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TigerFan 
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01-12-19 06:12 PM - Post#272330    
    In response to Streamers

Did the Tigers prove anything to you today Streamers?

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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01-12-19 06:14 PM - Post#272332    
    In response to SRP

Reports of Princeton's demise were apparently premature.

Princeton did have some issues playing without Cannady and Lewellyn early on. Then Stephens got hurt.

 
Streamers 
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Streamers
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01-12-19 07:44 PM - Post#272343    
    In response to TigerFan

Princeton affirmed what I thought of them a week ago. They have 7 guys who can play with anyone in the league. Cannady and Stephens are really good. Much, Morales and DeRosiers are excellent role players and Llewelyn is a work in progress. RA at the 5 is the secret sauce on offense, with his inside game although he is not great defensively. He and Stephens killed Penn on the offensive boards. That (and the inability to make good shots) did Penn in. Give Henderson much credit for a defensive scheme that really messed up Penn’s motion stuff. I have not seen Brown or Harvard this year, but Yale will give the Tigers more trouble than Penn did.

 
SRP 
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01-12-19 09:04 PM - Post#272360    
    In response to Streamers

Yale will give everyone more trouble.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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01-12-19 10:04 PM - Post#272395    
    In response to SRP

What are the odds that by the open of weekend play favorites Penn, Yale and Harvard will be winless and tied for last? We're halfway there.

 
JadwinGeorge 
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01-12-19 10:12 PM - Post#272398    
    In response to Streamers

Yale will give everyone more trouble...12-2 would not be a surprise from that club

 
Chip Bayers 
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01-12-19 10:12 PM - Post#272399    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

The Penn and Harvard losses make the upcoming Yale-Brown games next week and the week after so intriguing. By Pomeroy Brown should definitely be in the thick of it for a playoff spot; if they win at least one of these next two it could turn into a free-for-all for the four spots at Payne-Whitney.


 
bradley 
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01-12-19 10:15 PM - Post#272400    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Most teams could still be 1-1 after the head to head games other than obviously Penn. If either Yale or Brown are 2-0 after their head to head, watch out for that team.

Three games -- three upsets based on the predictions. I sometimes wonder if the analytics are lagging vs. leading indicators. The pt spreads today for both games seemed excesssive based on how these teams have been recently played based on eyes versus the numbers. The total point prediction for the Palestra game appeared to be grossly excessive based on the game at Jadwin and how hard and well both teams played defense.

 
westcoast 
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02-01-19 12:33 AM - Post#274331    
    In response to bradley

As of late night on January 31, the Ivy League is now ranked #11 on KenPom, just slightly ahead of the Atlantic 10 and the Mountain West.

 
whitakk 
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02-01-19 11:21 PM - Post#274686    
    In response to westcoast

55-43, 60-58, 65-49 not exactly the prettiest showcase of that ranking today...

D-I average is 74ppg this year, Ivies have reached that in three of 24 tries so far.

Reminds me of 2015 (actually the last year the Ivy was quite good as a whole), when there were a lot of good defenses and a lot of ugly games.

 
mrjames 
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02-06-19 10:11 PM - Post#275293    
    In response to whitakk

Possibly for a fleeting moment... the Ivy League is No. 10 at KenPom.

 
PennFan10 
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02-06-19 11:14 PM - Post#275295    
    In response to mrjames

we’ll take it and remind all of those naysayers who mocked some of us who thought it could happen.....even if briefly.

 
westcoast 
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02-07-19 12:22 AM - Post#275299    
    In response to mrjames

And a few hours later, back to #11. But the numbers between the Ivy and the Southern are so close that it will probably be switching back and forth for the rest of the season.

 
mrjames 
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02-07-19 10:49 AM - Post#275329    
    In response to westcoast

It is interesting to see that if you look at the leagues around us, here's how many seniors they have of the five players on the KP All-Conference team:

4
9) MAC
10) SoCon

3
13) MWC
14) Fun Belt

1
8) WCC
11) Ivy

0
12) A10

Should be a decent chance to hold or climb next year, as well.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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02-07-19 11:23 AM - Post#275330    
    In response to westcoast

Big weekend. A few key questions that come to my mind:

- Princeton (4-0): do either of Cannady or Lewellyn play? After games at Yale and then Brown, will Princeton retain the lead (6-0 or 5-1) or drop to 4-2?
- Yale (3-1): will Yale rebound from a loss at Harvard and re-establish itself as the favorite by beating the P's at home?
- Harvard (3-1): at Lavietes for third consecutive week, can the Crimson exhibit the defensive intensity that has allowed only 51.7 ppg in that stretch? Key question: can Justin Bassey handle Morgan and Stefanini the way he thwarted Cambridge and Oni (en route to co-POW)? Finally, is there a Seth Towns sighting?
- Cornell (2-2): Can Big Red emerge from Dartmouth and Harvard at .500 or better? Key weekend for them in quest for tournament.
- Penn (1-3): Tough weekend at Yale and Brown. Penn fans seem focused on whether Max can contribute this weekend. Can Penn right the ship or at least win a big one at Brown? Dangerous road games as Quakers do not want to dig a hole again, this time at 1-5.
- Columbia (1-3): Can Columbia finish off what could be a close contest at Dartmouth for a much needed win? Can Columbia muster the red hot shooting it will likely need to win at Lavietes? Tape will be busy with Chris Knight and Chris Lewis.
- Brown (1-3): Time to see what Brown is made of. Hosting depleted Princeton and out of sync Penn gives Brown opportunity to jump back into the tournament race. Loss(es) at home will certainly hurt bigly. Key question: does Desmond Cambridge figure things out? Tough to win when your leading scorer shoots 1-10+. Does Anderson return?
- Dartmouth (1-3): With two games at home against Penn and Princeton, this weekend could end Dartmouth's playoff hopes. Does the shooting touch return?

Summary:
- Harvard and Yale can solidify positions at top of the league, possibly both at 5-1;
- Princeton incurs first loss(es);
- Cornell must win at Dartmouth to stay in top half at 3-3. Sweep by Big Red would be huge;
- Chance for Brown or Penn to make a move - big game Friday in Providence;
- Columbia and Dartmouth are hanging on but could emerge at 1-5 and likely a tremendous long shot for the tournament.

Weekends like this are what Ivy Basketball is all about!

 
AntiUngvar 
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02-07-19 11:44 AM - Post#275336    
    In response to PennFan10

  • PennFan10 Said:
we’ll take it and remind all of those naysayers who mocked some of us who thought it could happen.....even if briefly.



Who's mocking you, Sam? Just want to see you back in the NBA where you belong- know you would have have never signed off on those Butler and Tobias moves as they went down, correct?


 
AntiUngvar 
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Ivy opening at 14th on Kenpom
02-07-19 11:57 AM - Post#275339    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Great work as always, HDG; and I can merely add or detract two cents to or from it: If Bassey can stand up against the best of Brown and Yale, then he'll find those guys from Cornell and Columbia to be a piece of New York State cheesecake, delivered to him straight from Junior's Restaurant in Brooklyn!
Also, I would hesitate to include Columbia in any basketball-related sentence with Dartmouth. Those two Dartmouth-Harvard games were more than entertaining; and really will continue to stand out on the Green's resume, no matter what else transpires during the next six weeks- on any given day, they can beat anyone in the IL, for sure; can't quite get myself to say the same about the Lions, as much as I'd love to!


Edited by AntiUngvar on 02-07-19 11:59 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
PennFan10 
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02-07-19 12:08 PM - Post#275340    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

HVG-great questions and summary of things to look for.

**Last bullet says "Dartmouth at home against Penn and Princeton..." Obviously you meant the C's not the P's.

I would be shocked if Cannaday plays this weekend. I don't think you bring him back without some sort of conclusion, which likely involves the courts and that's not a short term thing.

Penn fans should be focused on Mike Wang and the need for him to have 2 great games this weekend. Max will do what he does, but to beat Brown and Yale, we need Mike and 30+ pts from him this weekend.

Bassey is an elite defender, but no one is stopping Morgan. No one.

I had high expectations but Tape had a bad weekend last week against RA and AJ. Lewis and Knight won't make it any easier for him.

Speaking of which the level of play for the top bigs in the Ivy is insane. AJ, Richmond, Lewis, Knight, Atkinson/Bruner, and even Choh are all having outstanding seasons.



 
AntiUngvar 
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02-07-19 12:20 PM - Post#275343    
    In response to PennFan10

Two entire games played in 25 hours time conceivably can stop the best of us.


 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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02-07-19 12:50 PM - Post#275347    
    In response to PennFan10

Thanks for the correction. Yes, the C's travel to Cambridge/Hanover.

Other than Princeton at Brown on Saturday (6pm), all games tip off around 7pm. Too soon for meaningful scoreboard watching?

 
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