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Username Post: Chris Ledlum To Harvard        (Topic#22027)
mrjames 
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11-01-18 10:16 AM - Post#263986    

Harvard lands the 4-star SF. Fringe Top 100 recruit.

247Sports now has Harvard as the No. 21 class nationally. That'll settle a little lower as Harvard is likely done and other teams will pick up the undecided big names.

 
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11-01-18 10:49 AM - Post#263987    
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Looks like a great get. Some serious offers: ACC, Big Ten, Big East, SEC. Currently highest ranked Ivy 2019 recruit. Over 20 offers reported on 247, 16 from power conferences. Doesn't show a visit or offer at any other Ivy school.

Gonna be crowded next year at Lavietes.

 
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11-01-18 12:17 PM - Post#263989    
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This kid's from Staten Island, a small town slice of New York City; and attends the same Catholic HighSchool (St. Peter's) that Columbia head coach graduated from- very telling that CU wasn't in the mix for Ledlum; though completely, and sadly, unsurprising.


 
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11-01-18 12:29 PM - Post#263990    
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  • AntiUngvar Said:
very telling that CU wasn't in the mix for Ledlum


What makes you think that?

Looks like a nice get for Harvard especially given all the names on his dance card.


 
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11-01-18 12:36 PM - Post#263992    
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For what it's worth, Rivals shows 34 offers, including Columbia, Yale and Brown. I had only looked at 247. Rivals has Ledlum as a 4* and #94 nationally. Verbal Commits doesn't list much of anything (including today's commitment) and has him as a 2*.

 
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11-01-18 01:04 PM - Post#263995    
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It means very little when a D-1 does zero work in three years to cultivate some positive relationships with New York City high school coaches; can't even get a kid playing at the same highschool the coach played at & graduated from to visit his school (not even 10 miles from where the boy lives); then he loses the kid to another school from his own league. No, it doesn't mean much. And it doesn't mean much that a school's ranked 3rd ranked in the nation, when their men's basketball coach is radioactive as far as recruits are concerned!


 
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11-01-18 04:32 PM - Post#264007    
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AntiUngvar, how many recruits do you think Harvard has lost to another Ivy in the past 5 years? There may (or may not) have been a couple.

Look, I'm not thrilled with the job Engels has done to date either but if getting out-recruited by Tommy Amaker merits firing then there wouldn't be any other coaches in the league.


 
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11-01-18 05:35 PM - Post#264008    
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There's no justification for keeping him on the job; but I'm hardly concerned with convincing you or anyone else of the truth of that.


 
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11-01-18 07:03 PM - Post#264009    
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After missing out on Massoud, it looked like Harvard would end up with a 2017-ish nice, small group, but adding the re-classed Sakota and Ledlum makes this another competitive class nationally.

Tommy’s been able to stack two good, deep classes before in a four-year span (Casey, Curry, Webster and Wes, Steve, Kenyatta, Jonah) with some quality pieces in other classes (Rivard, Chambers), but he’s never had three Top 50 full classes in a four-year span.

Getting absolutely nothing out of small 2013 and 2014 classes and very little out of the 2015 class has obviously held the program back for the past few years, but my goodness what a response on the recruiting trail.

 
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11-01-18 07:31 PM - Post#264012    
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Yes, you man, Tommy's obviously done
well. But this is an age wherein New York City's considered by many kids as the IT place to attend college; with their parents on board, v makingiewing NYC as safe enough for their offspring to spend 4 years there. CU men's basketball should have more to show for their offer making; but this dead weight of a coach appears too burdensome to overcome.


 
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11-01-18 09:57 PM - Post#264017    
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Um, you are of course welcome here. But you might elicit more discussion on these thoughts over in Columbia-land.

 
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11-01-18 10:06 PM - Post#264019    
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https://nypost.com/2018/07/15/offers-hav e-staten-i...

- “I feel like the things I do for basketball help me out in football and vice versa,” he said. “The footwork and everything I do for basketball translates to football and the physicality and the strength part translates from football to basketball.”

David has seen his football background help him on the floor.

“He bowls through everyone, literally,” the AAU coach said.

Three college coaches The Post spoke to on condition of anonymity were split on Ledlum. Though all praised his motor and skill-set, two believe he would struggle defending and creating his own shot at the high-major level, but would be a “program changer” in the Atlantic 10 or AAC, according to one of them who likened him to former Seton Hall star Brian Laing. However, a high-major head coach thinks Ledlum is only scratching the surface and could not only play at the highest level, but excel.

“He’s the total package,” the coach said. “Great kid, works his butt off and is only going to get better. I like his total game. Every asset of it will get better.”

All of his scholarship offers would seem to illustrate that. Now he has a decision to make, not only about which school to attend, but also about which sport to play.

“It’s what’s going to benefit me the most,” Ledlum said, stressing academics, comfort with a coach and opportunity as main factors. -

 
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11-02-18 11:06 AM - Post#264043    
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rbg: The kid's name is Chris, NOT David. And if CU had only extended him a football offer, I'm sure he'd have at least taken a visit to the school's MorningsideHeights campus and to Baker Field Complex, out of respect for Al Bagnoli.
Also, I'd love to do as HarvardDad advises me to, but there's so little enthusiasm over there- you must see that yourself, with the information you're good enough about making known to people; al of it generates very little to no response over there. Perfectly understandable though, when you have an uninspiring head coach who's spent 30 months, simply sucking the life out of the men's basketball program. CU's failure with Chris Ledlum is simply a microcosm of why their men's bball program's on a such a sinking trajectory- in the current coach's 30 months on the job, he's not been able to recruit a single New York City high school basketball student athlete to commit to CU- completely irresponsible and unacceptable- given Columbia's national academic ranking an profile; along with New York City's traditional. essence as a fertile ground for basketball talent. But New York City high school coaches (particularly those in the Catholic High School League where the CU coach once played) are a fairly tight knit bunch of individuals- they KNOW OF the CU coach; but hardly in a a way that engenders any kind of reverence. He's established himself with New YorkCity's basketball community in nearly the manner he has with his 2 assistant coaches & 5 CU players who found an escape route from his falling vessel during the past year! For any follower of the IL, this all very much disappointing.


 
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11-02-18 12:23 PM - Post#264054    
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The area of my previous post between the dashes was an excerpt from the NY Post article, not my own comments.

The David the article is referring to is Jay David, Chris Ledlum's AAU coach.

 
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11-02-18 12:29 PM - Post#264055    
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Thank you. Jay David knows whence I speak; more than can be said for The (short)Line of apologists on behalf of the failed CU coach.


 
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11-02-18 07:21 PM - Post#264114    
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Getting back to the old days when 200-man-minutes was a serious constraint for Amaker.

 
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11-02-18 07:39 PM - Post#264115    
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  • HARVARDDADGRAD Said:
Um, you are of course welcome here. But you might elicit more discussion on these thoughts over in Columbia-land.


You're a clever man, HDG. Don't let anyone say otherwise.


 
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11-03-18 08:03 PM - Post#264153    
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To anyone in need of a primer, defining where an amateur basketball coach's priorities should extend, the following piece about Chris Ledlum's AAU basketball coach may offer such insight: https://usatodayhss.com/2018/ny-organization- helpi...


 
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11-17-18 05:19 PM - Post#266131    
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Ledlum had 27 and 14 at the National Prep Showcase and had all the recruiting analysts raving.

Amaker’s gotten some good ones in the last four classes, but Ledlum might be the best of them all...

Penn’s Max Lorca had 8 and 10 for NMH as well.

 
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11-18-18 09:07 AM - Post#266217    
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Ledlum has 17-12-4 to lead NMH last night, but they lost in game two of the National Prep Showcase. Whole team shot poorly in the second half, including Ledlum (6-for-17 overall).

Penn recruit Max Lorca was 0-for-3 in just 15 mins of play.

 
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11-26-18 01:22 AM - Post#267010    
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I missed this before but Penn recruit Jordan Dingle played well in close Blair loss to Tilton (85-86). He scored 30 points on 13 of 18 shooting and 4 of 7 from 3. Still not quite sure why he wasn’t more highly recruited but excited to see him at Penn. Bright future for Ivy’s.

 
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11-26-18 03:41 PM - Post#267095    
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I just watched Ledlum's video. He looks like a beast of a player. Athletic, skilled, and with a great motor. A great get for Harvard.

I'm wondering why he doesn't seem to have the New England rankings of Max Lorca-Lloyd when he seems to be as good or better player in many dimensions. I realize they don't play the same position. Does anyone who knows NMH hoops well have any comment on the relative impact you expect these two to have in the Ivies?

I'm partly wondering because the Penn fans (including myself) are very excited about Max. Penn has to recruit players of his caliber to become the program we hope for. Penn also needs to out-recruit Harvard over time, however. I'm wondering if Ledlum pretty much negates the recruiting edge of our excellent 2019 class.

I'm not trying to overlook that both can be great, both programs can get benefit, team needs and styles are different, etc. Even one disagrees with this way of looking at it, I think you can still get the point and have thoughts what Ledlum's signing says about 2019 recruiting classes at Harvard and Penn...




 
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11-26-18 07:33 PM - Post#267152    
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Adam doesn’t add recruits who are new to the New England Prep scene to his rankings until his winter update. So, for instance, Noah wasn’t added until then last year. Same with Corey in 2015. We should see Chris in there when Adam updates the rankings in December. I’d also expect Max to fall a bit, but I’d be happy to be proven wrong there.

Penn’s class seems to be best that Steve has pulled in since he’s been in Philly and for most of the cycle looked to be the class of the league. But Harvard adding Sakota as a reclass and then Ledlum tipped those scales back.

The most interesting story to me, however, is how efficient Harvard has been with its recruiting recently. If you look at the reason the Crimson dipped after the 2015 season, it was because it had to go small following the bigger 2011 and 2012 classes and it really struck out going small in 2013 and 2014. Sure it saved up a lot of slots for the monster 2016 class, but you can’t get almost zero out of three consecutive classes and live to tell about it. This “going small” stint has been different, though when it comes to yielding stars and guys who can play rotation mins. Every team can nail a seven-person class - as long as you’re recruiting true D1 players, a couple are bound to develop. It’s the hit rate when you can only bring in three or four guys in a class that sustains success. That Harvard has the opportunity now to add a monster class to a core of Djuricic, Kirkwood and Ledlum along with a bunch of other quality players makes the next couple recruiting classes very interesting to watch.

FWIW, I don’t actually think it’s a requirement for Donahue to outrecruit Amaker to win his fair share on the floor. He just needs to be in the ballpark talent-wise.

 
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11-26-18 07:51 PM - Post#267156    
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Thanks Mike for the perspective. Great to see Ivy recruiting generally on the upswing.

Monster class will pay big dividends next season, and hopefully this year if the class gets healthy. Wonder if the established rotation will cause a problem with the next cycle's recruiting.

No one who sees court time is graduating, except for Corey Johnson, who is only playing 11 minutes per game (1.3ppg). That is until Bryce and Seth return.

I believe that Harvard's priority needs to be recruiting the successor to Chris Lewis. Maybe Forbes and Brayboy are just that, time will tell.

 
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12-10-18 01:23 AM - Post#268447    
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Nice clip here of Ledlum getting blocked at the rim by Princeton commit Keeshawn Kellman, but then coming back in the play to hit a three pointer.

https://twitter.com/nweitzer7/status/1071 574114295...

 
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12-10-18 08:48 AM - Post#268458    
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That is a crazy play.


 
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12-10-18 09:18 AM - Post#268460    
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Ledlum had (a record) 51 and 34 in two games at the Scholar Roundball Classic, a week after taking home MVP honors at the Zero Gravity Prep Classic. Noah had a big year for NMH last season, but nothing like this. There’s usually a refresh of the NERR rankings in this timeframe - I don’t know that anyone will unseat Akok Akok as best in New England, but Ledlum is trying his best to do so.

 
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12-10-18 10:04 AM - Post#268468    
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Akok Akok's name gives him an insurmountable advantage.

 
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12-10-18 02:32 PM - Post#268501    
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Yeah I've been trying to follow NMH online a little and Ledlum has been ridiculous so hard to see how he doesn't jump to or near to the top of the rankings.

 
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12-17-18 11:42 AM - Post#269259    
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Not sure if Maxpreps is correct or up to date, but it shows Ledlum averaging 28.6 ppg and 8.4 rbs for 8-1 NMH. He's scored at least 30 in last 4 games, averaging 38.4 ppg. 57% overall FG%, including 38% on 3's.



 
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