PennFan10
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11-05-18 04:58 PM - Post#264327
In response to Jeff2sf
no doubt i've been wrong before. but it's COMPLETELY different to be matched up primarily on a 3 vs to cover on a switch at the end of a shot clock (or whatever). There's no way Steve wants that on any sort of regular basis.
Our best lineup is closer to 1 and 4 Smalls than 3 and and 2 smalls. Just is, man. just is.
We can agree to disagree on this, again. We just can.
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SomeGuy
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11-05-18 05:00 PM - Post#264328
In response to Jeff2sf
I’m generally right with you in this Jeff, but I’m keeping an open mind. If Wang is a “big†in anything close to the traditional sense, it absolutely won’t work. But he also could just be a 6’10 guard. Those things do exist, though not normally at our level. The narrative here makes it sound more questionable— he talks like a big who is being asked to defend guards, rather than like a very tall guard. But that could just be narrative.
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Jeff2sf
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11-05-18 05:09 PM - Post#264329
In response to SomeGuy
right, someguy. if he's Koko, then ok. But 1. I don't think Koko was Koko his freshmen year and 2. generally if you're a 6'10 guard, you're thinking NBA and playing at a level a little higher than us.
Hey tho, Steve's pretty good at this. So we shall see.
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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11-05-18 05:09 PM - Post#264330
In response to SomeGuy
Correct. It’s generally not a big playing under the basket in the 1-3-1. AJ would play in the middle.
Sight unseen, I do wonder if Wang’s length would work at the top of the 1-3-1. Yale uses Bruner there.
I seem to recall Betley being at the top of that 1-3-1. Worked pretty well there I thought.
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Streamers
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11-05-18 05:10 PM - Post#264331
In response to SomeGuy
Correct. It’s generally not a big playing under the basket in the 1-3-1. AJ would play in the middle.
Sight unseen, I do wonder if Wang’s length would work at the top of the 1-3-1. Yale uses Bruner there.
Interesting. I didn't get the sense watching him that one time that Wang's feet are quick enough to be the top of a 1-3-1, but he sure is long. As to the bottom, I see the point about AJ belonging in the middle, but the closest thing we have to Howard underneath would be Tyler.
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PennFan10
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11-05-18 10:16 PM - Post#264351
In response to Streamers
What about Tyler is remotely comparable to Matt Howard?
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palestra38
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11-05-18 10:53 PM - Post#264356
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Drew the biggest offensive foul in Penn history
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SomeGuy
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11-05-18 11:05 PM - Post#264358
In response to PennFan10
Well, they are of similar height and at times Tyler spelled Howard as the undersized four.
The thing about that back guard spot in the 1-3-1 is that it really seemed to depend upon Howard’s decision making. To me, Woods is unquestionably the guy who would play there if we did it.
That said, I hope we have the horses to play man again. Last year was fun.
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SomeGuy
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11-05-18 11:10 PM - Post#264359
In response to Jeff2sf
True. Of course, Koko was ultimately a 4 his last two years anyway.
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Streamers
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11-06-18 08:59 AM - Post#264368
In response to SomeGuy
To me, the best thing about playing zone is that you can use it situationally as a change of pace when you need it. I’m not talking about using it as the primary defense. As for Tyler, his size, quickness and leaping ability make him one of our best defenders when he wants to be. I can think of several Ivy players I’d love to see him guard man-man, but he could also be an exceptional zone defender. Like Howard, he would be more of a factor if he developed a reliable outside shot. He has talent and could be a great experienced option to have off the bench if the coaches develop some more confidence in him.
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PennFan10
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11-06-18 01:07 PM - Post#264385
In response to Streamers
Confidence is earned through a complete understanding of how to play within a system. Things like shot selection, defense, passing, spacing. Playing time isn’t just about what you can do on the court, it’s about what you won’t do. You can’t make 1 great play and 2 negative plays. If there is a player who isn’t on the court despite obvious talent, it’s often because of an obvious flaw in one or more of these areas.
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Streamers
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11-06-18 03:51 PM - Post#264396
In response to PennFan10
Confidence is earned through a complete understanding of how to play within a system. Things like shot selection, defense, passing, spacing. Playing time isn’t just about what you can do on the court, it’s about what you won’t do. You can’t make 1 great play and 2 negative plays. If there is a player who isn’t on the court despite obvious talent, it’s often because of an obvious flaw in one or more of these areas.
Oh no doubt you are right about this. I just think that Tyler could be a significant contributor if things fell into place for him.
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OldBig5
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11-07-18 10:36 PM - Post#264732
In response to Streamers
This discussion reminded me a little of the Quakers when Bilsky and Wohl graduated. They went with that Cotler/Calhoun/Morse/Hank inson/Littlepage lineup the next year. Everyone between 6'5" and 6'8". Of course there was no 3 point line to cover. Or 3 point line for Morse to exploit. Just imagine.
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