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palestra38 
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11-10-18 09:31 PM - Post#265185    
    In response to AntiUngvar

You expected to lose to a team that went 6-25 and had a coaching change after last year?

 
internetter 
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11-10-18 09:31 PM - Post#265186    
    In response to AntiUngvar

many,many stats:
https://goredfoxes.com/sidearmstats/mbball/l eaders
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AntiUngvar 
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11-10-18 09:45 PM - Post#265190    
    In response to internetter

Yes. And with the late Tape injury you alluded to, Eagles was constrained to use both Nweke and Brumant, early and often, and both young men worked wonders with their respective opportunities.


 
cc66 
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11-10-18 09:55 PM - Post#265192    
    In response to AntiUngvar

Given we lost our starting center who was replaced by a freshman starting in his first game, losing by 6 is a disappointment but pretty much in line with what KP predicted.

Smith obviously needs more help on offense. Bibbs, Hunter, and Killingsworth didn't contribute much.

 
AntiUngvar 
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11-10-18 09:57 PM - Post#265193    
    In response to palestra38

Valid point made, but CU went 8-19 last season, lost seven players (one of who is starting at Xavier in Cincy now), and two coaches from that team; and still an 8th player, expected to start last night, was scratched due to a late injury. So: YES, YES, one-thousand times, (sadly) YES.


 
Columbia 37P6 
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11-10-18 10:42 PM - Post#265197    
    In response to AntiUngvar

Anyone know the extent of Tape's injury?

 
Chet Forte 
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11-10-18 10:42 PM - Post#265198    
    In response to AntiUngvar

We cannot win games when we give significant minutes to players who do not have the ability to score at the college level.


 
AntiUngvar 
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11-11-18 12:17 AM - Post#265203    
    In response to Chet Forte

True, and I feel your pain, Chet. I'd have put tonight's game in the win column if Messrs. Faulds, Hanson and Meisner we're there to take even half the minutes given tononscorers. Still, Bibbs and Hunter were making their first start, and Killingsworth was playing for the first time in a year- do we really know yet that these kids can't score at the D-1 level? But I'm not here to play devil's advocate. I'd prefer to be Mike Smith's advocate; Smith, in fact,saw 4 teammates score in double figures last night. CU shot close to 50% as a team, and Smith, I believe, facilitated the stat coming into being by showing up in distribution mode. And it behooves Smith to prep in the manner from this day forward; not only for the good of the team; not just because his teammates may appreciate his trusting them; but, primarily, because it's a better look for Smith in the beholding eye of European scouts and other potential employers who may have developed reservations about Smith similar to those festering in me. In any event, I believe there's more reason for the Morningside faithful to feel good about the events in Poughkeepsie than not.


 
internetter 
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11-11-18 12:27 AM - Post#265204    
    In response to AntiUngvar

First game, on the road, at that. New players have to learn and be integrated into the O and D.
In other words, patience!
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Chet Forte 
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11-11-18 07:41 AM - Post#265206    
    In response to internetter

Fair enough. And not having Tape hurt. But we are a small team right now and IMHO that is going to require more minutes in the front court from Nweke and Brumant, both of whom look like they can contribute.


 
cc66 
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11-11-18 08:20 AM - Post#265208    
    In response to Chet Forte

Perhaps we should start Tape, Nweke, Brumant,Steffanini, and Smith? It leaves us thin on backups up front, but that might be our biggest and best lineup.

 
Columbia 37P6 
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11-11-18 10:40 AM - Post#265212    
    In response to cc66

You are proposing an interesting tall, line-up that might well be our best line-up overall, or at least against certain opponents. However, given that we have only played one game, it seems obvious that neither the coaching staff nor fans like ourselves have seen enough to make any definitive statements about who should get playing time and when. Also, we don't even know what is going on yet with Tape's injury, Davis' absence, Ellis' readiness, etc. etc. Finally, is the roster really set, or has Engles reached out for assistance to the football team to add some depth up front? There seem to be a couple of big upperclassman on the football team who played football as well in high school.

 
SomeGuy 
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11-11-18 01:40 PM - Post#265220    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

Other thing to keep in mind is whether playing 3 bigs at once makes it harder to manage fouls, etc., to keep 2 on the floor at once. In other words, you may need to bring Brumant off the bench in order to effectively spell the other 2.


 
Dr. V 
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11-11-18 01:41 PM - Post#265221    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

Since we're very thin up front, we can't afford to start all three bigs as even splitting the two up-from positions into three means that each would have to be ready to play 27 minutes, which is a lot given that many bigs get into foul trouble etc.

 
cc66 
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11-11-18 01:56 PM - Post#265223    
    In response to Dr. V

Yes, I know: it is the ideal starting lineup, if only ugly foul math did not intrude.

 
Columbia 37P6 
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11-11-18 02:36 PM - Post#265226    
    In response to cc66

Also, regardless of who starts, the Lions will need some production from the bench so it's more of an eight to ten man rotation thing than a starting line-up matter. So despite the several positives from the Marist game, Columbia will certainly need to find another two or three prolific scorers.

 
internetter 
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11-11-18 03:07 PM - Post#265227    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

Perhaps I missed it, but there seems to be nothing about the best 3-shooter on the team, one of in the Ivies: Adlesh.
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AntiUngvar 
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11-11-18 04:34 PM - Post#265231    
    In response to internetter

Int:
Quinton was solid last night; appearing to accept what must be viewed as a demotion like the champ, good character, team-first individual he is. Still, he played more minutes than Bibbs & Hunter combined; managed to hit a couple of 3s and score in double figures.
Re, RandyBrumant- Last night Randy played 21 minutes-accumulating 11 points, 6 rbs., 2 steals & 1 assist. ALL of last season (in games against D-1 opponents), Randy played 21 minutes, scored 2 points & grabbed- 1 rebound-that's it! My (perhaps incorrect) thought is that, for the time being, last night may have provided enough of a confidence boost & elevation in Randy's status with the team.
Re, Ike Nweke- This kid was a revelation because he did not defer to the upperclassmen! When he got the ball in scoring position against Marist, Nweke took the ball to the hoop, and usually made the basket or got fouled and made his free throws. Patrick's a nice kid, and a fine athlete, but perhaps a tad too deferential in his interplay with Smith. You simply can't pass up good shot attempts when you're out there with Smith- you then just lose his respect and may not see the ball again in a a good shooting spot for another month. Nweke put in 17 points last night- Patrick's never come close to doing that in 2 years; and the nine rebounds Nweke secured is a total that Tape's matched only twice & exceeded once (10 rbs. being Tape's career high). Hate to hear about Pat's injury status; but Nweke's now earned his place on the court till he proves otherwise.
Re, Hunter, Bibbs & Killingsworth. We desperately need more information from these guys before writing them off. Combined, this threesome took only 4 shots against Marist, though they totalled forty man-minutes- perhaps three more player examples of too much subservience to Smith. Bibbs and Hunter are both long and athletic, and capable of contributing even when they're not shooting. And Killingsworth, last night, saw 15 minutes of action for the first time since March, 2017. Note, too, that, as a freshman 2 years ago, Killingsworth notched 17 points against St. Joseph's of Philly (on 6 of 9 shooting) and 14 against Brown (5 of 10)- that may not qualify as the "prolific" scoring 37P6 seems to demand, but it can't hurt.
Re, Peter Barba- this is a kid who's worked extremely hard in his 3 plus years at CU. Given some long range opportunities, Peter will make his share.
An interesting slice of 60s nostalgia was put out there by 37P6 via the football/basketball combo player idea. However, to get help, one must realize they require it and are willing to request it; that doesn't sound like the CU basketball coach to me- he's too proud, and Al Bagnoli's too territorially-inclined and, at the moment, possesses too much leverage to ever allow for such utilization of any of his prize recruits. But beyond any of this fantasizing- simply given the competitive cauldron essence defining Columbia College & SEAS today, it would, I think, be academic suicide for any full time undergraduate to be seriously playing and/or practicing these two sports from late July and consistently so into March of the following year.


 
rbg 
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11-11-18 05:22 PM - Post#265233    
    In response to AntiUngvar

With a number of offensive talents, the points should continue to be there for Columbia. The defense, however, is a much bigger concern.

Marist, which entered at #259, shot 42.9% (12-28) from three and 58.6% (17-29) from two. They also outrebounded the Lions 39-32.

Of course, it was only one game, but this is a smaller team than last year's team that had its difficulties on the defensive end.

 
Columbia 37P6 
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11-11-18 06:09 PM - Post#265238    
    In response to rbg

More good stuff f/AntiU--I do agree, with one point of clarification, namely, that I was in no way suggesting that any Columbia player switch sports, or even double up in two sports. I just thought there might be one or two big senior linemen with high school basketball experience who might want to play a little roundball after the football season ends next Saturday. I'm just concerned about our depth up front if one of our three bigs incurs a serious injury.

Edited by Columbia 37P6 on 11-11-18 06:10 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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