HARVARDDADGRAD
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Ivy opening at 14th on Kenpom 12-07-18 12:25 AM - Post#268237
In response to Chip Bayers
OK, here we go: Yale at Duke, 5:30 Saturday
Least expensive ticket on Stubhub is $184 (+ fees)
Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 12-07-18 12:28 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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PennFan10
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12-07-18 12:37 AM - Post#268238
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
you goin?
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penn nation
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Re: Ivy opening at 14th on Kenpom 12-07-18 12:37 AM - Post#268239
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Clearly clamoring to see good competition.
The Ivy League is 2-1 against the ACC heading into this one.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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Ivy opening at 14th on Kenpom 12-07-18 12:52 AM - Post#268241
In response to penn nation
Saving my ff miles for Harvard at UNC in January.
Who guards Zion? Would have liked to see Zion vs Zena! You reading this Z?
Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 12-07-18 12:54 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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SomeGuy
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Re: Ivy opening at 14th on Kenpom 12-09-18 12:55 AM - Post#268372
In response to Bruno
With Dartmouth’s win tonight, no Ivy team is in the bottom 100 in Pomeroy. Rising tide.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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12-14-18 12:26 PM - Post#269106
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
As most Ivy schools approach exams, some Ivy basketball ratings (KP, Torvik) seem to bunch HYP(Penn) in a battle for the top with the bunching being within the advantage given to HCA. Should make for some very exciting contests.
After a gap in the rankings, Princeton and Brown are virtually neck and neck for the 4th spot, with Dartmouth lurking behind, and then a further gap before Columbia and Cornell.
Now that Princeton appears to have Llewellyn, I assume that Princeton will begin to rise. As for Harvard, the same would be true depending on if and when Aiken and Towns return. On the other hand, although Columbia played well in its first game without Mike Smith, it can be expected that the Lions will suffer. I think that makes 4 or 5 anticipated contributors that won't be there for Columbia.
Overall, 2019 is shaping up to be very competitive, with a host of unknowns. One thing we do know is that Yale gets to host the Tournament. As Yale is likely in the running for the regular season title, the impact of holding the Tournament at a participating school could mean that HCA could influence - or dictate - the league's NCAA representative. Wonder how the powers that be will see that situation, or if they will care.
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Jeff2sf
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12-14-18 10:30 PM - Post#269124
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
they absolutely don't care. they didn't with penn going into the 2nd year (maybe you could argue it was reasonable to think penn wouldn't make tourney 1st year, but last year had to know it was likely and more likely than not wouldn't be 1 seed.)
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mrjames
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12-15-18 02:59 PM - Post#269158
In response to Jeff2sf
Dusted off some code to pull out the best wins from this year - SITE-ADJUSTED. Here they are (Game, Venue, Game Score). (NOTE: Game Score is adjusted regardless of margin to represent what winning by 1 would equal, so this is just the quality of win regardless of margin):
1. Harvard-St. Mary's, A, 92
2. Yale-Miami, N, 89
3. Penn-Miami, H, 81
4. Harvard-UMass, A, 79
5. Penn-Villanova, H, 79
6. Penn-George Mason, A, 60
7. Cornell-NJIT, A, 59
8. Penn-UNI, N, 57
9. Harvard-Holy Cross, 49
10. Penn-La Salle, A, 48
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PennFan10
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12-15-18 03:38 PM - Post#269165
In response to mrjames
So of the top 10 best wins Penn has 5, Harvard 3, Yale and Cornell 1 each.
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mrjames
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12-15-18 04:47 PM - Post#269167
In response to PennFan10
Assuming the NET converges to the popular ranking systems, the key numbers to keep an eye on are 83 and 68. That's a decent rule of thumb cutoff for what will be Tier I and Tier II wins.
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whitakk
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12-15-18 06:58 PM - Post#269174
In response to mrjames
Does Yale get semi-road credit here or is it treated as pure neutral?
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PennFan10
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12-15-18 07:14 PM - Post#269176
In response to whitakk
KenPom says "semi road"
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penn nation
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12-15-18 07:31 PM - Post#269177
In response to PennFan10
Big steal and conversion by Temple in OT vs Davidson. That will make Temple's profile even stronger when Penn plays them.
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penn nation
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12-15-18 08:47 PM - Post#269182
In response to mrjames
Just finished watching the first half of Iowa-UNI. One of the worst offensive performances by a team I've seen in some time.
Have to wonder if that Penn win over UNI stays in the Top Ten by season's end.
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mrjames
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12-15-18 11:04 PM - Post#269193
In response to whitakk
Bart had it as neutral, so that’s what it read out as. Other sites do have it as semi-away, so it would be slightly higher as a win if it were counted as semi-away.
Also, Bart and KP disagree on some teams, so if I had run this on KP’s numbers, for instance, Miami and Villanova would be in completely different places (Villanova much higher than Miami - potentially better than semi-away over Miami and close to road over St. Mary’s).
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weinhauers_ghost
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12-15-18 11:37 PM - Post#269196
In response to mrjames
I was wondering why Penn's win over Miami was rated higher than the win over Villanova.
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penn nation
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Ivy opening at 14th on Kenpom 12-15-18 11:42 PM - Post#269197
In response to weinhauers_ghost
Especially seeing as 3 of the 4 teams Nova has lost to remain undefeated (with the 4th, Penn, having lost only twice).
My beef--not new--is that Penn-Nova analytically should only be considered a semi-home game for Penn (as opposed to straight home), if only because Big Five opponents are used to the Palestra floor and that it's usually far from an overwhelming fan advantage for Penn.
Edited by penn nation on 12-15-18 11:43 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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palestra38
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Re: Ivy opening at 14th on Kenpom 12-16-18 07:31 AM - Post#269203
In response to penn nation
That's not correct---there is a huge difference between playing that game at the Palestra or at the Pavillion. It's a home game.
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penn nation
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Re: Ivy opening at 14th on Kenpom 12-16-18 11:23 AM - Post#269212
In response to palestra38
Of course there is. But that’s not the point of comparison. The question is rather How Is This ‘Home’ Gane Different From All Other ‘Home’ Games?
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palestra38
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Re: Ivy opening at 14th on Kenpom 12-16-18 01:38 PM - Post#269220
In response to penn nation
It was clearly a Penn home crowd---and frankly, that was a bit unexpected. We finally brought out the students and you know, I think a lot of them will be back! Too bad both Princeton games are on break. That Princeton change of schedule (still 2 years away) cannot happen soon enough.
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