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Username Post: Devin Cannady        (Topic#21993)
bradley 
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10-25-18 08:37 PM - Post#263515    

Jeff Goodman just rated Devin as the #11 shooter in the country in his top 30 shooters nationwide -- only IL representative. Only player on the list that the Tigers will face is Tejeda from Lehigh, #27.

Devin's 3 pt% and FT% % slightly declined last year to 39% and 88% but he developd other parts to his offensive arsenal. He takes so many 3 pt shots and has been getting to the foul line more as he gets to the basket plus at game's end, he is money on the free throw line in a tight game.

Should be interesting if he can raise his one more notch in his senior year. Rebounding was another plus last year.

 
AntiUngvar 
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10-26-18 09:42 AM - Post#263531    
    In response to bradley

Columbia's Quinton Adlesh belongs on that list- he's at least in the same class or better than Cannady, at least as far as this particular skill is concerned; and his numbers (which will only get better) back up this non-toxic / fact based assertion!


 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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10-26-18 10:10 AM - Post#263535    
    In response to AntiUngvar

Seth Towns made 3's at a higher percentage than Cannady and at essentially the same rate as Adlesh last season. In conference, Seth was the by far the most accurate at 49.3%. Due to his other skills, Seth's shooting is understandably overlooked.

 
jadwinjungle 
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10-26-18 10:26 AM - Post#263536    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Towns and Adlesh are great 3pt shooters, but both are well behind Cannady in FT%, something he's been tops in the country in his whole career. Based on Goodman's list 3pt shooting wasn't the only stat that factored into the rankings

 
AntiUngvar 
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10-26-18 11:12 AM - Post#263553    
    In response to jadwinjungle

If QA were allowed more FGAs, that would result in more FTAs for him, too. Given such a scenario, my opinion is that he'd be at the top of both categories (FTPCT. and 3-PT., FGPCT.), nationally. THE best shooter in 44 years of Levien Gymnasium basketball- again, that's simply my non-toxic view of things.


 
palestra38 
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10-26-18 11:21 AM - Post#263554    
    In response to AntiUngvar

If you don't get your shot off, the fact that you shoot great when practicing at center court Levien is rather meaningless. I played for 3 years there during law school and if I may say so myself, I was a helluva shooter. Of course, the competition was suspect.

Cannady is a very very good player whose problem is that he broke down physically last year when asked to do too much with a much reduced front court. Towns is flat out the best player in the league (again, if healthy). QA? A nice player with one good year entering his senior year. Not in the class of the other two.

 
AntiUngvar 
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10-26-18 12:30 PM - Post#263578    
    In response to palestra38

Sir, I'm not referencing practice or PeterGreene's Lawyer's League. You can look it up yourself and see that he was in the top 15, nationally, NCAA MEN'S BBALL, 3POINT, FGPCT.


 
palestra38 
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Devin Cannady
10-26-18 12:40 PM - Post#263580    
    In response to AntiUngvar

I can see his numbers on collegebasketball-referen ce. They speak for themselves. Limited sample and played on a bad team. He's nowhere near the player that you have compared him with. That's all. ..if he took more shots he would not be in the same statistical category.

 
westcoast 
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10-26-18 12:46 PM - Post#263582    
    In response to AntiUngvar

Adlesh shot 68% on Free Throws last year, and is at 65.8% for his career. That is why he was probably not even considered for a list of the Top 30 Shooters in college basketball (the list is not Top 30 3 PT shooters) .

 
bradley 
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Re: Devin Cannady
10-26-18 01:41 PM - Post#263595    
    In response to palestra38

Goodman's comments as to selecting top 30 Shooters:

"we did some research, consulted with coaches in every league, pored over the numbers - and even watched some tape. We know there are some guys that can lay claim to inclusion on the list, but here"s Stadium's Top 30 Shooters in college basketball right now in honor of the top shooter in the world, Steph Curry and his jersey number, we are going to go 30 deep".

Obviously both a quantitative and qualitative assessment but I can understand why Cannady is on the list.

 
AntiUngvar 
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Re: Devin Cannady
10-26-18 04:26 PM - Post#263611    
    In response to palestra38

I'm not talking "players"- I'm talking "shooters", since Bradley's topic was shooters. Also, QA's had 2 consecutive,solid contributory seasons; his freshman year, you may recall Columbia had really outstanding upperclass guard play that led them to a 25 win season. Also, you call his shot attempts a small sample; but it was large enough a sample for the NCAA to include him among their statistical leaders, so it's certainly big enough for my purposes.


 
palestra38 
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Re: Devin Cannady
10-26-18 05:56 PM - Post#263620    
    In response to AntiUngvar

Not when you compare to players with far more shots and better percentages all around.

 
AntiUngvar 
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Re: Devin Cannady
10-26-18 06:36 PM - Post#263623    
    In response to palestra38

O.k., thanks. I respect your point of view. Let's see what happens this coming season!


 
Tiger69 
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Re: Devin Cannady
10-26-18 10:43 PM - Post#263626    
    In response to AntiUngvar

Amen. These debates can never be settled. Bring on the season and see which TEAMS prevail.

 
bradley 
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Re: Devin Cannady
10-27-18 08:01 AM - Post#263629    
    In response to Tiger69

It will be interesting to see if Llewellyn will be able to penetrate and dish to give open looks to Tiger 3 pt shooters including Devin. Jaelin was recently recognized as the #9 top min-major recruit. There were several Europeann players in front of him and some very highly recruited U.S. players.

Devin and Myles have experienced both the high and lows in their Tiger career and based on their charachecter and drive, they will probably be pretty tough this year barring injuries and if they have a good enough supporting cast including Jaelin, a freshmen. Time will tell.

 
AntiUngvar 
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10-27-18 10:35 AM - Post#263634    
    In response to bradley

You never saw Bill Bradley play at Princeton, did you?


 
bradley 
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10-27-18 11:37 AM - Post#263637    
    In response to AntiUngvar

Sure did therefore my User Name -- simply the best. Never forget the performance against Wichita State for consolation game at the NCAA Tournament for 3rd place -- 58 points on 22-29 FG, 14-15 FT and 17 rebounds. Not sure if IL team will ever make Final Four again but let's dream.

 
AntiUngvar 
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10-27-18 12:19 PM - Post#263640    
    In response to bradley

You know the League was represented again in '79. Bet my debate partner, Palestra, was around then and can attest to the fine officiating of the event- at least till Penn ran into Earvin Johnson.


 
weinhauers_ghost 
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10-27-18 09:45 PM - Post#263664    
    In response to AntiUngvar

  • AntiUngvar Said:
You know the League was represented again in '79. Bet my debate partner, Palestra, was around then and can attest to the fine officiating of the event- at least till Penn ran into Earvin Johnson.



It wasn't just Earvin. Greg Kelser (28 points) also played a significant role in our demise.

 
AntiUngvar 
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10-27-18 10:10 PM - Post#263665    
    In response to weinhauers_ghost

Greg Kelser, yes! Bet Magic could have made most of us look good, filling a lane on the break by his side. Imagine that Penn will be acknowledging the 40th anniversary of that team this winter- I know most of those guys are still alive, and wonder what ever happened to Bobby Willis of The Bronx?


 
palestra38 
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10-28-18 07:31 AM - Post#263667    
    In response to AntiUngvar

Boby Willis was at the 40th reunion of the '78 team that went to the Regionals last year (for which I was a broadcaster). He's doing well and I am sure he will return this year when they celebrate that team, along with Tony Price, also from NYC.

 
AntiUngvar 
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10-28-18 08:42 AM - Post#263669    
    In response to palestra38

Did you model yourself after anyone as an announcer? (Anyone people may have heard of that is.)


 
SomeGuy 
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10-28-18 11:01 AM - Post#263670    
    In response to palestra38

Agree on this. The thing with Cannady in the first half of the Ivy season is that even if you accounted for him all the time, he still could find ways to beat you and get his shot. Adlesh is more in the mold of a lot of very good shooters who come thru the league and will be lights out if you don’t account for them. I’m skeptical of whether it is a question of running more stuff for Adlesh. I think if you ran more stuff for Adlesh, he would actually be easier to control and take away. My impression is that a healthy Cannady is proficient at scoring off schedule, which is part of what sets him apart. And he’s also super tough in the end game, with his ability to get the ball, keep it, get to the line, and make them. Seemed to be tougher for him last year without Weisz to draw attention and handle as well, but he’s still the best closer one the league as far as I’m concerned.

 
AntiUngvar 
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10-28-18 11:19 AM - Post#263671    
    In response to SomeGuy

And 7 months ago, you were writing that Adlesh should have been shooting more often?!?????


 
SRP 
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10-28-18 12:35 PM - Post#263672    
    In response to AntiUngvar

Cannady had some games last year where opponents tilted the D his way and he got few good looks. Some of that is just the team preferring to take what is given, but some of it was his limitation as a driver in a half-court set. Early in his career, when the Tigers were pushing the ball more, he got more easy looks.

 
SomeGuy 
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10-28-18 12:51 PM - Post#263673    
    In response to SRP

I also had the initial impression that people were taking Cannady away in the second half (starting with Foreman blanketing him in Penn II), but there have since been suggestions that Cannady was hurt.

 
SomeGuy 
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10-28-18 01:03 PM - Post#263674    
    In response to AntiUngvar

I believe what I said was that the offense would have been more efficient if Adlesh took more of Hickman’s shots. That isn’t antithetical to what I said about Adlesh here, generally. He could become considerably less efficient with more plays run for him and still be more efficient than Hickman.

 
AntiUngvar 
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10-28-18 01:56 PM - Post#263677    
    In response to SomeGuy

SG: If QA took Hickman's shots, he'd have had more FGAs than he did. And you're just hypothesizing dire predictions about what he'd do with more shot attempts- you OBVIOUSLY don't know! As for your Cannady skit- seems you're saying he'll ALWAYS find ways to beat you and put the ball in the basket...............unless of course the defense is tilted his way/stacked against him; or someguy's great grandmother's sitting in the last row at Jadwin telling people that Devin's got a bit of a sore throat and can't quite perform tonight.


 
SomeGuy 
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10-28-18 02:25 PM - Post#263679    
    In response to AntiUngvar

Well, as I think I’ve made abundantly clear, as a fan of an opponent of both players, Cannady is a guy I worry about a lot more than Adlesh. Maybe Adlesh will prove me wrong this year.

 
AntiUngvar 
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10-28-18 02:29 PM - Post#263680    
    In response to SomeGuy

You're a fan of an opponent of both players?


 
SomeGuy 
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10-28-18 03:03 PM - Post#263681    
    In response to AntiUngvar

I’m a Penn guy.

 
AntiUngvar 
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10-28-18 03:06 PM - Post#263682    
    In response to SomeGuy

And here, I had you pegged as a globalist- my apologies.


 
SRP 
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10-29-18 12:25 PM - Post#263715    
    In response to AntiUngvar

Cannady is a much better player than Adlesh to date. I expect that to continue, but who knows?

 
AntiUngvar 
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10-29-18 02:10 PM - Post#263721    
    In response to SRP

I value your point, but, again, Bradley's topic was Cannady, as a national level SHOOTER; and my reply to him was about Quinton Adlesh as an equally representative national level SHOOTER.


 
bradley 
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10-29-18 07:47 PM - Post#263735    
    In response to SRP

If reasonably healthy in his senior year, Devin will become the 2nd leading scorer in Tiger BB history, 1st in total 3 pt shots made and probably the highest career FT%. He was a piece of the puzzle in his first two years as the Tigers normally had at least three other legit scoring options on the floor and he played within the system but he made some killer game ending shots along the way, i.e. over the outstretched arm of Jeff Mullins etc. Biggest compliment is that Mitch gave him the attempted game winning shot against ND at the big dance which he will never forget as he thought that he made the shot.

Never a great defender but an improved one and he definitely improved his overall game last year by averaging 5.4 rebounds per game almost all of the defensive end. He also added some offensives moves to his 3 pt shooting especially last year.

Should be interesting how Mitch uses Myles and Devin in their final year.

If three inches taller, post-Tiger career options would be significant based on his ability to 3 pt shoot and leap but he has a post Tiger BB career in front of him in Europe.

 
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10-31-18 05:05 PM - Post#263930    
    In response to bradley

Bradley:Congratulations, whether you asked for it or not, you managed to get a lot of mileage out of this topic, and from some unexpected places. Hope the kid and your team exceed all hopes & expectations for the forthcoming season. Bill Bradley -along with Heyward Dotson & Jim McMillian- were special for me, as well. Don't think I'd have ever ventured to apply to the Ivies, if not for them. Still recall John McPhee's, A Sense of Where You Are, coming out when I was in junior high- great stuff!


 
palestra38 
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10-31-18 06:33 PM - Post#263941    
    In response to AntiUngvar

McPhee is indeed great--and still going. My daughter interviewed him for an article. I have loved his books for years.

 
AntiUngvar 
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10-31-18 06:58 PM - Post#263946    
    In response to palestra38

To anyone wanting to write a first book, John McPhee would be looked at in a way that a struggling, young sports broadcaster in the city of sisterly affection could have once seen Harry Kalas or Richie Ashburn.


 
palestra38 
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10-31-18 07:11 PM - Post#263948    
    In response to AntiUngvar

As I grew up in New York in the '60s and early '70s, no one was more of an influence than Marv Albert.

 
AntiUngvar 
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10-31-18 07:17 PM - Post#263949    
    In response to palestra38

As imperfect as the rest of us, but talk about standing the test of time!


 
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10-31-18 07:27 PM - Post#263951    
    In response to AntiUngvar

But Mel Allen, a Jewish guy from Birmingham, Alabama, calling the games of the most iconic sports franchise in our nation's history was an unvarnished slice of Americana never before seen, nor since.


 
palestra38 
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11-01-18 07:35 AM - Post#263975    
    In response to AntiUngvar

It's really difficult to lead the life of constant travel of a professional broadcaster and remain perfect. While I make no pretensions of perfection, it's one of the reasons I chose Columbia Law School rather than attempt a broadcasting career. But one of my contemporaries at Brown at the same time, Chris Berman, made a pretty good living at the broadcasting game. Knowing what is public about his life, however, I think I would choose mine.

 
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