bradley
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12-18-18 10:48 PM - Post#269434
In response to Eric Von Zipper
One of the few times that I suggested to several friends to bet against the Tigers and take Duke giving the points. There is a reason why the first two guys in the NBA draft will probably be Dukies with four probable first rounders. NBA development team comprised of 19 year olds. The belief by a few people that the Tigers would cover was interesting.
Not sure what an Ivy team learns playing Duke and Kentucky other than there is a significant difference in athletic ability to put it mildly.
Takeaways for the Tigers might be that Myles showed some life which is a good thing. Secondarily, Llewellyn can take the pressure of handliung the ball against guards far more talented than he will face in the IL which may result in Morales getting less playing time. With Llewellyn on the court, Frieberg may get some of Morales minutes depending on the match up. The question is will Llewellyn be able to get to the hoop against IL competion vs. tonight when he was met by two large athletic defenders -- I suspect yes.
Would not be surprised if Much becomes the reenactment of Lincoln Gunn after this year.
Onto to similar competition -- Lafayette.
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westcoast
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Re: Duke
12-18-18 11:31 PM - Post#269439
In response to penn nation
Surprisingly, Duke kept their Big 3 in for a major part of the game. All three played 26 minutes, and Zion didn't come out until the final 6 minutes of the game, when it was 82-42.
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penn nation
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12-19-18 01:19 AM - Post#269441
In response to Eric Von Zipper
Plus, Duke put up 20 points the last six minutes of the first half. That's 82 points in 26 minutes.
In a game that at one point Princeton led 8-0, and for the first 14 minutes had only given up 19 points.
Just crazy.
Has Princeton ever given up 62 points in a half?
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gokinsmen
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Duke
12-19-18 04:37 AM - Post#269442
In response to penn nation
Silly-willy margin of defeat, but whatever. It's one game against a generational Duke team playing at Cameron with three Top 5 picks in its starting lineup. It's a good experience for future top opponents, who will feel like a breeze by comparison.
I suspect the game against #18 ASU will be more fun. The guys hung with St. John's (a Big East best 10-0) till the final 3-4 minutes -- they can hang with good teams. Just not Duke.
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penn nation
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Re: Duke
12-19-18 08:59 AM - Post#269443
In response to gokinsmen
So this is what it must feel like to be the annual DIII tune up school after break.
Other than the fact that, well, Carnegie Mellon won.
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AntiUngvar
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Re: Duke
12-19-18 11:49 AM - Post#269465
In response to gokinsmen
There's a lot to what you write and it invariably makes for enjoyable reading; but, in my humble opinion, generational teams don't lose games in November, if at all.
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SRP
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12-19-18 03:20 PM - Post#269480
In response to bradley
They remind me of Tark's UNLV team with Augmon, Johnson, Anthony, etc. Similar defensive pressure at every position, maybe more individual scoring ability.
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penn nation
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12-19-18 04:09 PM - Post#269482
In response to SRP
Saying it one last time and then I'll be done:
By the time of the ACC tourney, Duke will have played 17 home games, 5 neutral court games and 9 road games (all against ACC opponents).
Any attempts to make this the greatest team of all time has to account for this considerable discrepancy.
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bradley
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12-19-18 06:31 PM - Post#269487
In response to SRP
Most 2019 NBA draft prognosticans have 3 of the 5 top spots going to Dukies with a 4th, Jones, going later in the first round. The top 3 Dukies are one and done freshmen. People need to get a reality check if they do not believe that this team will not be great unless major injuries hit them.
Coach K in his post-game interview stated that they needed to stop Cannady and Llewellyn which they obviously did. Barrett with his length on Cannady made it very challenging for Devin. He will face no one like that in the IL but there are certainly great defenders -- Bassey, Woods etc. Coach K was complimentary regarding Jaelin as well. He stated that his team played outstanding -- no kidding.
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sparman
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12-20-18 09:09 PM - Post#269563
In response to bradley
Tigers must have taken a lot out of Duke, who are trailing tonight at half.
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penn nation
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12-20-18 09:16 PM - Post#269564
In response to sparman
First time they've played away from home in a month.
Must be a shock to their system.
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bradley
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12-20-18 11:07 PM - Post#269575
In response to sparman
Duke played poorly for most of the game on offense at a neutral site, shot 15% on 3 point shots (3 of 20) yet they still win by 11 points against a very athletic #12 ranked team due to crazy good defense/steals.
We do not want the IL representative to be a #16 seed this year and draw Duke which should not happen as long as nothing crazy happens at IvyMadness.
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palestra38
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12-21-18 09:04 AM - Post#269583
In response to bradley
Shouldn't have happened last year, either.
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PennFan10
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12-21-18 11:02 AM - Post#269598
In response to bradley
Duke played poorly for most of the game on offense at a neutral site, shot 15% on 3 point shots (3 of 20) yet they still win by 11 points against a very athletic #12 ranked team due to crazy good defense/steals.
We do not want the IL representative to be a #16 seed this year and draw Duke which should not happen as long as nothing crazy happens at IvyMadness.
Duke's game last night was MUCH closer than 11 pts. TT led a majority of the game and it was a 1 or two possession game until around the 2 min mark and foul shots extended it. Texas Tech played them well, which you would expect from a #12 team on a neutral floor.
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Tiger69
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12-21-18 03:27 PM - Post#269670
In response to bradley
I admire Mitch for scheduling tough opponents. But, it does not seem necessary to schedule one-and-done factories like Duke and Kentucky — especially on their home courts. They are semi-pros rather than other universities. Let them stick to their own. There is plenty of good competition without them.
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SRP
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12-22-18 02:33 PM - Post#269743
In response to Tiger69
I don't mind these sorts of games. It's a good opportunity for the players to experience big-time basketball, and contrary to Tiger69 the program aspires to excellence, not a safe space.
Also, I don't think the decisive factor in Duke's prowess is spending less time on academics. Their four-year role players were also blocking shots and making steals all over the floor.
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Tiger69
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12-22-18 03:52 PM - Post#269755
In response to SRP
Excellence in what league? Should we try to get an NBA game? One and done players make college b-ball a joke
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gokinsmen
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Re: Duke
12-23-18 12:11 AM - Post#269930
In response to gokinsmen
I suspect the game against #18 ASU will be more fun.
...and ASU just beat #1 Kansas.
I choose to spin this positively: after their huge win, ASU will underestimate us and our guys will look even better playing close with a Top 15 team (by next week) that just beat a #1.
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penn nation
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Re: Duke
12-23-18 12:58 AM - Post#269936
In response to gokinsmen
Hopefully you won't have to suffer through Bill Walton. Just brutal tonight--have never cared for him as announcer.
**Truth be told, I never cared for him as a player, either--at least when on the Celtics.
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westcoast
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Re: Duke
12-23-18 01:19 AM - Post#269944
In response to penn nation
Bill Walton is scheduled to broadcast the Princeton - Arizona State game next Saturday.
http://www.billwalton.com/news/437-pac-12
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