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Username Post: UConn Scrimmage        (Topic#22005)
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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10-29-18 08:05 AM - Post#263696    

Anyone have any information on scrimmage at UConn? Connecticut newspapers and UConn blog report that UConn was depleted by injuries and suspensions, but I can't find any mention of who suited up for Harvard with the sole exception being a report from a UConn blog that Chris Lewis "caused problems for the Huskies all afternoon and scored 21 points."



 
westcoast 
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Re: UConn Scrimmage
10-29-18 11:49 AM - Post#263713    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Noah Kirkwood had 14 pts, 6 rebounds, and 3 assists for Harvard.

https://twitter.com/NMHbasketball/status/ 105667917...

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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10-29-18 02:05 PM - Post#263719    
    In response to westcoast

Thanks. Good chance we seem Noah in the mix. More skills than Corey and likely to soak up any minutes Bryce's recovery may enable.

If he can defend and rebound as a 6'7" guard, likely improves the best returning Ivy defense. We know he can drive and pass.

Even if Bryce is held back, lineup of Juzang, Kirkwood, Bassey, Towns and Lewis has got to be top 50 nationally on defense. Bryce is instant offense or Freedman (true PG), Haskett (defense and creative offense) and even McCarty.

 
palestra38 
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10-29-18 02:15 PM - Post#263723    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Did Towns play?

 
mrjames 
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10-29-18 02:33 PM - Post#263724    
    In response to palestra38

Believe it or not, George isn't at home. Please leave a message at the beep. I must be out, or I'd pick up the phone. Where could I be? Believe it or not, I'm not home.

 
palestra38 
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10-29-18 02:42 PM - Post#263725    
    In response to mrjames

Funny. But is Mr Towns home?

 
mrjames 
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10-29-18 03:23 PM - Post#263726    
    In response to palestra38

I mean, I'd be shocked if they weren't back for the Ivy campaign, but Tommy hasn't historically had a lot of reverence for trying to win non-conference games, so I have no clue when you'll see any of them prior to the start of Ivy play. I'd imagine where media members are struggling to get to an answer here is that for Tommy, the season doesn't really start until 1/12 and until then "are they healthy enough to play" != "they will play."

 
palestra38 
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10-29-18 03:42 PM - Post#263727    
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It's interesting how you guys are almost professional in your paranoia. Down here in the Peoples'Republic of Philadelphia, we know about every injury and discuss it at length. Jelani Williams doesn't have a mysterious injury, he tore his ACL. But Towns went down during the Ivy championship game, didn't return and you guys are fine with not knowing (or being in on the cover up) what his injury was and how long he will be affected. I think the Commissioner will have to step in for this affects betting lines.

 
PennFan10 
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10-29-18 05:02 PM - Post#263728    
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  • palestra38 Said:
It's interesting how you guys are almost professional in your paranoia. Down here in the Peoples'Republic of Philadelphia, we know about every injury and discuss it at length. Jelani Williams doesn't have a mysterious injury, he tore his ACL. But Towns went down during the Ivy championship game, didn't return and you guys are fine with not knowing (or being in on the cover up) what his injury was and how long he will be affected. I think the Commissioner will have to step in for this affects betting lines.



This is some epic stuff P38. Well said. Made me laugh and has the benefit of being true.


 
Stuart Suss 
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10-29-18 05:27 PM - Post#263729    
    In response to PennFan10

Now that legal sports wagering is becoming more prevalent, there has been discussion whether college coaches will need to emulate their professional counterparts and publicly disclose the injury status of players.

Will there be legal wagering on the Harvard - UNC game scheduled for January 2, 2019? Will Aikens and Towns be out, doubtful or questionable?


 
mrjames 
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10-29-18 05:52 PM - Post#263730    
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I’m just messing with you guys - I’m not sure what you’re looking for here? Rothstein said they’d be cleared for basketball-related activities back in September and further reporting said that while they were being held out of preseason activities, they were expected to be good to go for the beginning of the season. All the reporting I’ve seen has had them out of preseason activities as was expected.

I don’t see this as a conspiracy, just light reporting. I don’t know anything more than that. I’m just excited to consume this Ivy campaign as a fan and shed the time I used to spend on pursuing all the inside baseball stuff.

 
Old Bear 
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10-29-18 06:38 PM - Post#263732    
    In response to Stuart Suss

Stu,
Have you ever seen Belichick interviewed about Patriot's injuries?

 
Stuart Suss 
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10-29-18 06:59 PM - Post#263734    
    In response to Old Bear

Old Bear,

The head coach may be evasive about injuries, but the Patriots fulfill their obligation to the league to produce an honest injury report.

I think Division 1 intercollegiate programs should have the same obligation to be truthful regarding injuries. If legal sports wagering leads to a legislative obligation to do so, that would be a positive result.


 
PennFan10 
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10-30-18 09:32 AM - Post#263759    
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  • mrjames Said:

I don’t see this as a conspiracy, just light reporting. I don’t know anything more than that. I’m just excited to consume this Ivy campaign as a fan and shed the time I used to spend on pursuing all the inside baseball stuff.



There is a difference between light reporting and complete lack of disclosure. I think this is a lot more the latter. There are plenty of people who know the exact nature of the injuries for these two (even on this board) and for whatever reason choose to operate under a cloak of secrecy.


 
palestra38 
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10-30-18 09:59 AM - Post#263768    
    In response to PennFan10

And what's funny about it is that they think it somehow will help their performance this season. They simply have been Belichicked over the years and think it is the right thing to do even for Ivy basketball.

 
HGA 
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10-30-18 10:18 AM - Post#263769    
    In response to PennFan10

So true! McCarthy, Aiken, Towns, etc.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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10-31-18 11:45 AM - Post#263909    
    In response to HGA

Disclosure on injuries to student athletes may be restricted by HIPAA and FERPA. There are colleges that will not release any information except the location of the injury (e.g., lower body injury). Professional athletes, on the other hand, may be deemed to have workplace related injuries which may provide for exceptions to HIPAA. I'm not an expert, but I do see that some colleges won't release such information unless the student signs a waiver.

Regardless, I think I've now read numerous times that Towns and Aiken are (and have always been) expected to be healthy for the upcoming season, so there is nothing to report. If they don't agree to release HIPAA protected information about the nature of the injury and medical and rehab details, then it seems the school's hands are tied.

 
Stuart Suss 
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10-31-18 12:19 PM - Post#263912    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Great question!

When a professional sports league publicly reports a player's injury details and status, is that an exception to HIPAA or has the player waived HIPAA confidentiality?

I remain of the opinion that legalized sports wagering will lead to mandatory injury reports at the collegiate level.


 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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10-31-18 02:31 PM - Post#263917    
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Thanks Stu. Although I would tend to agree with you, I'm not sure how it happens. If medical info on students is protected by HIPAA, would that protection be waived by the mere fact that one participates in college athletics? Would scholarship equate to "work?"

I think that there would have to be some requirements for good faith timely reporting of availability, but possibly no disclosure on the specifics of the injury.

Thus, other than finding out in a week (closer to game time) whether Towns/Aiken are questionable or doubtful to play against MIT on Nov. 6th, there would have been no prior or current disclosures.

Do you see it differently?

 
palestra38 
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10-31-18 02:37 PM - Post#263918    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Why then do we see injury information from every other school but Harvard? Is it unique among the Ivies with respect to a HIPPA policy? Here's an interesting article that would seem to indicate that Amaker could release the information on these athletes' injuries if he knows that information:

https://www.rcfp.org/reporters-guide-medic al-priva...

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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10-31-18 03:32 PM - Post#263921    
    In response to palestra38

If you read the article you cite, it explains that many schools believe that HIPAA limits their ability to share confidential medical information. Your article suggests that in order to comply with HIPAA the University would need a signed medical release from from the athlete. This article entitles one section: "Our Hands are Tied."

Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 10-31-18 03:33 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
palestra38 
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Re: UConn Scrimmage
10-31-18 03:40 PM - Post#263922    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Keep reading

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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10-31-18 03:47 PM - Post#263924    
    In response to palestra38

I did, and don't see what you seem to.

The article is entitled: "Confusing laws keep information confidential on college campuses"

The exception cited if one reads on is where a university that provides information can whip out a release form signed by a student in order to defend against a claim for a HIPAA violation, if the student has signed one.

Missing your point.

 
palestra38 
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10-31-18 03:53 PM - Post#263925    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

It's that the major programs have a policy requiring the kids to sign a waiver. So we know about Kentucky's injuries. But not only do we not know anything about Harvard's but we have you posting speculative ideas about how HIPPA controls when you have no idea whether it does or does not or what Harvard's institutional policy may be. I can see a kid not wanting to tell an institution about a past injury in the recruiting process when he is seeking a scholarship, but that is not the case in the Ivies. So the only purpose for the utter silence of Harvard is Amaker's attempt to run his program as does Belichick---believing that anything that escapes from the team weakens the team. Frankly, that is a bogus philosophy at this level. I as a fan and supporter of an Ivy program, want to know about an injury that affects the team's prospects---I guess you don't feel that way. But you are simply inventing all your reasons for why Harvard, alone among Ivy teams, provides no information on injuries. You may be right, but I doubt it. Either way, you do not know.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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10-31-18 04:23 PM - Post#263926    
    In response to palestra38

What is your problem? I am somewhat familiar with HIPAA, which is why I merely pointed out that HIPAA is considered by many to limit a university's ability to disseminate confidential medical information about its students. The article you found, one of many on the topic, confirms that HIPAA does indeed provide limits. Yes, it does explain that a university could obtain a signed waiver, something I initially alluded to.

Oh, and as far as accusing me of making things up, I can confirm that when I asked last year about Aiken's status I was informed that the nature of his injury could not be divulged because to do so would be a HIPAA violation.

This is the Ivy League, not Kentucky. Regardless, as I explained, there appears to be nothing to report. Multiple sources report that Aiken and Towns are healthy. Do you need their medical history? Why?

If you think that protecting the medical confidentiality of a student is the result of some nefarious Belichick like scheme, you're gonna want to seek some professional help. Frankly, I have no idea whether we know the health of Penn's players and don't care. Looks like Towns, Aiken and Bruner are all expected to play. Deal with it.



Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 10-31-18 04:25 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
palestra38 
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Re: UConn Scrimmage
10-31-18 04:37 PM - Post#263927    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Again, you do not know anything about their condition and are making statements about HIPPA that you do not know about. I'm not saying anything personal here, other than you are making up facts and presuming to know the policy which is not an accurate statement. However, I will agree with you that I will have to deal with it....it is just a very paranoid mindset.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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10-31-18 04:40 PM - Post#263928    
    In response to palestra38

Uh, it's the law.

Oh, and I've handled compliance for genetics companies, including appearing before the FDA and the FTC.

And it's spelled "HIPAA."

 
PennFan10 
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10-31-18 05:39 PM - Post#263935    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

numerous reports that they are fine and healthy and ready to dominate, yet somehow they have yet to appear on a basketball court when we have seen every other Harvard player at least doing layups. They are healthy? Healthy players play in the pre season. There are no restrictions on healthy players. there are often restrictions on players who trainers/doctors/coaches believe will be healthy but are waiting as long as possible to find out. See Makai Mason last year....oops, healthy until proven hurt.

Need another example? When did we find out last year that Tommy McCarthy wouldn't suit up for any game at any point? If you answered "Never" you get a bonus point.

I am not buying what H is selling.



 
palestra38 
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10-31-18 06:31 PM - Post#263940    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

No it's NOT the law---it applies only to Hospitals and physicians. It does not apply to Amaker. So calm down on the hubris.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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10-31-18 06:51 PM - Post#263945    
    In response to palestra38

It's not that simple.

 
palestra38 
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10-31-18 07:10 PM - Post#263947    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

I'm not the one making incorrect conclusions--you are. I simply don't know what position Harvard is taking on the absolute refusal to disclose injury information or why? All I know is that it is unlike every other Ivy team. So unless I have an explanation, all I can do is ask questions.

 
Old Bear 
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10-31-18 07:22 PM - Post#263950    
    In response to palestra38

I have some pain in my lower back , If I don’t believe it will limet my attendance . I waive my HIppo rights .

 
jadwinjungle 
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10-31-18 11:01 PM - Post#263968    
    In response to Old Bear

While Harvard is certainly being silent on Towns and Aiken, and were on McCarthy last year, I don't think it's fair to say Amaker is the only one doing this. Yale didn't announce Bruner and Mason would be gone for the year until the night before their season opener last year, and I'm sure they knew well in advance of that but didn't say anything until it would be clear that something was up when neither of them played the next day. Henry Caruso just wasn't on the bench for a game at Jadwin in 16-17, and then news broke he was out for the year, and Will Gladson didn't play for a long stretch last year with no real updates.

Don't follow the rest of the league close enough to know for sure, but I feel like various other teams around the league have had players disappear for full seasons with no real fanfare (did Cornell say anything about Wil Bathurst last season, or Dartmouth about Guillen Smith?). It seems like every year there is inevitably at least one piece of news that breaks the night before the opener, and I doubt all of those things happened right then. Here's to hoping that when Tuesday comes around everyone who's supposed to be healthy (and on the team - see Boudreaux) still is

 
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