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atlantabison 
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11-12-18 09:08 PM - Post#265361    

https://bucknellbison.com/news/2018/11/12/mens- bas...
Ray Bucknell!


 
Bison89 
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11-13-18 12:07 PM - Post#265417    
    In response to atlantabison

It will be good to have Nate Jones back in the lineup. Senior leadership has typically really helped the Bison.
'RAY FOR THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE!


 
bison63 
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11-13-18 05:11 PM - Post#265435    
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Canisius is a better team than Fairfield, but I expect a much better performance from the Bison tonight!

 
HuskyColonial 
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Canisius game
11-13-18 07:30 PM - Post#265448    
    In response to bison63

What exactly do you do when the other team can’t miss a 3 pointer? They made one of those three with the net complete stuffed inside the hoop!

Edited by HuskyColonial on 11-13-18 07:31 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
bison63 
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11-13-18 07:51 PM - Post#265454    
    In response to HuskyColonial

The foul shooting by this team is inexcusable. How does ND allow this to continue?

 
Bison89 
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11-13-18 08:02 PM - Post#265459    
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Ugly first half. Set screens for Sotos and Mackenzie. Let them bomb away.

Ditto everything about FT shitting. (No, that's not a typo.)
'RAY FOR THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE!


 
MrPhillie 
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11-13-18 08:08 PM - Post#265461    
    In response to Bison89

Men against boys...varsity against jv....hopefully we can keep it respectable.

 
HuskyColonial 
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11-13-18 08:11 PM - Post#265465    
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I expected much more from Moore and Toomer.

 
HuskyColonial 
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11-13-18 08:17 PM - Post#265467    
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I’m not sure I’ve seen a worse defensive performance in recent years.

 
bison63 
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11-13-18 08:17 PM - Post#265468    
    In response to HuskyColonial

I thought we’d compete tonight. Not so, at least so far.

 
bison63 
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11-13-18 08:31 PM - Post#265470    
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Oops! Did I speak to soon? Robertson is becoming more than just an ESPN highlight reel actor. He is making a difference.

 
HuskyColonial 
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11-13-18 08:32 PM - Post#265472    
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My God the officiating is a joke

 
bison63 
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11-13-18 08:53 PM - Post#265476    
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Anybody notice a trend in these first 3 games? In all three we fell behind by double digits. In all three we made no stops when the other team was piling up their lead. And in all three we turned the tide not by shooting lights out, but by stopping the other team. We are not playing defense in the first half, plain and simple.

 
atlantabison 
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11-13-18 09:07 PM - Post#265480    
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My first impression was that Canisius is going to be a very strong mid major team this year. While I see issues with our defense, the other side of the coin is to give credit to the opposition. This team was better than St Bonnie or Fairfield.
Ray Bucknell!


 
BisonFan4 
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11-13-18 09:11 PM - Post#265482    
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We would be 3-0 with a healthy Sestina.

 
HuskyColonial 
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11-13-18 09:11 PM - Post#265483    
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Defense and free throw shooting. Couldn’t agree more. And I’m not sure what happened to Bruce Moore but he looks completely out of sorts. He was AWFUL defensively for a third year player.

Newman has huge upside. His game is unpolished and he doesn’t do anything yet with consistent proficiency. But he has more versatility to his game NOW than Nana did. He had a drive to the basket in the first half that I don’t think any Center we’ve had other than Moose has done since I remember.

 
jkrun80 
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11-13-18 10:01 PM - Post#265489    
    In response to HuskyColonial

Sotos had a great game in contrast to the first two. Now if we could just get everybody playing to their potential on the same night.

 
MrPhillie 
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11-13-18 10:04 PM - Post#265491    
    In response to HuskyColonial

I’m not sure we’d be 3-0 with Sestina, Canisius is very athletic and a quality team. However, we definitely would be 2-1. No crime in losing to Canisius, although we looked awful in the first half. The Fairfield game is certainly one we will look back on and shake our heads. Sotos kept us in it for quite a while until others helped out. But averaging 5.5 TO’s is not good.

I agree that we are not getting as much from Bruce and Avi as as we thought. If ever there is a time for experienced upperclassmen to step up, it is now, when injuries occur and freshmen and other inexperienced players have to play. I really wouldn’t mind seeing Ellis get more time and let him feel his way...he’s going to be a very good player. Lastly, I agree with all of the praise for Newman. He’s a pleasant surprise.

 
Bucknellbisonfan21 
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11-13-18 10:13 PM - Post#265495    
    In response to MrPhillie

Robertson definitely helped spark the run in the second half. I wouldn’t have minded seeing him get more minutes over Bruce since the Canisius forwards weren’t really factors in the game.

 
bison63 
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11-13-18 11:50 PM - Post#265500    
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FIX THE EFFING FOUL SHOOTING!!!! They have 10 days, I suggest they spend nine of them practicing free throws.

 
Paulie777 
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11-14-18 08:02 AM - Post#265505    
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Kimbal and to a lesser degree Bruce need just a little support until their superstar mode kicks in. Otherwise they play flat. Maybe Sotos will provide that spark from here on in.
This team is getting into a pattern of playing from behind. Exciting, but risky at the same time.
They uncharacteristically threw in the towel the last 30 seconds of the game. I didn't like that.

 
HuskyColonial 
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11-14-18 09:19 AM - Post#265521    
    In response to bison63

Robertson djd a nice job slashing to the hoop with his athleticism and also was willing to bang underneath. While the defense SUCKED in the first half, Canisius made every contested 3 too. Sometimes the hoop looks like a hot tub and that’s just basketball.

Sotos pressed sometimes but to have a PG capable of filling it up like he can is great.

BTW does anyone remember what Badmus stat line was in the Kansas upset? 2 points, 11 assists and 0 turnovers. I watched a highlight real on YouTube and totally forgot how important Abe was to that team. The unsung hero really.

 
bison63 
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11-14-18 10:05 AM - Post#265536    
    In response to HuskyColonial

Stats said Canisius was 8-13 on 3’s in the first half. I must’ve turned my head on the 5 misses.

 
Bison89 
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11-14-18 12:13 PM - Post#265564    
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(Read with a sarcastic voice.) Oh, you are supposed to make Free Throws!!! Watching the Bison shoot, I wasn't sure.

As for Moore's game, I, in addition to some people above, am disappointed. I thought that he would be much more polished at this point. He definitely has the physical ability to be a major factor in games, but he seems lost when he plays on both O and D. Is this the player, or is it coaching?

On the other hand, I am pleasantly surprised with Newman. After last year, I was not expecting much. He previously looked like a below the rim, somewhat out of shape player who relied on size to overcome competition. Now, he looks like he really hit the weight room, is playing above the rim, and has lots of upside. His shot blocking ability is completely unexpected.

Learn to shoot free throws, come out and play D from the beginning, and this team will be fine. These are coaching issues.

GO BISON!
'RAY FOR THE ORANGE AND THE BLUE!


 
HuskyColonial 
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11-14-18 10:01 PM - Post#265639    
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Repeating myself but if Newman improves this much to start next year he’ll be the best center in the PL. His defense is lacking and a short jumper would be a nice addition.

Moore and Toomer were and have been non factors all season. I really thought Avi would blow up this year too but at this point he has shouldered any of the load expected of a 3rd year starter. And I’m sorry but Moore looks completely lost.



 
JDBison2010 
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11-17-18 07:55 PM - Post#266146    
    In response to HuskyColonial

Canisius lost in their home opener today to Albany by 9.

6-30 from 3 and 14-25 from the line

 
Bison137 
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11-17-18 08:13 PM - Post#266148    
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  • JDBison2010 Said:
Canisius lost in their home opener today to Albany by 9.

6-30 from 3 and 14-25 from the line





As opposed to 10-22 on threes vs the Bison, and 20-25 from the line. Had they shot the same pct against Bucknell, they end up with 21 fewer points.

Hard to say how much is defense on the threes and how much is randomness. I do know that Albany didn't defend the three well at all vs Boston U. I also know it wasn't the defense that made them shoot 80% from the line vs the Bison and 56% vs Albany.




 
Old Bison 
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11-18-18 09:04 AM - Post#266224    
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Tough to play the comparison game. Just too many variables. Army was down 6 to Duke with 11 minutes left at Cameron. They lost to Sacred Heart yesterday. Bottom line is you have to come to play for 40 minutes every opportunity. Element of human nature involved. Every game is also a contest of individual matchups within the game. How well do you defend if you’re big and the other guys are playing predominantly with 4 guards. So much preparation that goes into taking away what the other team wants to do. Question of whether or not you actually have the personnel to achieve it depends on how well you do/don’t match up. Shooting is sometimes just missing and sometimes the other guy being “all up in your life” as one ESPN announcer famously said. Also, if you’re confidence is shaky then the balls not going in (ie, Avi 2-11 FTA). We have confidence issues w/o Nate on the floor. Additional problem of our best defenders not being our best scorers. Issue there is whether that baked in or whether it’s just something we’re seeing in the short term. If it’s baked in then you have some philosophy and personnel decisions you’re going to have to make and play through. Bottom line is you have to come to play every minute every night or you have problems. How does FU score 40 in the 1st half and 20 in the second? How does Canisius score 48 in the first half? Did we really having any right beating Colgate down 10 with a minute left. How do you almost lose that game by 10 and come back and beat the same team by 29 two weeks later. Not easy being a Coach. Hope the guys are all getting along with their girlfriends...good a place to start as any 😁

 
MrPhillie 
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11-18-18 12:49 PM - Post#266239    
    In response to Old Bison

Nothing new, but we’re going to have a difficult time containing athletic players that also have basketball skills. To me, Canisius had several good athletes that were also hitting shots. We had a struggle against a quick, athletic freshman from Fairfield (on a side note, if we had even average offense that game we win...that loss is still a bad one). Given our defensive approach, we have to have decent athletes to be successful. Maybe we have them, maybe not. But I agree that it is a mindset as well.

 
MrPhillie 
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11-23-18 11:40 AM - Post#266815    
    In response to MrPhillie

Early on, Bucknell is the only win for both Fairfield and Canisius. Granted Canisius played two difficult opponents, but they were handled. Still am more disappointed with the Fairfield performance overall. With a difficult schedule coming up, I hope the Bison can improve and maybe get a few wins.

 
HoleinOne 
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11-23-18 01:13 PM - Post#266817    
    In response to HuskyColonial

Husky, you have posted here for awhile. This is the Patriot League. It would be unique news if the officiating was good or average.

 
HoleinOne 
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11-23-18 01:15 PM - Post#266818    
    In response to bison63

Its wouldn't bother me to see Mr. Davis show more emotion to motivate this team.

 
bisonmania 
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11-23-18 05:14 PM - Post#266829    
    In response to HoleinOne

Davis has shown much more emotion than in years past I assure you that. He has been much more vocal. I believe the past couple years he left the big three take care of much of that. I was concerned going into this season but he has stepped it up big time! He has shown moments of when DP was the coach.

 
HuskyColonial 
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11-23-18 06:02 PM - Post#266833    
    In response to HoleinOne

True. I’m a doe eyed optimist I guess.

 
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