55 PM - Post#266868    
    In response to Silver Maple

Definitely no time to pay a shiva call on Princeton's season or for Coach Henderson, a man's who's won 20 or more games in four different coaching seasons at his alma mater. Before putting hyperbole on paper take the time to learn that Princeton's had a Pete Carril disciple at the helm since 1996, the year Pepe retired. That's simply the way they do things down there, and testament to how much Coach Carril STILL matters to the school's athletic program; and that's certainly not about to change, on the basis of some ill-considered, subliminal suggestion.


Edited by AntiUngvar on 11-24-18 02:58 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
palestra38 
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Re: Ivy opening at 14th on Kenpom
11-24-18 05:20 PM - Post#266889    
    In response to AntiUngvar

Is this the way you talk in real life?

 
AntiUngvar 
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11-24-18 05:40 PM - Post#266892    
    In response to palestra38

Well after all, I am a dinosaur.


 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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11-24-18 07:16 PM - Post#266909    
    In response to AntiUngvar

Coaches who preside over undefeated seasons don't get sacked just 2 years later. More likely, Princeton will benefit from the likely diminished interest in others who might have been trying to lure Coach Henderson away.

 
AntiUngvar 
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11-24-18 10:43 PM - Post#266931    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Good point, HDG, though not sure why you're directing it to me. I certainly wouldn't want to see Henderson gone, for all that's been stated above; and because he started on Pete Carril's final team in '96, that entered March Madness as a 13 seed and beat defending national champion, UCLA, in the first round.


 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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11-24-18 11:01 PM - Post#266934    
    In response to AntiUngvar

Meant to just add it to the dialogue. Not intended at you.

Princeton is a team with little depth. Things will improve once players are healthy. Lack of depth will likely limit upside though, especially on Ivy League Saturday's

 
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