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12-01-18 08:43 PM - Post#267757
Bison play another winless team this week, though LaSalle didn't look it today. They took Villanova down to the wire before losing 85-78.
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Bison137
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12-03-18 01:47 PM - Post#267882
In response to jkrun80
Bison Game Article:
https://bucknellbison.com/news/2018/12/3/mens-b ask...
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Bison89
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12-03-18 05:01 PM - Post#267897
In response to Bison137
Bison89 and possibly family plan to attend. LaSalle always plays the Bison tough. So, I am expecting a close one.
GO BISON!
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12-03-18 05:14 PM - Post#267899
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Bison89 and possibly family plan to attend. LaSalle always plays the Bison tough. So, I am expecting a close one.
GO BISON!
That's likely. LaSalle is a two-point favorite per Pomeroy. Despite a slow start under their new coach, they were down by only one point to Villanova in the final minutes on Saturday - despite LaSalle having their leading scorer (Pookie Powell) and their leading rebounder out with back spasms and a foot injury respectively. I suspect Powell will be back tomorrow.
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12-03-18 06:53 PM - Post#267907
In response to Bison137
The start of a stretch of eight games in a row away from Sojka. That must the longest such streak in a while.
PS: I feel compelled to point out that in "La Salle," there's a space between La and Salle.
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Bison137
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12-03-18 07:29 PM - Post#267911
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
The start of a stretch of eight games in a row away from Sojka. That must the longest such streak in a while.
I used the Pomeroy site to check back to 2001-02 and there has not been a streak of eight or more since then - and likely much longer. I found two streaks of six games away from Sojka. The more interesting one was in 2006-06 since it included:
- A great road win over a good GMU team - coached by Jim Larranaga - less than 24 hours after a tough home loss to UNI.
- The great win at Xavier (Sean Miller) that caused such a meltdown on their board. Xavier already had a win over a very good Villanova team and then beat top 50's Illinois and Kansas State. They ended the year ranked #32 by Pomeroy.
- A hard fought nationally televised loss at Texas Tech in which Bobby Knight tied Dean Smith's all-time record for wins.
- The disastrous loss right after Christmas to Central Arkansas that likely cost the Bison the #1 seed and home court advantage in the PL tournament. At tournament time, BU had won 35 consecutive PL games in Sojka. Amazingly, McNaughton, Badmus, and Donald Brown (and John Clark) never lost a PL game at home in their four years. Had they hosted the PL championship game, I think the streak would have gone to 36.
- The other two were at Cornell, one year before they broke out with an undefeated Ivy season, and a neutral site win over Northern Illinois.
The other streak of six non-home games was in 2003-04 when they played Norfolk State (neutral), Charleston, Penn State, Robert Morris, American, and Lehigh in late December and early January. At the end of those six games, their overall record vs D1 teams was 1-11. Then they won 10 of the next 11.
One other streak of note was in 2005-06, when it was so hard to find home games. In December they played five straight on the road: Boston U, Santa Clara, Duke, Navy, and American.
Which option do you think the team would choose this year if you offered to wave a magic wand and get them three games in Sojka in lieu of the three at Diamond Head?
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Bison89
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12-04-18 02:48 PM - Post#267959
In response to Bison137
LaSalle Game Notes: https://goexplorers.com/news/2018/12/3/mens-b asket...
I did not realize that they were beating Nova at halftime. Mrs. Bison89 and I are expecting a good game. She has not attended many winners recently. So, I am hoping for a strong effort from the Bison.
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12-04-18 03:02 PM - Post#267965
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LaSalle
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BisonFan4
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12-04-18 05:09 PM - Post#267978
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
First game I will not be attending this season, but my kids will be there to cheer them on for me. G🀠BISON!!!
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BisonRoadWarrior
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12-04-18 08:05 PM - Post#267998
In response to BisonFan4
Great production: An obnoxious dance party and then silence.
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12-04-18 08:23 PM - Post#268000
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
These commentatorsare tough to listen to. They’re just not good
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12-04-18 08:23 PM - Post#268001
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
I can’t see the game now. It’s out.
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HuskyColonial
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12-04-18 08:25 PM - Post#268002
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I got it back. Not my internet.
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HuskyColonial
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12-04-18 08:56 PM - Post#268012
In response to HuskyColonial
Lasalle is terrible too! OMG!
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BisonFan4
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12-04-18 09:31 PM - Post#268027
In response to HuskyColonial
Almost as bad as these announcers...& That comment in the first half about play Villanova, ugh I wanted to smack the stupid out of them
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12-04-18 09:34 PM - Post#268031
In response to crd012
These commentatorsare tough to listen to. They’re just not good
They’re terrible. Thought some of the PL announcers were bad.
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jkrun80
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12-04-18 09:45 PM - Post#268038
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Stop fouling!
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BisonFan4
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12-04-18 09:46 PM - Post#268040
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& they need a new statistician, they missed 1 rebound for sure, possibly 2
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jkrun80
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12-04-18 09:55 PM - Post#268045
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Toom3r!
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HuskyColonial
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12-04-18 10:04 PM - Post#268049
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This is an A-10 team. My God!
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HuskyColonial
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12-04-18 10:07 PM - Post#268051
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These announcers are beyond homer.
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jkrun80
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12-04-18 10:10 PM - Post#268052
In response to HuskyColonial
The refs are as bad as the announcers.
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crd012
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12-04-18 10:11 PM - Post#268053
In response to jkrun80
How many fouls were called in this game? 60?
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HuskyColonial
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12-04-18 10:20 PM - Post#268059
In response to HuskyColonial
We played well in many regards but seriously how bad is Lasalle?
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jkrun80
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12-04-18 10:34 PM - Post#268062
In response to crd012
How many fouls were called in this game? 60?
Close. 55.
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raymondbucknell
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12-04-18 10:39 PM - Post#268064
In response to HuskyColonial
The color commentator’s commentary often consisted of simply exclaiming “Oh!â€
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HuskyColonial
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12-04-18 11:03 PM - Post#268068
In response to raymondbucknell
I thought Bucknell played....well?
I’m sorry it’s impossible to say how well we performed outside of securing a W because Lasalle was terrible. I mean bad on both sides of the ball.
Still we are 2-0 on the road against the A-10. 15 years ago that wokld have never been a possibility.
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Bison89
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12-05-18 06:51 AM - Post#268085
In response to HuskyColonial
Philly.com article:
http://www2.philly.com/college-sports/la-sal le/la-...
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12-05-18 09:36 AM - Post#268091
In response to HuskyColonial
Still we are 2-0 on the road against the A-10. 15 years ago that wokld have never been a possibility.
Not a good night for the A-10. Holy Cross beat UMass, and Maine got its first win of the year over Fordham.
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12-05-18 10:11 AM - Post#268099
In response to DoCtoR62
I always just mute the broadcast and listen to Birdsong. The audio and video doesn’t match up but it’s better than listening to the ESPN+ broadcasters.
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12-05-18 11:41 AM - Post#268109
In response to Bucknellbisonfan21
My favorite play last night was definitely the Kahliel Spear dunk to end the first half. The team executed the play well, and it was great to see Spear make his first big play and showcase the athleticism we've heard about. A preview of things to come.
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12-05-18 11:51 AM - Post#268110
In response to Bucknellbisonfan21
I always just mute the broadcast and listen to Birdsong. The audio and video doesn’t match up...
If you use the TuneIn Radio app to listen to the Eagle 107 broadcast, you can usually get the audio and video to match because TuneIn lets you pause the stream.
The audio is usually ahead of the video, so you can pause the audio and then sync it up by hitting "play" when the video matches what Doug just described on the audio. (Last night was an exception where the video was a couple minutes ahead.)
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12-05-18 12:00 PM - Post#268111
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
For all the comments about La Salle (BRW is that ok?) being so awful I watched the full second half against Nova and they didn’t look awful at all. Not great that they’re 0-9 and can’t seem to put the puzzle together but the point is they struggled and not Bucknell. A road win is a road win. We’re a tough crowd when things don’t go our way. Great job. I’m still losing sleep over Fairfield...we should be 5-2 and I know all about my Aunt having balls
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12-05-18 12:16 PM - Post#268113
In response to Old Bison
For all the comments about La Salle (BRW is that ok?)...
A+. You set a fine example of intercollegiate literacy.
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Bison89
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Re: LaSalle Game
12-05-18 01:46 PM - Post#268122
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
For all the comments about La Salle (BRW is that ok?)...
A+. You set a fine example of intercollegiate literacy.
BRW, sorry but, I will continue to type LaSalle. 
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Re: LaSalle Game
12-05-18 01:52 PM - Post#268123
In response to Bison89
For all the comments about La Salle (BRW is that ok?)...
A+. You set a fine example of intercollegiate literacy.
BRW, sorry but, I will continue to type LaSalle.
You are welcome to wallow in your wrongness, this is a judgement free board.
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12-05-18 09:03 PM - Post#268159
In response to atlantabison
I couldn’t watch the game but listened on Tunein. Yeah, at least Birdsong isn’t a “homer.†(Sarcasm implied.) A lot of the laughter directed at a La Salle team missing its leading scorer and another important piece is confusing...I’m sure many thought Bucknell was awful if they watched several of our games, especially without Sestina and another player that was anticipated to play quality minutes, John Meeks. Obviously us shooting an unusually high percentage and them shooting a poor percentage is a huge difference maker. I’m not convinced Bucknell is even a good team yet...an improved performance in some areas, yes. But I’m hesitant to throw stones in a room surrounded by windows.
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Bison137
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12-05-18 11:35 PM - Post#268176
In response to jkrun80
These commentatorsare tough to listen to. They’re just not good
They’re terrible. Thought some of the PL announcers were bad.
I didn't have a problem with their rooting for La Salle. They're certainly not worse than Birdsong in that regard. But I did have a problem with their lack of baskeball knowledge and poor analysis. I could give 50 examples, but I will stick to two:
- Sestina ends up guarded on a break by a smaller opponent, and the color man questions how La Salle could let such a small defender guard Sestina. He ignores the fact - or didn't even notice - that Brookins at the other end had dove for a loose ball and ended up trailing the play at the other end by 25 feet, which forced a smaller man to pick up Sestina. But the announcer acts as if they randomly decided to put a small guy on Sestina and have their center pick up a Bucknell guard.
- Later in the game, the refs go to the monitor for a review and the color man hypothesizes its to check whether Sestina traveled. Anyone with any knowledge of basketball - and certainly anyone calling a basketball game - should know that video review is extremely limited and can never be used for things like traveling. (Also most OB plays, normal fouls, goaltending, etc.) Any knowledgeable basketball fan should have known the clock operator had incorrectly reset the shot clock, despite their being no clear possession after a missed shot, and they were just confirming that.
Note: I am not suggesting that Birdsong is immune from these sort of gaffes either.
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12-06-18 01:03 PM - Post#268208
In response to Bison137
Birdsong's gaffes are usually of a different sort. "So and so has a wide open layup and its blocked" His liberal use of the phrase "wide open" makes it sound like little defense is being played at times when the picture on BisonVision seems to tell a different story.
No fan of Bucknell can complain about the other teams announcers being homers, as we have one of the greatest homers of all time. But he's our homer, which makes it much more acceptable.
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12-06-18 01:37 PM - Post#268209
In response to atlantabison
Doug is the most homerific announcer of all time. I don't enjoy it honestly, and would prefer more realistic commentary.
Doug with the constant use of "wide open," I always felt like was a coping mechanism for him. Like "Well they're wide open so they're definitely going to make this" and then when they miss he can act shocked and go nuts. I mean he even does this with Free Throws. He sees a guy is like a 77% Free Throw shooter and he's like, "Well he's definitely making these free throws." Honestly it's kind of annoying.
The La Salle commentators were awful. They provided no insights, seemed to never know what they were talking about, and were blinded by homerism.
As for the team, I've come away kind of unimpressed. Outside of Sestina I don't think anyone has performed consistently enough to say I know they'll be good. Even though Kimball is averaging like 17 points, he doesn't seem to be shooting that well. Moore hasn't been good, Avi and Sotos still are very inconsistent. La Salle isn't good. They might have been missing key pieces, but I can't see them being an impressive team.
I don't know it's nice being 4-3...but we should be 5-2.Unless there is some improvement and more consistency I'm going to have a problem seeing this team win the PL.
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Bison54
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12-06-18 02:08 PM - Post#268211
In response to crd012
As for the team, I've come away kind of unimpressed. Outside of Sestina I don't think anyone has performed consistently enough to say I know they'll be good. Even though Kimball is averaging like 17 points, he doesn't seem to be shooting that well. Moore hasn't been good, Avi and Sotos still are very inconsistent. La Salle isn't good. They might have been missing key pieces, but I can't see them being an impressive team.
I don't know it's nice being 4-3...but we should be 5-2.Unless there is some improvement and more consistency I'm going to have a problem seeing this team win the PL.
Disagree on Avi..last two games he has done fairly well and has changed his approach to drive and attack more......he had to adjust this year to a role where he may be the 2nd option..instead of last year when at best is was the fourth. Kimball has had some tough shooting nights and some good ones. He'll be OK, too. And Sotos seems to be focusing more on looking for steals, which we need now that Steve B has graduated.
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Bison137
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12-06-18 02:46 PM - Post#268212
In response to Bison54
As for the team, I've come away kind of unimpressed. Outside of Sestina I don't think anyone has performed consistently enough to say I know they'll be good. Even though Kimball is averaging like 17 points, he doesn't seem to be shooting that well. Moore hasn't been good, Avi and Sotos still are very inconsistent. La Salle isn't good. They might have been missing key pieces, but I can't see them being an impressive team.
I don't know it's nice being 4-3...but we should be 5-2.Unless there is some improvement and more consistency I'm going to have a problem seeing this team win the PL.
Disagree on Avi..last two games he has done fairly well and has changed his approach to drive and attack more......he had to adjust this year to a role where he may be the 2nd option..instead of last year when at best is was the fourth. Kimball has had some tough shooting nights and some good ones. He'll be OK, too. And Sotos seems to be focusing more on looking for steals, which we need now that Steve B has graduated.
I agree that Avi has had to adjust to a very different role, but I think in the last two games he has done much better than only fairly well. He scored 17 points in each of those games, hitting 4-7 on twos and 7-13 on threes - an effective FG pct of 72.5%. Also 8 rebounds, 7 assists, and 7 steals for the two games combined. In the previous game vs Northeastern, he missed most of the first half with serious foul trouble but he scored 9 points in the second half. Hopefully he can sustain that level of play, as he makes the Bison offense very dangerous when he is looking for shots. Also his defense continues to be very good.
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12-06-18 03:15 PM - Post#268213
In response to crd012
crd, I think that we have to all keep in mind that this is a group of players that really has not had a ton of playing time other than Mackenzie. They need time to learn and grow with each other. I agree that the PL will not be a cakewalk, but there is hope.
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12-06-18 03:28 PM - Post#268214
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To me the thing with Avi is the inconsistency in his shot. Which obviously shows up in his free throw shooting which is abysmal. Unlike kimbal, his shot mechanics seem to be different with every shot. And the timing of his jump and release seem to differ. I would love to see him be able to carry the team offensively, but his inconsistency is maddening. Also he has virtually no arc on his shot, so it's either directly in or not. You can see Kimbal gets rolls, he does not.
Additionally if you want him to be the defensive ace, it is tough to rely on him to be the number one on the offensive end. Obviously this team has potential as I'm sure we have just as much talent as any other team in the PL but so far this year we've seen the team be terrible in first halves pretty consistently. I just hope that they don't think that previous success means they should roll.
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12-06-18 03:57 PM - Post#268216
In response to crd012
Whoever recently posted that we have become spoiled is absolutely correct. Frankly, given the enormous losses to graduation, the fact that we can argue that the Bison have a reasonable chance at winning the PL title and a reasonable chance at winning the PL tournament is quite remarkable. It argues for the current health of the program, regardless of how things might turn out.
The fact that there have been growing pains in the process shoudn't surprise anyone and shouldn't lead to the level of criticism sometimes directed at specific individuals. Give them a chance and enjoy the ride.
EDIT: Mine is a general response and not directed at crd.
Edited by res on 12-06-18 03:59 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Bison137
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12-06-18 04:53 PM - Post#268218
In response to crd012
To me the thing with Avi is the inconsistency in his shot. Which obviously shows up in his free throw shooting which is abysmal. Unlike kimbal, his shot mechanics seem to be different with every shot. And the timing of his jump and release seem to differ. I would love to see him be able to carry the team offensively, but his inconsistency is maddening. Also he has virtually no arc on his shot, so it's either directly in or not. You can see Kimbal gets rolls, he does not.
Additionally if you want him to be the defensive ace, it is tough to rely on him to be the number one on the offensive end. Obviously this team has potential as I'm sure we have just as much talent as any other team in the PL but so far this year we've seen the team be terrible in first halves pretty consistently. I just hope that they don't think that previous success means they should roll.
There is no question that Avi does not have a lot of arc on the shot - which makes it harder to be consistent. However if you look back at his HS stats, when he was the main guy offensively and likely had a lot of confidence in his shot, he was a very good shooter from anywhere on the court. Over four years, he hit 59% on twos, 46% on threes, and 73% from the line. Even better, as a senior he hit 77% on twos (129-167), 50% on threes (55-110), and 73% from the line (166-228). I don't expect him to hit those sort of percentages, but I think he can definitely hit over 40% on threes. For his Bison career, he is at 37.3% now - which is more than acceptable - but he should do better as he gets to shoot more. As for FT's, a lot of the issue is likely mental. He proved in HS he is capable of hitting close to 75% from the line over a large number of attempts. Hopefully that will happen at some point, but who knows.
Agree that it's tough to be THE defensive guy and also the main offensive guy, although it's not impossible. However in this case, I think he is just being asked to be one of the main guys at each end. On offense he is not going to be more than the third option this year. And at the other end, there are several good defenders - although he may well be the best.
HS stats: http://www.maxpreps.com/athlete/avi-toomer/RS iqNvT...
One other thing about Avi is that we shouldn't forget that he had a very serious injury last year that cost him half the season and left him at well under full strength when he returned. That had to have hurt his development. Even now, he is playing with a metal rod in his leg.
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12-06-18 05:30 PM - Post#268220
In response to Bison137
Tooooom!!!
love the way he plays and contributes to the team effort. hope the increased offensive mindedness continues, i don't expect 17 points every game, but a double digit scoring average on top of great defense and rebounding is quite forseeable as long as he stays confident and aggressive.
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12-06-18 08:46 PM - Post#268228
In response to KenZ
Let me preface this by saying, I agree 100% with res. It is still early and a lot of newer players are still developing. I expected (and posted elsewhere) that there would likely be some inconsistency with great wins and bad losses. That has proven to be true.
I also agree that Toomer and Moore have really picked up their level of play the last few games, which is great to see. They seem to have recognized they need to be serious scoring options, not just defensive specialist.
I used the word "baffling" earlier to describe the Fairfield and Canisius losses. Perhaps not the right word, but with Sestina out for those two games I expected our three most experienced players to step up then to fill the gap left by Nate and cover for Newman to some extent.
Instead Newman admirably held his own for a guy who played only 74 minutes last year, mostly in garbage time. He played nearly that much in these two games alone.
Not to be critical, but numbers don't lie and Moore and Toomer were basically MIA and Mackenzie did not play up to his normal level. Here are the combined stats for those two games.
---PTS/FG/3FG/FT
PN- 25/ 9-18/ 0-0/ 7-11
KM- 25/ 9-29/ 6-15/ 7-9
BM- 8/ 1-10/ 0-3/ 6-6
AT- 12/ 5-11/ 2-7/ 0-5
Hopefully, we're over that hump (though Kimbal's shooting slump worries me). The team is clearly improving, which is great to see. Res is right that the very fact we can think about being competitive in the PL this year is a great thing. I hope that means a shot at winning it all, but it's going to be an interesting ride.
Edited by jkrun80 on 12-06-18 08:48 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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12-06-18 09:19 PM - Post#268229
In response to jkrun80
Kimbal had 31 pts. Sorry for the typo. His 3-pt average isn't bad, but 3-14 on two's. That's been a issue much of the season.
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12-07-18 03:07 AM - Post#268244
In response to jkrun80
Kimbal had 31 pts. Sorry for the typo. His 3-pt average isn't bad, but 3-14 on two's. That's been a issue much of the season.
Yes, he didn't shoot well in those two games, but he has hit 8-17 on twos since then, with two of the misses being blocked layup attempts. His shooting pcts are down by a very small amount this year - but it is a very small sample size, so I'm not worried.
This Year: 44% on twos, 34% on threes, 82% on FT's.
Career: . 45% on twos, 37.5% on threes, 84.5% on FT's.
Kimbal's stats this year show major improvement in some areas: much higher assist rate, much lower turnover rate, much higher rate of getting to the line, and slightly higher rebound rate. Assuming good health, I think he will make one of the two top All-PL teams.
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Bison89
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Re: LaSalle Game
12-07-18 09:21 AM - Post#268252
In response to res
Whoever recently posted that we have become spoiled is absolutely correct. Frankly, given the enormous losses to graduation, the fact that we can argue that the Bison have a reasonable chance at winning the PL title and a reasonable chance at winning the PL tournament is quite remarkable. It argues for the current health of the program, regardless of how things might turn out.
The fact that there have been growing pains in the process shoudn't surprise anyone and shouldn't lead to the level of criticism sometimes directed at specific individuals. Give them a chance and enjoy the ride.
EDIT: Mine is a general response and not directed at crd.
res, very well said. I agree that we have become spoiled. While realizing that this team is a work-in-progress, as a fan, I hope that we continue to be spoiled!
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jkrun80
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12-07-18 11:16 AM - Post#268255
In response to Bison137
Kimbal's stats this year show major improvement in some areas: much higher assist rate, much lower turnover rate, much higher rate of getting to the line, and slightly higher rebound rate. Assuming good health, I think he will make one of the two top All-PL teams.
I agree Kimbal has expanded his game this year and no one can fault his effort. His 1-7 shooting at LaSalle concerned me but he made up for it by getting to the FT line 11 times, and making 10.
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Bison137
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12-07-18 02:15 PM - Post#268268
In response to jkrun80
I agree Kimbal has expanded his game this year and no one can fault his effort. His 1-7 shooting at LaSalle concerned me but he made up for it by getting to the FT line 11 times, and making 10.
I don't think you can worry too much about the small sample size of a game or two when it comes to 3-point shooting.
How would you like to have a senior who had the following games during his final season? Threes made/threes attempted:
1-8
0-6
0-6
1-6
1-5
0-5
This player during a three game stretch shot 1-14 from beyond the arc, but he kept shooting. It was Zach Thomas, who had a pretty fair senior year despite the occasional terrible shooting game.
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DoCtoR62
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12-07-18 04:23 PM - Post#268272
In response to Bison137
I agree Kimbal has expanded his game this year and no one can fault his effort. His 1-7 shooting at LaSalle concerned me but he made up for it by getting to the FT line 11 times, and making 10.
I don't think you can worry too much about the small sample size of a game or two when it comes to 3-point shooting.
How would you like to have a senior who had the following games during his final season? Threes made/threes attempted:
1-8
0-6
0-6
1-6
1-5
0-5
This player during a three game stretch shot 1-14 from beyond the arc, but he kept shooting. It was Zach Thomas, who had a pretty fair senior year despite the occasional terrible shooting game.
Only good shooters are afforded the luxury of a 1-8 or 0-6 game. Poor shooters would not have the opportunity.
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Old Bison
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12-07-18 08:55 PM - Post#268287
In response to DoCtoR62
Coaches decide who gets the green light and who doesn’t Been going on for 50+ years
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Bison89
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12-08-18 08:08 PM - Post#268345
In response to Old Bison
OB, did you have the green light? I can tell you that in high school, I never saw a shot the I didn't like!
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