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Username Post: UConn Scrimmage        (Topic#22005)
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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10-29-18 08:05 AM - Post#263696    

Anyone have any information on scrimmage at UConn? Connecticut newspapers and UConn blog report that UConn was depleted by injuries and suspensions, but I can't find any mention of who suited up for Harvard with the sole exception being a report from a UConn blog that Chris Lewis "caused problems for the Huskies all afternoon and scored 21 points."



 
westcoast 
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Re: UConn Scrimmage
10-29-18 11:49 AM - Post#263713    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Noah Kirkwood had 14 pts, 6 rebounds, and 3 assists for Harvard.

https://twitter.com/NMHbasketball/status/ 105667917...

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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10-29-18 02:05 PM - Post#263719    
    In response to westcoast

Thanks. Good chance we seem Noah in the mix. More skills than Corey and likely to soak up any minutes Bryce's recovery may enable.

If he can defend and rebound as a 6'7" guard, likely improves the best returning Ivy defense. We know he can drive and pass.

Even if Bryce is held back, lineup of Juzang, Kirkwood, Bassey, Towns and Lewis has got to be top 50 nationally on defense. Bryce is instant offense or Freedman (true PG), Haskett (defense and creative offense) and even McCarty.

 
palestra38 
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10-29-18 02:15 PM - Post#263723    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Did Towns play?

 
mrjames 
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10-29-18 02:33 PM - Post#263724    
    In response to palestra38

Believe it or not, George isn't at home. Please leave a message at the beep. I must be out, or I'd pick up the phone. Where could I be? Believe it or not, I'm not home.

 
palestra38 
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10-29-18 02:42 PM - Post#263725    
    In response to mrjames

Funny. But is Mr Towns home?

 
mrjames 
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10-29-18 03:23 PM - Post#263726    
    In response to palestra38

I mean, I'd be shocked if they weren't back for the Ivy campaign, but Tommy hasn't historically had a lot of reverence for trying to win non-conference games, so I have no clue when you'll see any of them prior to the start of Ivy play. I'd imagine where media members are struggling to get to an answer here is that for Tommy, the season doesn't really start until 1/12 and until then "are they healthy enough to play" != "they will play."

 
palestra38 
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10-29-18 03:42 PM - Post#263727    
    In response to mrjames

It's interesting how you guys are almost professional in your paranoia. Down here in the Peoples'Republic of Philadelphia, we know about every injury and discuss it at length. Jelani Williams doesn't have a mysterious injury, he tore his ACL. But Towns went down during the Ivy championship game, didn't return and you guys are fine with not knowing (or being in on the cover up) what his injury was and how long he will be affected. I think the Commissioner will have to step in for this affects betting lines.

 
PennFan10 
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10-29-18 05:02 PM - Post#263728    
    In response to palestra38

  • palestra38 Said:
It's interesting how you guys are almost professional in your paranoia. Down here in the Peoples'Republic of Philadelphia, we know about every injury and discuss it at length. Jelani Williams doesn't have a mysterious injury, he tore his ACL. But Towns went down during the Ivy championship game, didn't return and you guys are fine with not knowing (or being in on the cover up) what his injury was and how long he will be affected. I think the Commissioner will have to step in for this affects betting lines.



This is some epic stuff P38. Well said. Made me laugh and has the benefit of being true.


 
Stuart Suss 
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10-29-18 05:27 PM - Post#263729    
    In response to PennFan10

Now that legal sports wagering is becoming more prevalent, there has been discussion whether college coaches will need to emulate their professional counterparts and publicly disclose the injury status of players.

Will there be legal wagering on the Harvard - UNC game scheduled for January 2, 2019? Will Aikens and Towns be out, doubtful or questionable?


 
mrjames 
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10-29-18 05:52 PM - Post#263730    
    In response to Stuart Suss

I’m just messing with you guys - I’m not sure what you’re looking for here? Rothstein said they’d be cleared for basketball-related activities back in September and further reporting said that while they were being held out of preseason activities, they were expected to be good to go for the beginning of the season. All the reporting I’ve seen has had them out of preseason activities as was expected.

I don’t see this as a conspiracy, just light reporting. I don’t know anything more than that. I’m just excited to consume this Ivy campaign as a fan and shed the time I used to spend on pursuing all the inside baseball stuff.

 
Old Bear 
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10-29-18 06:38 PM - Post#263732    
    In response to Stuart Suss

Stu,
Have you ever seen Belichick interviewed about Patriot's injuries?

 
Stuart Suss 
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10-29-18 06:59 PM - Post#263734    
    In response to Old Bear

Old Bear,

The head coach may be evasive about injuries, but the Patriots fulfill their obligation to the league to produce an honest injury report.

I think Division 1 intercollegiate programs should have the same obligation to be truthful regarding injuries. If legal sports wagering leads to a legislative obligation to do so, that would be a positive result.


 
PennFan10 
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10-30-18 09:32 AM - Post#263759    
    In response to mrjames

  • mrjames Said:

I don’t see this as a conspiracy, just light reporting. I don’t know anything more than that. I’m just excited to consume this Ivy campaign as a fan and shed the time I used to spend on pursuing all the inside baseball stuff.



There is a difference between light reporting and complete lack of disclosure. I think this is a lot more the latter. There are plenty of people who know the exact nature of the injuries for these two (even on this board) and for whatever reason choose to operate under a cloak of secrecy.


 
palestra38 
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10-30-18 09:59 AM - Post#263768    
    In response to PennFan10

And what's funny about it is that they think it somehow will help their performance this season. They simply have been Belichicked over the years and think it is the right thing to do even for Ivy basketball.

 
HGA 
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10-30-18 10:18 AM - Post#263769    
    In response to PennFan10

So true! McCarthy, Aiken, Towns, etc.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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10-31-18 11:45 AM - Post#263909    
    In response to HGA

Disclosure on injuries to student athletes may be restricted by HIPAA and FERPA. There are colleges that will not release any information except the location of the injury (e.g., lower body injury). Professional athletes, on the other hand, may be deemed to have workplace related injuries which may provide for exceptions to HIPAA. I'm not an expert, but I do see that some colleges won't release such information unless the student signs a waiver.

Regardless, I think I've now read numerous times that Towns and Aiken are (and have always been) expected to be healthy for the upcoming season, so there is nothing to report. If they don't agree to release HIPAA protected information about the nature of the injury and medical and rehab details, then it seems the school's hands are tied.

 
Stuart Suss 
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10-31-18 12:19 PM - Post#263912    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Great question!

When a professional sports league publicly reports a player's injury details and status, is that an exception to HIPAA or has the player waived HIPAA confidentiality?

I remain of the opinion that legalized sports wagering will lead to mandatory injury reports at the collegiate level.


 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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10-31-18 02:31 PM - Post#263917    
    In response to Stuart Suss

Thanks Stu. Although I would tend to agree with you, I'm not sure how it happens. If medical info on students is protected by HIPAA, would that protection be waived by the mere fact that one participates in college athletics? Would scholarship equate to "work?"

I think that there would have to be some requirements for good faith timely reporting of availability, but possibly no disclosure on the specifics of the injury.

Thus, other than finding out in a week (closer to game time) whether Towns/Aiken are questionable or doubtful to play against MIT on Nov. 6th, there would have been no prior or current disclosures.

Do you see it differently?

 
palestra38 
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10-31-18 02:37 PM - Post#263918    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Why then do we see injury information from every other school but Harvard? Is it unique among the Ivies with respect to a HIPPA policy? Here's an interesting article that would seem to indicate that Amaker could release the information on these athletes' injuries if he knows that information:

https://www.rcfp.org/reporters-guide-medic al-priva...

 
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