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palestra38 
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12-12-18 12:39 PM - Post#268834    
    In response to 10Q

Pinone??? Come on, a very nice player on that miracle team, but all-time Big 5?

 
10Q 
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12-12-18 12:43 PM - Post#268837    
    In response to palestra38

He was the first guy the announcer named. He was first team all Big 5 4 times.

 
palestra38 
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12-12-18 12:44 PM - Post#268838    
    In response to 10Q

In a REALLY down time for the Big 5--early-mid-80s

Here are his career numbers---15-16 ppg, 6-7 rpg. Nice, not all-time with the great players that have played in the Big 5.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/john-...

 
SomeGuy 
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Re: Villanova
12-12-18 01:17 PM - Post#268843    
    In response to mrjames

Fran also was yelling about how AJ couldn’t guard Paschall when he drove for that dunk in the first half. For a team that held him to 10 points in 34 minutes, we certainly had a lot of guys who couldn’t cover him.

 
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12-12-18 01:19 PM - Post#268845    
    In response to palestra38

No Tom Gola, no Bobby Morse, no Ed Pinckney...maybe not the best lineup, but picking five out of that many good players is pretty arbitrary.

 
Lefteroo 
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12-12-18 01:20 PM - Post#268846    
    In response to 10Q

The other two players were LaSalle's Lionel Simmons and Ken Durrett.

 
Lefteroo 
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12-12-18 01:22 PM - Post#268847    
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Could have included the legendary Ernie Beck from Penn to have at least one from each Big 5 school. I thought Gola was a sure thing, too.

 
13otto 
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12-12-18 01:26 PM - Post#268850    
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  • Lefteroo Said:
Could have included the legendary Ernie Beck from Penn to have at least one from each Big 5 school. I thought Gola was a sure thing, too.


I don't think Ernie Beck or Tom Gola ever played in a Big 5 game. The Big 5 wasn't formed until the 1955-56 season.
http://www.letsgoquakers.com/


 
Lefteroo 
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12-12-18 01:37 PM - Post#268854    
    In response to 13otto

Aha! Thanks, Otto.

 
Penndemonium 
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12-12-18 01:38 PM - Post#268856    
    In response to 10Q

The L Train was one of them.

 
Penndemonium 
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12-12-18 01:48 PM - Post#268857    
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  • mrjames Said:
Penn back at +0.2 Wins Against Bubble. For all the talk about 2-bid Ivy, Penn now has the 46th-best resume in the country...



Would a team at 46 make it to the tourney? I figure after conference champs are taken out, that would have a chance for an at-large...

Would Penn/Harvard/Yale be in the running after losing 2-3 Ivy games? I figure the 2nd place team will lose at least that many, and a team with that record could no longer have the 46th best resume.

mrjames, your vision of an at large bid for the Ivies is starting to take shape. In particular, next year's league could be interesting. Only now can I appreciate what that would do for league visibility and recruiting. I can picture the sportscasters talking about the "new" Ivy League athletes during broadcasts and more student athletes seeing the merit of Ivy. You were far ahead of me in seeing that. I was just focused on Penn not being terrible.

 
13otto 
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12-12-18 02:01 PM - Post#268862    
    In response to Penndemonium

The second bid likely will come in a year when the top seed/regular-season champ gets knocked out in the IL tourney final. So, it could be a 13-1 (or 14-0) first-place team getting the second bid.

I'll go out on a limb and predict that if Penn finishes the (regular) season 28-2, then extends its winning streak to 25 straight before losing to Yale (at Yale) in the IL tourney final, this will be the year the IL receives a second bid.
http://www.letsgoquakers.com/


Edited by 13otto on 12-12-18 02:02 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Penndemonium 
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12-12-18 02:09 PM - Post#268869    
    In response to 13otto

I forgot about that pesky IL tournament. I am old. Yes, that makes sense.

 
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12-12-18 02:09 PM - Post#268870    
    In response to 13otto

That's a very strong limb.

 
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12-12-18 02:20 PM - Post#268875    
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  • Novachap Said:
Congrats Penn... You guys earned it. Well played, very good team and exposed Nova's weaknesses on D. Clearly, a huge step down in talent and play with this year's version of the cats, BUT... your team is for real and will be a scary game in the NCAA tournament for any team. Best of luck the rest of the year. (try not to pay attention to the few knuckleheads with excuse after excuse---not representative of all Nova fans---you guys were the better team last night).



Thanks Novachap - in fairness to your fans I did see folks showing respect before and after the game (and then of course a few knuckleheads but we all have them). You still have a very tough, NCAA team in your "down/rebuilding" year and no doubt Coach Wright will continue to improve the squad this year and next (with 2 5* recruits next year I believe).

I also appreciate that pretty shortly after the game, Coach Wright made a super classy congratulatory Tweet about Penn and the Palestra. Nothing but respect for him and the dude just gets it. Good luck the rest of the year and hope you guys bounce back by knocking off Kansas.


 
Mike Porter 
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12-12-18 02:24 PM - Post#268876    
    In response to JadwinGeorge

  • JadwinGeorge Said:
Bigger Ivy win than Yale over Baylor a few years ago, nothing like it since Cornell's Sweet 16 run orchestrated by SD. Only the second time in my memory that an Ivy team defeated a defending national champion. Yale, certainly, and probably Harvard should be in the title chase. An improving Tiger team is still a long way away and must play Penn twice in the first week. Brown should scare everybody. Morgan gives the Big Red a puncher's chance every night. I just hope no one gets hurt on any club. Let's get that second bid!



Obviously feeling great about this Penn team, but this is going to be a TOUGH Ivy League season. Hard to remember a league this good top to bottom with no easy outs.

1-3 spots right now are separated by 11 spots on KP and 4-8 are separated by only 69 spots.

Columbia at the bottom of the league in 8th place on KP at 246 would be good for 5th place ranking in either of the last two seasons by ~20 spots.


 
mrjames 
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12-12-18 02:47 PM - Post#268887    
    In response to Penndemonium

Harvard 2011 was the only Ivy team that I know of that had a positive WAB and didn't get in the tourney (ended up 48th, but that was after the Okie St loss in the NIT, which dropped them a little bit).

Illinois St. in 2017 had a WAB of 1.8 (36th nationally) and missed out and Monmouth was 49th and also missed. Every other team in the Top 50 made it in. So, you get the sense of how much this means for mids.

It is funny, though, to hear the pundits talk about "resume" and how that talk lines up (or, more accurately, doesn't line up well at all) to the comprehensive, accurate representation of resume that WAB provides.

 
Penndemonium 
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12-12-18 03:18 PM - Post#268897    
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  • mrjames Said:
Harvard 2011 was the only Ivy team that I know of that had a positive WAB and didn't get in the tourney (ended up 48th, but that was after the Okie St loss in the NIT, which dropped them a little bit).

Illinois St. in 2017 had a WAB of 1.8 (36th nationally) and missed out and Monmouth was 49th and also missed. Every other team in the Top 50 made it in. So, you get the sense of how much this means for mids.

It is funny, though, to hear the pundits talk about "resume" and how that talk lines up (or, more accurately, doesn't line up well at all) to the comprehensive, accurate representation of resume that WAB provides.



Thanks, mrjames. Your info on such matters is always interesting. It seems like an Ivy team in that top 50 would have a very compelling case. The basketball merits would be strong, and it would also be a great opportunity for the NCAA to steer the dialog away from the FBI investigations. While the NCAA would never admit to the last part, I think it would play in the minds of the committee that they need some more Cinderella stories instead of corruption stories. The influence of the shoe company power conference teams might also be slightly down as a result.





 
Penndemonium 
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12-12-18 03:26 PM - Post#268900    
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It's interesting to see Gillespie in such a big role for the Wildcats. I watched some Archbishop Carrol game video when Penn was recruiting Andrew Funk. As I was trying to figure out which player was which, I kept hoping that Gillespie was Funk and that we had a shot to recruit him. He was clearly a step above everyone on the court. I think he'll be a good one as a junior and senior. Very steady nerves.

Clearly, nothing worked out there from a recruiting standpoint.



 
palestra38 
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12-12-18 03:55 PM - Post#268905    
    In response to Penndemonium

For message board fans, this one is enjoyable to read:

https://247sports.com/college/saint-josephs /Board/...

 
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