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11-17-18 10:31 PM - Post#266160
Yale hanging in there. A pretty sloppy game by both teams. Memphis with some serious athleticism and size but Yale has better teamwork. Its shooting from long distance is keeping them in this.
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11-17-18 10:34 PM - Post#266161
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Yale looked very cohesive against Cal, everyone knowing his role and where the other guys were going to be, playing under control. My guess is that Yale and Penn will have the most natural-seeming chemistry this season.
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Memphis 11-17-18 10:54 PM - Post#266163
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Monroe finally puts them up by 2 with a coast to coast layup...and one. His first bucket of the night.
3 minutes to play.
Yale will be in big trouble if this goes to OT. Atkinson gone and 2 others with 4 fouls.
Edited by penn nation on 11-17-18 10:55 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Re: Memphis 11-17-18 10:58 PM - Post#266164
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Swain with a 3 from Arkansas to put Yale up 6 with 1:40 to play.
Memphis offense gone completely cold down the stretch.
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Re: Memphis 11-17-18 11:01 PM - Post#266166
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Memphis cuts it to 2, then a big call on a Reynolds move to the hoop. Could have gone either way--the block puts Reynolds on the line with 44 seconds to play to shoot 2.
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Re: Memphis 11-17-18 11:03 PM - Post#266167
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Hits 1 of 2. Yale up 3. Bruner commits his 5th foul with Memphis in the double bonus with 36 seconds to play.
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Re: Memphis 11-17-18 11:04 PM - Post#266168
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Harris hits 1 of 2. Memphis has only hit around 2/3s of its many FTs--might end up being the difference maker in this one.
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Re: Memphis 11-17-18 11:07 PM - Post#266170
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Reynolds gets fouled with 15 seconds to play. Yale in the double bonus. Time out on the floor.
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Re: Memphis 11-17-18 11:10 PM - Post#266172
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Reynolds hits 1 of 2.
Memphis misses, ball off of Yale.
Harris gets fouled shooting a 3 with 2.9 seconds left. Silly foul.
Phills has fouled out now.
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Re: Memphis 11-17-18 11:11 PM - Post#266173
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Harris drains the first two. Yale up 1, calls time out before Harris attempts the third.
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Re: Memphis 11-17-18 11:13 PM - Post#266174
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Hits the third.
Time out.
Tie game with 2.9 seconds to play.
Memphis now 26 for 39(!) from the line.
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11-17-18 11:14 PM - Post#266175
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Oni does not get a shot off in time.
We go to OT.
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11-17-18 11:19 PM - Post#266177
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Copeland with a jumper in the lane to draw first blood for Yale in OT.
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11-17-18 11:20 PM - Post#266178
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Copeland from distance puts them up by 5.
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11-17-18 11:21 PM - Post#266179
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After a Yale goaltend, Copeland goes down the lane and hits another hoop to put Yale back up by 5.
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11-17-18 11:22 PM - Post#266180
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Two FTs by Memphis and then the stifling Memphis press causes Monroe to travel in the backcourt.
Swain fouls, and now Memphis with a chance to cut it to 1 with two made FTs.
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Memphis 11-17-18 11:23 PM - Post#266181
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2:23 to go. Yale up 3 and Oni shooting 2.
Refs reviewing to see if it was a flagrant foul....not sure that it was.
Edited by penn nation on 11-17-18 11:25 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Re: Memphis 11-17-18 11:27 PM - Post#266182
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Flagrant 1 foul.
Oni misses both FTs, but because of the flagrant they get the ball back.
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Re: Memphis 11-17-18 11:29 PM - Post#266183
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A Mempis steal and breakaway cuts it to 1 with 2 minutes to play.
Now Copeland at the line to shoot 2.
Yale looks exhausted. Memphis has been pressing them the entire game after every made hoop.
Copeland drains both to put Yale up 3.
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Memphis 11-17-18 11:30 PM - Post#266184
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Copeland with another elbow jumper from midrange, after Memphis had scored, to put Yale up 3.
1 minute to play.
Edited by penn nation on 11-17-18 11:30 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Re: Memphis 11-17-18 11:32 PM - Post#266185
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A Memphis miss. Copeland fouled again, shooting two, with 50 seconds to play.
Hits both. Yale up 5.
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Re: Memphis 11-17-18 11:33 PM - Post#266186
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Davenport an easy hoop and gets fouled inside. Hits the FT.
2 point game with 42 seconds to play.
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11-17-18 11:34 PM - Post#266187
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Copeland missed a wild fallaway shot.
Memphis gets fouled inside with 8.7 second to play. Two made FTs will tie this up.
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11-17-18 11:35 PM - Post#266188
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Makes the first. Misses the second....
But Memphis grabs the rebound and calls its last timeout with 6.3 seconds to play. Yale still up 1.
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11-17-18 11:38 PM - Post#266189
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Davenport gets fouled going to the hoop with 3.6 seconds to play.
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11-17-18 11:40 PM - Post#266190
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Very short on the first FT.
Time out Yale. One more FT to go, Yale still up 1 with 3.6 to play. Both teams out of time outs.
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11-17-18 11:41 PM - Post#266191
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Davenport nails the second FT.
Swain misses a half court length prayer and we go to 2OT.
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11-17-18 11:45 PM - Post#266192
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Yale going cold so far. Memphis takes the lead for the first time in a long while, and now another 3 to lead 101-96.
3 minutes to play. All of Yale's shots in the 2OT have been short--clearly exhausted.
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11-17-18 11:45 PM - Post#266193
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Lomax a strong drive to the hoop puts Memphis up 7.
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11-17-18 11:47 PM - Post#266194
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Williams now fouls out--4th Yale player to do so.
Memphis at the line with a chance to go up 9 with 1:33 to play. And they do.
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11-17-18 11:50 PM - Post#266196
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Monroe cuts the lead to 6 with a shot from distance.
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11-17-18 11:52 PM - Post#266197
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Oni misses from 3 (would have cut lead to 4), 26 seconds to play.
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11-17-18 11:53 PM - Post#266198
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Copeland a made 3 cuts it to 5 with 17.7 to play.
107-102.
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11-17-18 11:54 PM - Post#266199
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Final score: 109-102.
Needless to say, the score does not begin to tell the story.
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11-18-18 01:19 AM - Post#266206
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Home court calls to an extreme. Yale called for 40 fouls and Memphis only 22.
At one point on an obvious block by Memphis one particular ref started to signal for a charge on Yale when another ref ran into the fray to cut that BS call off and instead called a block on Memphis. At another point it looked like coach Jones lost it and was literally shoved off the floor and back to the bench by two refs.
Really sad. Yale lost not just because of the calls, but Yale had 5 players foul out. Memphis lost no one.
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11-18-18 01:25 AM - Post#266207
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Yale got a pretty big call when Reynolds was not called for an offensive foul with under a minute to play in regulation.
I don't think Jones can really complain about the officiating. His team could have wrapped it up either in regulation or in the first OT. That's on him, not the refs.
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11-18-18 08:57 AM - Post#266215
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Watched the last 20 minutes of a very exciting game in a traditionally tough setting for a road team against a bunch of highly recruited players at Memphis. Yale should have won the game and missed a great opportunity like many other IL teams over the past several years.
Walkaway for me is that Yale is good plus physically/mentally tough -- reflection of Coach Jones. Plus, they are playing with a full deck -- no injuries unlike the last two years. They will be very tough in IL player especially if their major opponents continue to deal with injuries.
Very well balanced team -- height and skill set with 3 good back up players.
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11-18-18 01:31 PM - Post#266236
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Absolutely. Would not surprise me if they win the Ivy League.
They had quite a few would be baskets which would have gone down in Ivy play but were thwarted by the exceptional athleticism of Memphis.
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Memphis 11-18-18 01:35 PM - Post#266237
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From the Eli's perspective, great year to host the Ivy League Tournament. Copeland, Phils and Reynolds are Seniors.
Same thing with Harvard next year? 7 Seniors
Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 11-18-18 01:37 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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11-18-18 11:16 PM - Post#266425
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Copeland continues to be the Ivy version of a Lou Williams or Jamal Crawford. Somehow always overshadowed though the best pure scorer they have.
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11-19-18 05:00 PM - Post#266468
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I also love the music he wrote for Appalachian Spring.
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11-19-18 06:04 PM - Post#266482
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Just curious: Are there NO Yale basketball fans anywhere on earth? Or is there some other online forum teeming with them and we're just missing out? I hope it's the latter, as James Jones deserves some support.
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Re: Memphis 11-19-18 10:24 PM - Post#266560
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It would be nice indeed if an IL team has a breakout season as the league could use a shot in the arm -- Yale is a possibility this year and Harvard next year as you suggest. Although very early in the season, IL teams continue to lose to top 100 teams like prior years. Several of the games are close but being close at the end of the day does not count.
The game against Memphis was emblematic as to what happens time and time again, year and year again. The better IL teams play competitively but just do not close games out. Maybe Yale or some other team wins a few of these games in the near future but the chain has not yet been broken.
We keep hearing that there will be a break through and I do believe that the league is getting better but expectations seem to outrun reality, won/loss records against quality competition. It always seems that the other team hits their shots when it counts or IL teams turn the ball over. IL teams have injuries yet quality opponents overcome injuries.
Hopefully, brighter days are truly ahead of us.
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11-19-18 11:11 PM - Post#266562
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Interesting observations. We should keep in mind the fact that Ivy squads usually get off to later starts than big conference teams. Likely less summer work as well. Remember, teams like Kansas actually represented our country in summer tournaments while our kids are interning for Google.
In recent history the better Ivy squads seemed like puzzles that came together just in time to play a great Round of 64 game.
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11-20-18 01:24 PM - Post#266648
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Just curious: Are there NO Yale basketball fans anywhere on earth? Or is there some other online forum teeming with them and we're just missing out? I hope it's the latter, as James Jones deserves some support.
Bueller? Anyone?
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11-20-18 03:45 PM - Post#266666
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Dusted off some of the code, because this is interesting to me and doesn't really fit my eye. I thought we were having a pretty impressive non-conf campaign especially considering how short-handed many of the teams are.
Right now, we're having our second-most successful November this decade (avg. game score 47.4 - i.e. in our average game, the league is playing like a .474 pythag team or about 175th nationally). Last year that number was 42.7 and our worst ever November was 36.8 (2013-14).
Four teams have a game score game of 89 or better (Yale, Cornell, Penn and Brown) and there have been nine games with a game score of 66 (~Top 100 in rankings) or better:
Yale (2): N-Cal (92); @Memphis (66)
Penn (2): vs. Lafayette (90); N-UNI (76)
Harvard (2): @UMass (75); @URI (66)
Cornell: @NJIT (90)
Brown: vs. Army (89)
Dartmouth: @Davidson (66)
Yale's average game score thus far is 79, which is 12th best for any team-month this decade. Harvard is at 63 and Penn is at 62 (both Top 50). Dartmouth (yes, DARTMOUTH) is at 54. Princeton and Columbia are having bottom 20 team-months this decade, and that should change for Princeton at the very least as it gets Cannady and Llewellyn back and plays more than one D1 game.
Yes, the league is without a Tier I or Tier II win thus far (though GMU or UMass could end up getting there). And yes, it blew three opportunities in the final seconds for clear Tier II and possibly Tier I wins (@Davidson, @Memphis and @URI). But the league's Top 3 teams have a combined 12 Tier I and II non-conf opportunities left and Princeton, Brown, Cornell and Dartmouth add another 14 more. The league is playing really well right now and should claim a handful of those scalps (especially if it gets healthy sooner rather than later!).
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11-21-18 10:52 PM - Post#266758
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Princeton laid an absolute egg tonight to a pretty bad team at home.
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11-21-18 10:59 PM - Post#266759
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Yeah, Jaelin’s a future pro, but hard to see how he’s saving this season. Still only two D1 games in, but, yiiiiiikes.
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