Mike Porter
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11-12-18 08:51 PM - Post#265348
I'll start a thread for tomorrow's game. Don't know much about their squad this year, but KP has them at around 274. Despite that, they just beat La Salle, at La Salle so clearly can't take them lightly.
Any word yet on if Woods will be able to play? If we are down yet another starter, who fills in?
Expect Silpe will be the biggest beneficiary of more mins, but wonder if we have to go a bit bigger for stretches with more time for Wang or maybe a little more run for Scott?
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Silver Maple
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11-12-18 09:31 PM - Post#265356
In response to Mike Porter
I think Washington's minutes will steadily progress. Clearly, the coaches like him. He wasn't brilliant in game 2, but was better than in game 1. We should expect him to continue to get better.
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Mike Porter
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11-12-18 11:52 PM - Post#265365
In response to Silver Maple
Oh yeah sorry I should have been clear that I expect Washington to start as a given based on current circumstances. But, if Woods also is out tomorrow, that puts us down a second starter so I’m wondering who would fill that gap.
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1979Quakers
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Age: 58
Reg: 06-06-17
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Re: Lafayette
11-13-18 01:47 AM - Post#265377
In response to Mike Porter
Line is -11.
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1979Quakers
Freshman
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Age: 58
Reg: 06-06-17
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Re: Lafayette
11-13-18 01:52 AM - Post#265378
In response to 1979Quakers
Very surprised to see the Quakers received 1 vote in the AP Top 25.
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Charlie Fog
Masters Student
Posts: 586
Age: 55
Loc: Philly
Reg: 11-12-13
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Re: Lafayette
11-13-18 08:10 AM - Post#265382
In response to 1979Quakers
only one? 
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10Q
Professor
Posts: 23360
Loc: Suburban Philly
Reg: 11-21-04
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Lafayette
11-13-18 08:36 AM - Post#265384
In response to Charlie Fog
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMRrNY0pxfM
Edited by 10Q on 11-13-18 08:36 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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penn nation
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Re: Lafayette
11-13-18 09:24 AM - Post#265385
In response to 1979Quakers
Probably thought he was voting for Penn State.
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10Q
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11-13-18 10:47 AM - Post#265396
In response to penn nation
It's dollar dog night. All dogs get in for a buck.
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gopenngo
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11-13-18 12:55 PM - Post#265412
In response to 10Q
"Hatfield Dollar Dog Night at MacQuarie Court at the Historic Palestra, sponsored by Timeless Hairpieces."
Every night will be a "sold-out" Palestra.
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palestra38
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11-13-18 12:58 PM - Post#265414
In response to gopenngo
If they are selling the dogs off the grill on the West end stand, that's a great deal.
But probably, they will be cold, rubbery, previously microwaved dogs sold from a counter
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10Q
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11-13-18 12:58 PM - Post#265415
In response to gopenngo
Good one.
Even the streamers are sponsored now.
Hurrah Hurrah Delta Airlines.
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Quakers03
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11-13-18 08:14 PM - Post#265445
In response to 10Q
Wang has such great vision.
17-6 early. Very sloppy from Lafayette.
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Quakers03
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11-13-18 08:20 PM - Post#265446
In response to Quakers03
11-0 run. Tied. Ugly.
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Silver Maple
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11-13-18 08:30 PM - Post#265447
In response to Quakers03
Dev Goodman can dunk?
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rbg
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11-13-18 08:31 PM - Post#265449
In response to Silver Maple
Cheap foul on AJ, which is #2. He'll have to sit the last 5 minutes of the half.
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rbg
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11-13-18 08:32 PM - Post#265450
In response to rbg
Nice threes from Simmons and Goodman.
Ray Jerome picks up his 2nd foul in 3 minutes of action.
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Quakers03
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11-13-18 08:33 PM - Post#265451
In response to rbg
We’re getting the run from Jarrod that everyone else seems to getvst oractice. Grestvyo see him aggressive. Nice sport to go up 10.
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10Q
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11-13-18 08:44 PM - Post#265452
In response to Quakers03
Justin. Where are you?
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weinhauers_ghost
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11-13-18 08:49 PM - Post#265453
In response to Quakers03
We’re getting the run from Jarrod that everyone else seems to getvst oractice. Grestvyo see him aggressive. Nice sport to go up 10.
Simmons has looked sharp. I hope he can keep building on this productivity.
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rbg
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11-13-18 08:51 PM - Post#265455
In response to 10Q
Penn
50% FG
31% 3 FG (5-16)
100% FT (5-5)
Lafayette
46% FG
27% 3 FG (3-11)
0% FT (0-1)
Leading rebounds 17-15
Goodman 12, Woods 8, Simmons 8, Rothschild 5, Brodeur 4, Washington 3, Silpe 2, Wang 2
Brodeur and Jerome with 2 fouls each
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Silver Maple
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11-13-18 08:59 PM - Post#265457
In response to rbg
Lafayette has 10 turnovers. Penn has 5. That's most of the difference right there.
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rbg
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11-13-18 09:01 PM - Post#265458
In response to Silver Maple
Max with the sweet behind the back pass to Brodeur for the layup.
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AsiaSunset
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11-13-18 09:08 PM - Post#265460
In response to rbg
Don’t want to jinx us but this is a nice looking team. Steve is playing a lot of guys and they are all contributing
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dperry
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11-13-18 09:09 PM - Post#265462
In response to AsiaSunset
Just abusing these guys inside now.
David Perry
Penn '92
"Hail, Alma Mater/Thy sons cheer thee now
To thee, Pennsylvania/All rivals must bow!!!" |
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rbg
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11-13-18 09:09 PM - Post#265463
In response to rbg
Max with another great assist to Brodeur and then went coast-to-coast for two!
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Silver Maple
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11-13-18 09:09 PM - Post#265464
In response to AsiaSunset
This is the best passing frontcourt I've ever seen at Penn.
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TheLine
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Lafayette
11-13-18 09:32 PM - Post#265471
In response to Silver Maple
This reminds me of what Penn basketball was like.
Better in some ways - the back of the bench wasn't this good in my day.
Edited by TheLine on 11-13-18 09:35 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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dperry
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Re: Lafayette
11-13-18 09:46 PM - Post#265473
In response to TheLine
Yeah, nice to take a bad team and, you know, make 'em look bad. 
David Perry
Penn '92
"Hail, Alma Mater/Thy sons cheer thee now
To thee, Pennsylvania/All rivals must bow!!!" |
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Silver Maple
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Lafayette
11-13-18 09:52 PM - Post#265475
In response to dperry
Usually I consider depth to be overrated, as it's harder to use your deep bench than it looks to amateurs. But I think this coach might know how to do it. We'll see if this holds up against better competition.
I believe in Steve.
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rbg
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11-13-18 09:53 PM - Post#265477
In response to TheLine
Penn
57% FG
45% 3 FG (13-29)
89% FT (8-9)
Lafayette
50% FG
40% 3 FG (8-20)
33% FT (1-3)
Rebounds in Penn's favor 29-25
19 assists, 10 turnovers
Goodman 16, Woods 14, Simmons 11, Brodeur 10
Rothschild 9 points, 6 rebounds, 6 assists
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SomeGuy
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Re: Lafayette
11-13-18 10:07 PM - Post#265481
In response to Silver Maple
I think this is working better than previously for Steve (even with these same guys). Two years ago when we would play a million guys toward the end of the first half, we always looked pretty bad. Tonight, at least in the first half, the extended run for some backups worked great.
We just look a lot deeper than our opponents. Not much tentative play right now — like last year, this looks like a group that buys in. The backups don’t generally look like they’re trying to do too much — instead they look like they know exactly what their role is.
These first 3 may not have been the toughest opponents, but it is fun to beat the teams you are supposed to beat, and at least tonight, beat them a lot more convincingly than we were supposed to.
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10Q
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11-13-18 10:25 PM - Post#265484
In response to SomeGuy
Really the only rough stretch of the game was when we had the 2 freshmen in early. Steve corrected that and we re-established our dominance.
I can't get over that behind the back pass.
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palestra38
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11-13-18 10:35 PM - Post#265485
In response to 10Q
Man that was fun. And not long ago, an opening 3 with a road game against an A-10, a home against an C-USA and Lafayette would be 1-2 at best.
Our top 8 are so much better than I would have expected given the Betley injury. I am really optimistic--we can post, shoot the 3, and play really tough D. Goodman is a revelation.
Too bad we don't have another home game for a week and a half and then it's Atlantic City U. But all I can say is that Donahue is a genius.
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PennFan10
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 11-13-18 10:54 PM - Post#265487
In response to palestra38
Don't look now but two games in a row of making FT's.
I just jinxed us..... 
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SomeGuy
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11-13-18 11:03 PM - Post#265490
In response to palestra38
Goodman was great on both ends of the court tonight. He drew the toughest assignment tonight, perhaps because of Woods being a bit gimpy, and he totally shut his man down.
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Chip Bayers
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11-13-18 11:05 PM - Post#265492
In response to SomeGuy
Yeah, holding Jaworski to single digits might have been the best thing about the night.
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SomeGuy
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11-13-18 11:06 PM - Post#265493
In response to PennFan10
Hey, even the one game they missed them was fine for the Some Guy Family — we got a Penn win and we got Free chick-fil-a. Sounds like a win win to me.
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Quakers03
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11-13-18 11:25 PM - Post#265496
In response to SomeGuy
Just an incredibly impressive team performance. He’s going to have to work his butt off but Steve may end up counting this as one of his favorite seasons. To say they have all bought in would be an understatement. What a pleasure.
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Penndemonium
PhD Student
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Reg: 11-29-04
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11-14-18 01:19 AM - Post#265501
In response to Quakers03
I'm going to have to watch the game on replay when I get home, but one observation I have from the box score and the board commentary is that this will not be a year of a fixed bench rotation. We will have our core four, but after that Donahue will play the matchup and somehow get the right contributions from different players. In the first game, Wang was a monster and Hamilton made strong contributions. Against Rice, Washington and Silpe stepped up. In this game, it appears that Simmons was huge.
It doesn't seem ordained that any of these guys will see a lot of time in any particular matchup, but all seem poised to get time. I won't be surprised if these guys, Donahue, Scott, Imegwu, and others wind up to be the heroes in a particular game. This team seems poised to continue the selfless "next man up" attitude that they demonstrated last year.
Finding a consistent pattern in the rotation would make things easier for us pundits - but this team seems content to play as a selfless whole in their own style.
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SomeGuy
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11-14-18 08:21 AM - Post#265504
In response to Penndemonium
Like the way Donahue is handling mistakes right now too. Hamilton and Silpe are now getting to play through mistakes. Simmons got pulled for a short chat last night, and then was put right back in the game a minute later. Nice to see Ray Jerome for an extended run when it mattered as well.
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Silver Maple
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11-14-18 09:34 AM - Post#265507
In response to Penndemonium
That approach is probably more difficult for opposing teams to prepare for, so there's that.
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palestra38
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11-14-18 09:46 AM - Post#265510
In response to SomeGuy
Our group was commenting last night that this was the first time we recall Ray Jerome getting first half minutes (perhaps in the Div 3 game). Clearly, the first insertion of subs didn't work, as we blew that 17-6 lead, but as soon as the starters were re-inserted and got the 10 point lead back, everyone played pretty well. There is a huge difference in defense with the young guys right now, but they can shoot the 3, which is very very encouraging.
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PennFan10
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Lafayette
11-14-18 09:47 AM - Post#265512
In response to Silver Maple
I don't know anything specific but I would be very surprised if Donahue doesn't shorten the rotation significantly come January. This strikes me as trying a bunch of new stuff and see what the pieces are. He did this in his first year or two a lot before he really knew what he had. With Ryan out, there are now only 3 returning starters from last year so the minutes are more up for grabs early.
I think he will settle on his 7 or 8 guys by the time we get to the Ivy's.
Edited by PennFan10 on 11-14-18 09:48 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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10Q
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11-14-18 09:51 AM - Post#265514
In response to PennFan10
Let's hope he has some really tough decisions because of an embarrassment of riches.
I think he needs to not have 2 freshmen in at the same time. But what do I know.
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Streamers
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11-14-18 10:05 AM - Post#265515
In response to Silver Maple
That approach is probably more difficult for opposing teams to prepare for, so there's that.
This is a good point.
As to January, I think we will see 8-9 man rotations. Why? Because he can and we have already seen the impact of fresh legs late in games against teams that cannot match our depth. I also think it won’t be the same 9 guys every game as matchups are exploited.
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FlaQuaker
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11-14-18 10:23 AM - Post#265523
In response to Streamers
Last night was a great performance but I don't think we should get too optimistic about our depth when matched up against a team that KenPom has at #293. Yes, the guys all played well and it's certainly encouraging, but keep in mind that Lafayette is 45 spots below Dartmouth (#248). The Jam should provide a better gauge of where the team stands.
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TheLine
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11-14-18 10:24 AM - Post#265525
In response to Streamers
Agree. Think we'll see something akin to last year where the first 6 players were set in stone and the last 1-3 players would vary any given game based on matchups.
Right now it looks like :
Solid : AJ, Antonio, Max, Dev
Inside track : Mike, Jake, Bryce
Everyone else needs to make a case. Tyler has been getting minutes and maybe he slots in with the inside track guys. I'm rooting for Jarrod to build on yesterday's performance.
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palestra38
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11-14-18 10:27 AM - Post#265526
In response to FlaQuaker
Lafayette already had won at No. 184 LaSalle and took No. 204 St. Peter's to OT, also on the road. This was a good performance.
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10Q
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11-14-18 10:44 AM - Post#265530
In response to palestra38
Agreed. We kicked the crud out of a decent team.
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TheLine
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11-14-18 10:49 AM - Post#265532
In response to 10Q
It's TBD if Lafayette is any good.
It was a crud kicking for sure. The entire team looked good doing it. That's a plus. I'd like to see how the team handles better competition.
KP rankings to think about :
UMass : 143
George Mason : 144
Cal : 168
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pennhoops
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11-14-18 10:51 AM - Post#265533
In response to TheLine
I'd like to see how the team handles better competition.
beat northern iowa and we'll learn a lot
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palestra38
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11-14-18 10:52 AM - Post#265534
In response to TheLine
Again, the most noticeable difference between the starters and 2nd team was defense. Twice, the second team allowed 10-0 runs. The first team kicked their butts all over the court and never allowed them to breathe.
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Silver Maple
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11-14-18 10:57 AM - Post#265535
In response to palestra38
Some more rankings to think about:
Northern Iowa: 138
Eastern Kentucky: 272
Kansas State: 21
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PennFan10
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11-14-18 02:19 PM - Post#265575
In response to Silver Maple
I would be disappointed if we don't beat Northern Iowa in the opener in St Thomas. That doesn't mean we will, as NI doesn't turn the ball over much (last year 11.4x a game and 10x this year through 2 games). They also aren't a great assist team and go one on one a lot. They had 8 assists in their loss to UT Arlington and averaged just under 11 a game.
If we beat them, Kansas State likely awaits, an elite 8 team and KP #21. That will be a fun test.
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