SomeGuy
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11-20-18 12:25 PM - Post#266629
In response to Jeff2sf
Well, I think it’s more than just “we seem to win when he’s out there†with Max. He’s arguably our best passer right now.
A sort of unrelated note on the spacing/size. I think Oregon State was a tougher matchup because they are taller at every position. They may not be any better than Harvard, but they certainly are much bigger, generally with 2 bigs on the floor with 2-4 inches each on our bigs, a 6’8 guy at the 3, and guards who are 6’5. So we give away at least 2 inches at every position against them. They probably get killed in the PAC10 b/c of some of the reasons you describe about how teams play now; KState would kill them with smaller guys.
Our problem is Oregon State’s bigger guys are also faster and more athletic than we are. So we have more trouble with that matchup. We could’t defend their guards, bigs, and Tinkle at the same time. Woods could only guard one guy at a time.
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palestra38
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11-20-18 12:26 PM - Post#266631
In response to SomeGuy
Did anyone but Tinkle really hurt us?
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SomeGuy
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11-20-18 12:34 PM - Post#266632
In response to palestra38
Did anyone need to?
I thought the bigs in combination with Thompson were an issue as the game went on. Lots of easy buckets for the centers (who shot 9 of 10).
I thought we were slow to put Woods on Tinkle, and that might have been what we needed to do.
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PennFan10
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11-20-18 12:36 PM - Post#266633
In response to Jeff2sf
We have beaten this discussion to death and as you know I completely disagree with your opinion on this so we can agree to disagree.
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Petrie
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11-20-18 01:21 PM - Post#266645
In response to PennFan10
I just skimmed through this thread and the OSU game thread, and I thought I could offer some solace. Despite A J’s recent woes and really tough loss of Betley, buck up - right now at least, princeton sucks so bad they don’t project to be part of ivy tourney. Enjoy our misery.
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palestra38
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11-20-18 01:25 PM - Post#266649
In response to Petrie
I never do, except when Joe Scott was there because he was so obnoxious, as were the Princeton seniors. Henderson's team never was like that.
But I thought you guys were in trouble this year with 3 core players last year that weren't good enough to make the playoff and losing the only one who played D. That class that won the title had the best collection of forwards I had seen in the Ivies in a long long time---almost impossible to replace them.
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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11-20-18 01:25 PM - Post#266650
In response to Petrie
I see Llewellyn hasn't played at all in either game. Is he healthy?
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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11-20-18 01:45 PM - Post#266653
In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
It's been tough for Princeton with no PG at all. No Cannady, LLewllyn or Morales, at least temporarily.
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SRP
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11-20-18 02:38 PM - Post#266661
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
In the new-look Ivy, Penn runs offense through its big man while Princeton struggles without a PG. The world turned upside down.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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11-20-18 02:46 PM - Post#266662
In response to SRP
At least Bruner is healthy
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Ted
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11-20-18 04:39 PM - Post#266670
In response to SomeGuy
"We couldn’t defend their guards, bigs, and Tinkle at the same time."
So maybe our players should drink less water before the game? 
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penn nation
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11-20-18 04:50 PM - Post#266672
In response to Ted
The race car driving circuit never did get tired of talking about Dick Trickle.
Have to wonder about his parents, though.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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11-20-18 05:59 PM - Post#266678
In response to penn nation
I used to do some work with the Baltimore Orioles team doctor, Dr. Richard Passwater. He often went by his shortened first name.
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Old Bear
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11-20-18 08:14 PM - Post#266685
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Recalling the title of this thread, I recommend Oxybutynin, 10/mg.
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Chip Bayers
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11-21-18 07:04 AM - Post#266702
In response to Old Bear
Of the three primary guys in the frontcourt rotation, Brodeur is at 78% of the 40 minutes of game time, Max 53%, Wang 41% through the first 6 games. I won’t be surprised to see Wang matching or surpassing Max fairly soon in that figure as he gains knowledge of the system at both ends.
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PennFan10
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11-21-18 11:06 AM - Post#266712
In response to Chip Bayers
I would be surprised if he surpasses him because the difference in defensive ability right now is enormous. Wang can’t stay in front of anyone and Max is one of the best defensive players on the team. Tough to put a guy out there for 25+ minutes who isn’t quick enough to guard a 3 or 4 right now and not physical enough to guard a 5. Jarrod has been playing a fair bit so that is another option as he can guard the 4 or 5.
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Chip Bayers
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Three problems in need of solutions
11-21-18 02:25 PM - Post#266728
In response to PennFan10
Max commits a lot of fouls, and his foul rate per 40 is on par with last year. That puts a ceiling on his minutes.
But like I said, Wang needs to show more knowledge of the system at both ends before this happens. Some of the offensive rebounds and moves around the basket we’ve seen from him do not suggest a guy who lacks the athleticism to guard in the frontcourt.
Will he muscle a Mawien or a Chris Lewis off the block? No. But there aren’t a ton of those sort of guys out there to guard.
Edited by Chip Bayers on 11-21-18 02:25 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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PennFan10
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Re: Three problems in need of solutions
11-21-18 03:47 PM - Post#266734
In response to Chip Bayers
Max commits a lot of fouls, and his foul rate per 40 is on par with last year. That puts a ceiling on his minutes.
I am not sure why a starter who commits less than 3 fouls a game and is one of the better defenders has any kind of ceiling on minutes.
I am pretty sure Max’s minutes have a lot more to do with his offense than his defense or fouls. He is considered one of the better defenders on the team,
Wang is capable of defense, just doesn’t have any experience guarding D1 players in the paint. Like none.
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Chip Bayers
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Re: Three problems in need of solutions
11-22-18 09:50 AM - Post#266784
In response to PennFan10
Wang is capable of defense, just doesn’t have any experience guarding D1 players in the paint. Like none.
You are absolutely right that Wang is a freshman.
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