internetter
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12-07-18 08:42 PM - Post#268286
Hurt, pulled from Bryant game, very late first half.Lions up 1
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Chet Forte
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 12-07-18 09:51 PM - Post#268289
In response to internetter
Best lineup was Stef, Brumant, Tape, Adlesh and Jake. Best half of the year and blow-out at 90-68.
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internetter
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12-07-18 09:52 PM - Post#268290
In response to internetter
He never returned; Adlesh at point, he, Stef, Killingsworth did a lot of the scoringC 90-68
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cc66
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12-07-18 10:02 PM - Post#268291
In response to internetter
Smith looked as if he had an ice pack on his leg. He was moving tentatively next to the bench after the game, but even if it is not too serious, I'd be surprised to see him in the lineup at MSG on Sunday.
Stefanini scored 26 in Smith's absence and really seems to be coming into his own. Adlesh went for 20, with 6 3s as part of Columbia's 50% (12 of 24) shooting. Attribution is risky, and surely some of the best-we-ve played game comes from the weakness of the opposition, but you don't have to look very hard to take some positive trends out of this game.
Edited by cc66 on 12-07-18 10:03 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Chet Forte
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12-07-18 10:20 PM - Post#268293
In response to cc66
Agreed. Nice games from Tape and Brumant. I liked both in the lineup together. Brumant has upped his game, and I still think Tape can be a very good player for us.
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SomeGuy
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Re: Smith
12-07-18 10:40 PM - Post#268295
In response to cc66
Yes, it is possible Columbia was going to win this one regardless of the lineup choices. However, to my point in the other thread, 30 minutes of this game were played with 3 out of Nweke, Tape, Brumant, killingsworth, barba, Ellis, and Hunter on the floor. That added size at the 3 spot helps a lot defensively, I think.
Interesting how well they played without Smith. May or may not mean anything. It changes the analysis some about defensive issues — you can play defenders who don’t score if you have a guy who can create shots for himself. Take Smith away, and it may become more important to have five guys who can shoot it on the floor.
Anyway, good win guys.
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Murph
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Re: Smith
12-11-18 11:28 AM - Post#268569
In response to SomeGuy
Interesting how well they played without Smith. May or may not mean anything. It changes the analysis some about defensive issues — you can play defenders who don’t score if you have a guy who can create shots for himself. Take Smith away, and it may become more important to have five guys who can shoot it on the floor.
And in fact, if you think about it, the Lions have never played well with Smith as their starting PG.
Do the Lions move the ball better without Smith? Do they defend better without Smith?
I agree that it may or may not mean anything, but it's worth consideration.
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12-11-18 12:31 PM - Post#268578
In response to Murph
There seems to be a phenomena in certain circumstances of others thriving when a key player goes missing. Harvard experienced the same thing when Lewis missed 3 games. What happened was that the middle became open for drives and the team's approach moved away from the inside out.
Certainly, the Lions are not better without Smith as Harvard is not better without Lewis. Nevertheless, the things that open up might appear to be positive, at least in limited circumstances and for a limited time.
On the other hand, some did make the argument that Penn was better without Tony Hicks.
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SomeGuy
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12-11-18 01:11 PM - Post#268580
In response to SomeGuy
Getting back to the perimeter size theory, against Iona Columbia went big at the 3 spot the entire game. In other words, for all 40 minutes, they had 3 out of Tape, Nweke, Brumant, Jake, Hunter, Barba, and Ellis on the floor. Some of those guys are wings, but they are bigger than the 4 guards who have taken most of the perimeter minutes thus far.
I’m not sure fouls and fatigue will allow Columbia to consistently play 2 bigs, but it seems to me that, if only one big is on the floor, they should be playing 2 of the taller wings together at the 3 and 4 spots. For the last two games, they have done that, and they have two wins and some better Defense to show for it.
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Chet Forte
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12-11-18 03:12 PM - Post#268590
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Add Killingsworth to that mix. In my opinion we also need to have five guys on the floor who are capable of scoring. If we don’t we are playing 4 against 5. I am reminded that Isaac Cohen was not a prolific scorer yet remained our glue guy. The difference is that Cohen was capable of scoring and did when we needed him to score. PS, I noticed Alex Rosenberg at the game on Saturday.
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Dr. V
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12-11-18 05:29 PM - Post#268613
In response to Chet Forte
Isaac very rarely scored, but his defense, rebounding and assist making was so good that they compensated for his lack of scoring.
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cc66
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12-13-18 12:23 PM - Post#269002
In response to Dr. V
Has anyone heard any updates about the nature and extent of Smith's injury? What is it, and when is he expected to return?
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12-13-18 01:48 PM - Post#269023
In response to cc66
I posted this in the BC thread, as well.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
https://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/st ory...
Columbia: Engles said guard Mike Smith, the team’s leading scorer at 15.8 points per game, was lost for the season with a torn meniscus he suffered in the previous game. Despite the loss, they should be satisfied that they played decently without a big part of their offense.
“I thought we played good basketball,†Engles said. “We’re still trying figure out a little of the rotation because Mike’s not playing.â€
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12-13-18 02:12 PM - Post#269029
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That is a real shame. and boy the Ivy League has some really bad luck with injuries to top players. Hope he comes back strong for his senior season.
7 games played, so he should be able to get an extra year NCAA-wise. Am I right that Columbia is one of the schools you have to leave school to retain the year? If so, that is a shame that he'll have to use that year somewhere else.
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Chet Forte
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12-13-18 03:12 PM - Post#269039
In response to Mike Porter
Alex Rosenberg left school for a year to keep his eligibility.
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Mike Porter
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12-13-18 03:37 PM - Post#269050
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Totally, but in today's world of graduate transfers, I don't think any kid is literally going to waste a year not even learning to retain eligibility no matter how much he loves the school. Just doesn't make sense.
I still think that rule is really dumb and glad that Penn doesn't have it.
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12-13-18 09:54 PM - Post#269086
In response to Mike Porter
That's really too bad for Smith. I hope he recovers smoothly and fully.
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penn nation
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12-13-18 11:42 PM - Post#269092
In response to SRP
Oh, that's awful. Best wishes on his recovery. Always a treat to watch him play.
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12-14-18 05:09 PM - Post#269115
In response to penn nation
The silver lining is that this will give more playing time to a few that would otherwise be sitting on the bench, which will make the team more experienced and better for the senior seasons of Smith, Killingsworth and Tape.
And with the development of Brumant, Nweke, Ellis and (hopefully) Bibbs, I like what’s in store for the future. We’ll lose Adlesh (solid as they come) and Hunter, but this team should be pretty formidable in 2020. And 2021 too for Stefanini’s senior season. I expect Gabe to garner All-Ivy recognition the next three seasons.
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12-14-18 05:19 PM - Post#269116
In response to PeteD
I'd had the same thought. The team is so reliant upon Smith that his absence will provide an opportunity (imperative, even) for other players to play a more important role, which could really help them grow as a team. We're seeing this going on at both Harvard and Penn this year.
But there's a worry that accompanies this: if Smith completes his degree in four years, he could take his talents elsewhere for his final year of eligibility. I'll bet lots of high-major programs would love to have a kid with his talent and skills for a year.
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