whitakk
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11-24-18 11:49 PM - Post#266936
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
I've long thought Henderson was better than he got credit for, so to me it's crazy to talk about his job after what's really been five bad weeks (three last February and two so far this year), as bad as those five weeks have been.
It is really hard to be optimistic about the program's post-Class of 2019 future though, Jaelin or no Jaelin. Player development has been this program's calling card, but they need to develop some more talent fast.
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SomeGuy
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11-25-18 12:16 AM - Post#266941
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
I’m not sure if it’s that they lack depth, or if they are just a collection of unmatched parts. They seem like they should have depth. They’ve got plenty of bigs who were pretty highly touted, but they don’t seem to have enough guys who play both offense and defense. I understand that they were hurting at PG with a few injuries early on, but they still had two guys who were pretty highly touted PGs in Wright and Reynoso-Avila, plus Bagin. A bad mix (or a lack of depth) reflects on Henderson to a degree, but he’s figured this stuff out before.
For now, I think i’d play my best defenders with Cannady and Stephens and hope for the best.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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11-25-18 12:21 AM - Post#266943
In response to SomeGuy
Has Princeton had an impact big since Kareem Maddox? Not a role player, but a difference maker.
To my eye, other than Aririzugoh and Stephens (who is listed as a guard), the current bigs may have been touted, but the just aren't that athletic.
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SomeGuy
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11-25-18 10:56 AM - Post#266965
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Ian Hummer and Hans Brase are probably the best two way guys with size that they’ve had since Maddox.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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11-25-18 11:01 AM - Post#266966
In response to SomeGuy
Clearly, both are excellent players.
I think of Hummer as a 6'7" forward, rather than a true big. Brase qualifies, although he liked to play offense away from the basket. Of course, that could be due in part to the Princeton offense preferring to keep the lane clear.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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Ivy opening at 14th on Kenpom
11-27-18 01:36 AM - Post#267182
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
By the way, Mike James was right. The first NCAA Rankings are out using their new cryptic and not disclosed NET system. Ohio State is #1! Pitt is #23 and San Francisco #25. One loss Kentucky is #61.
What an ignorant mess.
Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 11-27-18 01:36 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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westcoast
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Re: Ivy opening at 14th on Kenpom
12-02-18 02:54 AM - Post#267772
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
After some solid wins today, the Ivy League has moved up to 13th in KenPom, passing Conference USA. Two teams are in the Top 100 (Yale - 88, Harvard - 93), and three more in the Top 200 (Penn - 140, Princeton - 161, Brown - 180).
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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12-02-18 11:09 AM - Post#267783
In response to westcoast
League performance was expected to be strong due to aging of key players into upperclassmen. Surprise is that performance comes with 5 former All Ivy players injured (Towns, Aiken, Betley, Cannady and now Lewis) and with Gettings transferring.
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SomeGuy
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12-02-18 01:44 PM - Post#267804
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Junior class is crazy good. Even with all those guys hurt or gone (and all would be juniors except Cannady), almost half of the starting players in the league are juniors. Should make for an even better year next year.
On the other side, interesting that as of yesterday’s games, Bryce Washington is the only freshman in the league who started in his team’s last game.
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AntiUngvar
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12-02-18 04:07 PM - Post#267814
In response to SomeGuy
Washington, D.C. frosh Ike Nweke's started every game in the frontcourt for Columbia, including this afternoon versus Delaware.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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12-02-18 08:05 PM - Post#267827
In response to AntiUngvar
Although not starting, Harvard has 3 freshmen in the current 10 man rotation.
Although likely not planned, it's a nice opportunity to see what they have.
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SomeGuy
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12-02-18 11:56 PM - Post#267837
In response to AntiUngvar
Incorrect. Starters against St. Joe were Tape, Killingsworth, Stefanini, Bibbs, and Smith.
Nweke did start today, so now two Ivy freshmen have started their team’s last game. But as of yesterday, that was not the case.
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AntiUngvar
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12-03-18 12:58 PM - Post#267876
In response to SomeGuy
SomeGuy:
Any true Penn fan knows there's little import to the recently played Stockton game; similarly, while Columbia did play St. Joseph's, they weren't playing the St. Joseph's Hawks from Philadelphia- the St. Joseph's you read about is a Division-3 institution in New York. So Columbia's played against five Division-1 opponents, to date, and freshman Ike Nweke from Washington, D.C. has started each of those games. That's all you need to know.
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mrjames
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12-05-18 10:58 AM - Post#268103
In response to AntiUngvar
Possibly more that I'm forgetting, but this is the 3rd time this decade that two Ivy schools have beaten the same Power 5 school in the same season and they're all ACC schools:
2010-11: Yale and Harvard over BC (arguably those two losses kept BC out of the tourney that year)
2011-12: Harvard and Princeton over FSU (FSU went on to be a 3-seed in the tourney)
2018-19: Yale and Penn over Miami (Miami should be in the at-large conversation still)
For all the worry early on, Ivies have cobbled together an okay set of resume wins thus far:
2 Tier I wins - Yale@Miami, Harvard@St.Mary's
2 Tier II wins - Penn vs Miami, Harvard@UMass
Now, there have been a ton of disappointments (Dartmouth@Davidson, Harvard@URI, Yale@Memphis, Harvard@USF) where a final possession that went differently could have dropped in some more Tier I or Tier II wins, but as a conference, we're at 11th at Bart's site, which is a record high for us.
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Streamers
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12-05-18 12:39 PM - Post#268115
In response to mrjames
FYI Kenpom has Miami at 40 and Penn up to 123 today.
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Jeff2sf
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12-05-18 01:44 PM - Post#268119
In response to Streamers
man, being top 100 is tougher than i thought*
pre-season adjustment caveat blah blah blah
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QHoops
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12-05-18 01:45 PM - Post#268120
In response to mrjames
Mike -
Any way to tell if this is the first time a power conference team has dropped consecutive games to Ivy opponents?
In the 'modern era', I would think so, although if you wind back the clock to the 'Eastern Basketball' days, it's not hard to imagine Columbia and Penn or Princeton beating a St. John's or a Rutgers back to back
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mrjames
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12-05-18 01:53 PM - Post#268124
In response to QHoops
Great Q - I don't have the opponents' schedules loaded in, so I don't know, but maybe one of our resident historians on the boards happens to know?
As for Penn, at Bart's site, which gave Penn a higher preseason rank than KP and has a quicker fade on the anchor those preseason ranks provide, the Quakers are now in the Top 100. That's why we're 11th at Bart vs. 13th at KP.
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Jeff2sf
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12-05-18 01:55 PM - Post#268125
In response to mrjames
i can't change from kenpom.com. it's so easy to type in. Bookmark? nah.
i'm just too old, the quakers are 123 whether I like it or not.
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Chip Bayers
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Ivy opening at 14th on Kenpom
12-06-18 01:22 AM - Post#268183
In response to Jeff2sf
Bad night for the league tonight, Yale excepted.
Edited by Chip Bayers on 12-06-18 01:22 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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