cc66
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12-12-18 10:03 PM - Post#268949
We lose 82-73, but are definitely improving. We were down by just 74-70 with a minute and half left, after leading briefly 42-40 a couple of minutes in to the second half. Tape had what was probably his best game with 17, followed by Brumant and Adlesh with 16 each. Also, in contrast to earlier in the season, when we couldn't stop a 3, we held BC to just 33%. Although we had some trouble with turnovers (missing Smith's ballhandling?),and Stefannini did not have one of his better games, we played BC pretty even for most of the second half.
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internetter
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Re: BC final
12-12-18 10:06 PM - Post#268950
In response to cc66
Major rebounding deficit; fewer fouls than usual;
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Chet Forte
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12-12-18 10:07 PM - Post#268951
In response to cc66
All in all there are a number of positives to take from this game. I think we may have turned a corner with the Tape/
Brumant front court combination. This is a game that we had a real chance of taking if only a few more of our shots were falling. The big question is what happens when Smith hopefully returns, and if he can become a pass first PG.
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AntiUngvar
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12-13-18 12:37 PM - Post#269005
In response to Chet Forte
Chet:
Even your shot wasn't on every night- CU's not going to hit 15 3s every game; but they really could have done a better job boxing out out and getting their fair share of rebounds last night- particularly in the first half wherein they were -9 to BC in boards and trailed by 6 points. Patrick and Ike COMBINED for just 4 rebounds in the entire game; and that's just not good against a team that wasn't hitting 3s; but cashed in on a number of killer second chance basket opportunities against the Lions.
Speaking of Mike Smith, your coach still hasn't offered any information for public consumption as to the nature and extent of #21's injury; probably not to call even more attention to the fact that he played (actually, abused) the kid for 227 out of a possible 250 minutes against D-1 opponents this season, up to the Bryant game of December 7! Not even LeBron James has that kind of workload imposed upon him- inexcusable, irresponsible and reckless; A.K.A., Jiim Engles.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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12-13-18 01:21 PM - Post#269012
In response to AntiUngvar
Columbia fans - over on the football blog (Voy) there is a report that Mike Smith has a torn meniscus and is out for the season.
Very sorry to hear that.
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internetter
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12-13-18 01:33 PM - Post#269015
In response to AntiUngvar
Engles played his most prolific scorer at NJIT, too. It's his strategy.
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rbg
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12-13-18 01:38 PM - Post#269017
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Sorry to read about Smith's injury. Hopefully, he comes back healthy for the start of 2019-2020.
https://www.foxsports.com/college-basketball/st ory...
- Columbia: Engles said guard Mike Smith, the team’s leading scorer at 15.8 points per game, was lost for the season with a torn meniscus he suffered in the previous game. Despite the loss, they should be satisfied that they played decently without a big part of their offense.
“I thought we played good basketball,†Engles said. “We’re still trying figure out a little of the rotation because Mike’s not playing.†-
The team has played well in the two games that Smith has missed. No matter what the record for this year, this should allow for the development of the younger players and get the team ready to be stronger next year.
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AntiUngvar
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Re: BC final
12-13-18 01:48 PM - Post#269024
In response to internetter
reckless.
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Chet Forte
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12-13-18 03:09 PM - Post#269038
In response to AntiUngvar
The BC coach played his best guy for 40 minutes last night.
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AntiUngvar
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12-13-18 03:51 PM - Post#269053
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Chet:
I give the BC coach credit for an ability to recognize who his most useful player actually is. Bur you and I can't wash our hands so easily of this matter because we're not supposed to be following an Atlantic Coast Conference model! Furthermore, I'm not referring to one mid December night in Massachusetts; I'm looking at a troubling pattern: during the 2nd weekend of February, last season, Smith played 34 minutes of a loss in New Haven, and followed up, logging 43 more in an overtime loss in Providence the very next night. During the final weekend of last season, a desperate Engles used Smith for 37 minutes in a Friday night loss at Dartmouth; then played him the full forty at Harvard on Saturday, even though CU lost that game by 19 points?!?! Do you realize that not even LeBron James isn't asked o play 97% of Laker minutes!! What Internetter calls strategic is actually flat out lunacy on the part of Engles! The man just does not belong in coaching.
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palestra38
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12-13-18 05:06 PM - Post#269064
In response to AntiUngvar
A meniscus injury in a young person is almost always a result of an acute impact---it isn't a chronic deterioration caused by overuse. The fact that Smith played major minutes is not the cause nor is it related to the injury.
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Chet Forte
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12-13-18 05:27 PM - Post#269067
In response to palestra38
Let’s just help he has a speedy recovery. He has a great family; love to see the Smith clan at games. They had a ball at last year’s Harvard game. He’ll need a lot of support right now, and blaming the coach is not helpful.
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AntiUngvar
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12-13-18 05:30 PM - Post#269068
In response to palestra38
It's interesting and impressive, both, that Columbia's Law School was able to grant you license to practice medicine, Doctor; but terms like "almost always" wouldn't cut it if the discussion pertained to your ability to earn a comfortable living. Muscle fatigue is almost always a contributor to these things; and overuse is overuse- though, admittedly, my information isn't coming from a Columbia Law School trained physician, so dismiss it as you may see fit to do so.
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AntiUngvar
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12-13-18 05:56 PM - Post#269069
In response to Chet Forte
Chet,
You have a heart of gold. I see your coach as one of the highest paid -making more money than people doing live saving research- University employees. He's earned the fair criticism I've leveled at him. He has no place in coaching, and needs to take his leave; the sooner, the better.
Edited by AntiUngvar on 12-13-18 05:57 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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palestra38
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12-13-18 05:57 PM - Post#269070
In response to AntiUngvar
Nor is it "proof" when a non-stop CU windbag who decides the coach sucks because his best player got injured insists that he is right because....dammit he IS RIGHT!
You don't know what you are talking about, but nothing new about that. Antonio Woods played 40 minutes against Villanova and didn't get injured. That proves that playing all 40 minutes insures you against injury. That is your level of "analysis"
But you want something "official" to tell you that meniscus injuries result from contact? Here:
https://www.healthline.com/health/meniscus-tears
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AntiUngvar
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12-13-18 06:00 PM - Post#269071
In response to palestra38
Doctor:
I may be a windbag; but I did stop for eight days. Also, I hope for your sake that Antonio weathers your bad. bad karma and remains healthy, at least through April, 2019!
Edited by AntiUngvar on 12-13-18 06:10 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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palestra38
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12-13-18 06:00 PM - Post#269072
In response to AntiUngvar
That indeed was a miracle
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bradley
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12-13-18 06:47 PM - Post#269073
In response to Chet Forte
I thought that Columbia played well last evening. They shared the ball and made a number of very good passes. BC did a poor job in adjusting their defense but the Lions were cohesive. It will be interesting to see how they play without Smith. Columbia fans may be surprised as to how well they play. Defense and rebounding seem to be consistent issues year to year for the Lions but defense was pretty good last night although rebounding was poor.
A weekend trip to NYC and Ithaca may be a tough weekend for other Ivy League teams this year -- more so than prior years??
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Chet Forte
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 12-13-18 10:57 PM - Post#269089
In response to bradley
I think we are starting to gell. I really like using Tape and Brumant together and rotating in Nweke. I like Stefanini’s ability to share the ball and Killingsworth’s court smarts. Adlesh is playing well. I like Ellis and am hopeful that Bibbs will come around.
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AntiUngvar
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12-13-18 11:12 PM - Post#269091
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Brad:
Columbia also played BC on December 12, 2017- they came out of that game with a -17 rebounding differential; so last night was an improvement over one year ago. Three or four more, well timed defensive rebounds last night and Columbia wins. What I really liked, too. was Tapé's picking & rolling to the basket for easy baskets. And Stefanini, Killingsworth, Adlesh and Ellis can be all be more effective in getting that bounce pass in to Patrick, through traffic, than the diminutive Smith. In any case, I fully expect Columbia to give Rutgers more than they can handle on the afternoon of December 22nd in New Jersey- looking forward to it!
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