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Username Post: Chris Ledlum To Harvard        (Topic#22027)
mrjames 
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11-01-18 09:16 AM - Post#263986    

Harvard lands the 4-star SF. Fringe Top 100 recruit.

247Sports now has Harvard as the No. 21 class nationally. That'll settle a little lower as Harvard is likely done and other teams will pick up the undecided big names.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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11-01-18 09:49 AM - Post#263987    
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Looks like a great get. Some serious offers: ACC, Big Ten, Big East, SEC. Currently highest ranked Ivy 2019 recruit. Over 20 offers reported on 247, 16 from power conferences. Doesn't show a visit or offer at any other Ivy school.

Gonna be crowded next year at Lavietes.

 
AntiUngvar 
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11-01-18 11:17 AM - Post#263989    
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This kid's from Staten Island, a small town slice of New York City; and attends the same Catholic HighSchool (St. Peter's) that Columbia head coach graduated from- very telling that CU wasn't in the mix for Ledlum; though completely, and sadly, unsurprising.


 
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11-01-18 11:29 AM - Post#263990    
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  • AntiUngvar Said:
very telling that CU wasn't in the mix for Ledlum


What makes you think that?

Looks like a nice get for Harvard especially given all the names on his dance card.


 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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11-01-18 11:36 AM - Post#263992    
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For what it's worth, Rivals shows 34 offers, including Columbia, Yale and Brown. I had only looked at 247. Rivals has Ledlum as a 4* and #94 nationally. Verbal Commits doesn't list much of anything (including today's commitment) and has him as a 2*.

 
AntiUngvar 
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11-01-18 12:04 PM - Post#263995    
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It means very little when a D-1 does zero work in three years to cultivate some positive relationships with New York City high school coaches; can't even get a kid playing at the same highschool the coach played at & graduated from to visit his school (not even 10 miles from where the boy lives); then he loses the kid to another school from his own league. No, it doesn't mean much. And it doesn't mean much that a school's ranked 3rd ranked in the nation, when their men's basketball coach is radioactive as far as recruits are concerned!


 
TheLine 
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11-01-18 03:32 PM - Post#264007    
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AntiUngvar, how many recruits do you think Harvard has lost to another Ivy in the past 5 years? There may (or may not) have been a couple.

Look, I'm not thrilled with the job Engels has done to date either but if getting out-recruited by Tommy Amaker merits firing then there wouldn't be any other coaches in the league.


 
AntiUngvar 
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11-01-18 04:35 PM - Post#264008    
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There's no justification for keeping him on the job; but I'm hardly concerned with convincing you or anyone else of the truth of that.


 
mrjames 
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11-01-18 06:03 PM - Post#264009    
    In response to AntiUngvar

After missing out on Massoud, it looked like Harvard would end up with a 2017-ish nice, small group, but adding the re-classed Sakota and Ledlum makes this another competitive class nationally.

Tommy’s been able to stack two good, deep classes before in a four-year span (Casey, Curry, Webster and Wes, Steve, Kenyatta, Jonah) with some quality pieces in other classes (Rivard, Chambers), but he’s never had three Top 50 full classes in a four-year span.

Getting absolutely nothing out of small 2013 and 2014 classes and very little out of the 2015 class has obviously held the program back for the past few years, but my goodness what a response on the recruiting trail.

 
AntiUngvar 
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11-01-18 06:31 PM - Post#264012    
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Yes, you man, Tommy's obviously done
well. But this is an age wherein New York City's considered by many kids as the IT place to attend college; with their parents on board, v makingiewing NYC as safe enough for their offspring to spend 4 years there. CU men's basketball should have more to show for their offer making; but this dead weight of a coach appears too burdensome to overcome.


 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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11-01-18 08:57 PM - Post#264017    
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Um, you are of course welcome here. But you might elicit more discussion on these thoughts over in Columbia-land.

 
rbg 
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11-01-18 09:06 PM - Post#264019    
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https://nypost.com/2018/07/15/offers-hav e-staten-i...

- “I feel like the things I do for basketball help me out in football and vice versa,” he said. “The footwork and everything I do for basketball translates to football and the physicality and the strength part translates from football to basketball.”

David has seen his football background help him on the floor.

“He bowls through everyone, literally,” the AAU coach said.

Three college coaches The Post spoke to on condition of anonymity were split on Ledlum. Though all praised his motor and skill-set, two believe he would struggle defending and creating his own shot at the high-major level, but would be a “program changer” in the Atlantic 10 or AAC, according to one of them who likened him to former Seton Hall star Brian Laing. However, a high-major head coach thinks Ledlum is only scratching the surface and could not only play at the highest level, but excel.

“He’s the total package,” the coach said. “Great kid, works his butt off and is only going to get better. I like his total game. Every asset of it will get better.”

All of his scholarship offers would seem to illustrate that. Now he has a decision to make, not only about which school to attend, but also about which sport to play.

“It’s what’s going to benefit me the most,” Ledlum said, stressing academics, comfort with a coach and opportunity as main factors. -

 
AntiUngvar 
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11-02-18 10:06 AM - Post#264043    
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rbg: The kid's name is Chris, NOT David. And if CU had only extended him a football offer, I'm sure he'd have at least taken a visit to the school's MorningsideHeights campus and to Baker Field Complex, out of respect for Al Bagnoli.
Also, I'd love to do as HarvardDad advises me to, but there's so little enthusiasm over there- you must see that yourself, with the information you're good enough about making known to people; al of it generates very little to no response over there. Perfectly understandable though, when you have an uninspiring head coach who's spent 30 months, simply sucking the life out of the men's basketball program. CU's failure with Chris Ledlum is simply a microcosm of why their men's bball program's on a such a sinking trajectory- in the current coach's 30 months on the job, he's not been able to recruit a single New York City high school basketball student athlete to commit to CU- completely irresponsible and unacceptable- given Columbia's national academic ranking an profile; along with New York City's traditional. essence as a fertile ground for basketball talent. But New York City high school coaches (particularly those in the Catholic High School League where the CU coach once played) are a fairly tight knit bunch of individuals- they KNOW OF the CU coach; but hardly in a a way that engenders any kind of reverence. He's established himself with New YorkCity's basketball community in nearly the manner he has with his 2 assistant coaches & 5 CU players who found an escape route from his falling vessel during the past year! For any follower of the IL, this all very much disappointing.


 
rbg 
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11-02-18 11:23 AM - Post#264054    
    In response to AntiUngvar

The area of my previous post between the dashes was an excerpt from the NY Post article, not my own comments.

The David the article is referring to is Jay David, Chris Ledlum's AAU coach.

 
AntiUngvar 
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11-02-18 11:29 AM - Post#264055    
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Thank you. Jay David knows whence I speak; more than can be said for The (short)Line of apologists on behalf of the failed CU coach.


 
SRP 
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11-02-18 06:21 PM - Post#264114    
    In response to AntiUngvar

Getting back to the old days when 200-man-minutes was a serious constraint for Amaker.

 
TheLine 
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11-02-18 06:39 PM - Post#264115    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

  • HARVARDDADGRAD Said:
Um, you are of course welcome here. But you might elicit more discussion on these thoughts over in Columbia-land.


You're a clever man, HDG. Don't let anyone say otherwise.


 
AntiUngvar 
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11-03-18 07:03 PM - Post#264153    
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To anyone in need of a primer, defining where an amateur basketball coach's priorities should extend, the following piece about Chris Ledlum's AAU basketball coach may offer such insight: https://usatodayhss.com/2018/ny-organization- helpi...


 
mrjames 
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11-17-18 04:19 PM - Post#266131    
    In response to AntiUngvar

Ledlum had 27 and 14 at the National Prep Showcase and had all the recruiting analysts raving.

Amaker’s gotten some good ones in the last four classes, but Ledlum might be the best of them all...

Penn’s Max Lorca had 8 and 10 for NMH as well.

 
mrjames 
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11-18-18 08:07 AM - Post#266217    
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Ledlum has 17-12-4 to lead NMH last night, but they lost in game two of the National Prep Showcase. Whole team shot poorly in the second half, including Ledlum (6-for-17 overall).

Penn recruit Max Lorca was 0-for-3 in just 15 mins of play.

 
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