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11-28-18 08:47 PM - Post#267427
Lewis and Weisner Perez not dressed (in addition to Towns and Aiken). Bassey survives collision and trip to locker room but returns.
Harvard up 40-29 at half. Robert Baker with energy: 8pts, 5rbs, 3 steals, 1blk. Kirkwood with 8 and Freedman 6 in first half. Bench 27, Starters 13. Welsh, Djuricic and Bassey aggressive.
9 TO's understandable due to lineup. 6 steals is impressive.
Great to see the depth we knew was there pay dividends.
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Re: Holy Cross
11-28-18 08:53 PM - Post#267433
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Carmody will make halftime adjustments like a ninja. Need to hope that the sheer force of the talent can hang on here.
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11-28-18 09:03 PM - Post#267437
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Yes, but Carmody forgot to account for Corey Johnson. The invisible man had shot 2-15 thus far, but hits 2 3’s and dives for 50-50 ball leading to easy bucket for Juzang.
Depth!
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11-28-18 09:21 PM - Post#267441
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Harvard cruising by 16. Tommy playing 3 freshmen (Freedman, Kirkwood, Forbes), 1 sophomore (Haskett) and a junior (Baker) for extended periods. Never could have imagined that.
Kirkwood (17) and Baker (12) leading scorers.
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11-28-18 09:32 PM - Post#267446
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Carmody. Guy just owns Harvard.
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11-28-18 09:45 PM - Post#267448
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Very nice answer to that run - much like the St. Marys game. This team does have some real quality depth.
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11-28-18 09:55 PM - Post#267452
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Ah, subs don't know about Carmody apparently. Bench outscores starters 41-32. For what is hopefully the first of many, Kirkwood scores 20. Baker 13 with 8 rbs.
Still, Djuricic and Bassey with touch two way efforts.
Team seems to be having fun. Got the sense from the announcers that we won't see Lewis, Towns or Aiken at Siena Saturday.
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11-28-18 10:31 PM - Post#267461
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Not many teams could lose players like Aiken, Lewis, and Towns from the starting lineup and roll up wins. Impressive.
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11-28-18 10:47 PM - Post#267463
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The Crimson looked good. I like Kirkwood a lot. Nice to see Robert Baker make an impact after 3 years of being AWOL. More suits down on the end of the bench than players.
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11-28-18 10:49 PM - Post#267464
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Isn't this recruiting season for Consulting Firms and Investment Banks? Actually, that should have ended by now so that's not an excuse for the suits.
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Holy Cross
11-29-18 11:00 AM - Post#267494
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Baker had that big game against St. Joe's last year that seemed to be his breakout, and then he had a bunch of DNPs. Pretty crazy that Harvard had its three former All-Ivy 1st Teamers on the bench and here's still the seven guys they could trot out for 20 mins or more:
Kirkwood - Consensus 4-star, Top 100 some places, had ACC offers
Baker - 4-star and Top 100 at ESPN.com (3-star/Top 150 other places)
Haskett - Consensus 3-star, VaTech offer
Djuricic - 4-star and fringe Top 100 guy with a Michigan offer before reclassing from 2018 to 2017
Bassey - Consensus 3-star, mostly Mountain West school offers
Freedman - Consensus 3-star (Top 150 some places) with a Washington offer
Juzang - 2-star
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11-29-18 11:38 AM - Post#267496
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I think at some point, certainly by now for the juniors, their HS rankings are meaningless.
There isn't a player on the Harvard roster who has played in an NCAA tournament game. That may well change soon, but for now, the team with the most talent hasn't won, but the team that has played the best has.
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11-29-18 12:13 PM - Post#267499
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The 2016 class is 22-6 in Ivy play, 23-8 with the Ivy tourney and only one of those eight losses wasn't decided on the final possession. The NCAA Tournament is the type of small sample metric that can hide the ball. The better metrics to use when thinking about winning and talent are things like wins and win shares. The 2016 class is on near-record pace there, certainly record pace when quality of league adjusted.
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Holy Cross
11-29-18 12:28 PM - Post#267503
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You guys putting up that "Win Share Champions-2018" banner at Lavietes?
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Re: Holy Cross
11-29-18 12:43 PM - Post#267507
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Ha. I get the point you're both trying to make. It's just not very useful as a measure of output. It's useful as fan banter, which I don't really care for because it doesn't help improve my understanding of what I'm watching.
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Re: Holy Cross
11-29-18 12:48 PM - Post#267509
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Look, I understand how talented the Harvard roster is, both from metrics and eyesight. But all that matters is who gets the bid (and sadly, for the indefinite future, there will be one of those for the Ivies).
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11-29-18 01:07 PM - Post#267515
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And the Tournament, especially when hosted by a participant other than the top seed, is a poor way to determine that.
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Holy Cross
11-29-18 01:18 PM - Post#267520
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Penn should have been the home team last year. It penalized the better team. The tiebreaker that penalized Penn for getting reffed and losing by 1 at Yale while favoring Harvard who lost to a much worse team in Columbia, was absolutely ridiculous and you know it.
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Re: Holy Cross
11-29-18 01:24 PM - Post#267523
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What sport does tiebreakers that way? Sports that I’m familiar with that have tie breaking rules that get to that level all use Strength of Victory not Weakness of Loss. Sport seems to be premised on the notion that winning against better competition is more indicative of quality than losing against inferior competition. I’d actually be fascinated to hear about sports that use who lost to a worse team as the tiebreaker.
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Re: Holy Cross
11-29-18 01:33 PM - Post#267525
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You guys putting up that "Win Share Champions-2018" banner at Lavietes?
This is a classic! Made me laugh.
I just think quoting players HS recruiting rankings after they have played multiple years of College Basketball is pointless.
I also agree who you beat is much more important than who you lost to.
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