palestra38
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12-21-18 09:41 AM - Post#269590
In response to 10Q
No disagreement on that. I am sure we are keeping him happy.
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Silver Maple
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12-21-18 10:08 AM - Post#269593
In response to palestra38
Unlike our last AD, who couldn't stand the fact that some of the coaches were getting more recognition than he did, this one seems to be able to keep her ego in check. I imagine she'll do everything she can to keep Steve happy.
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LyleGold
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12-21-18 10:58 AM - Post#269597
In response to TheLine
My thoughts are the same. Donahue isn't going anywhere. We have the same situation our friends up in Cambridge have.
The big difference is that we're "stuck" with a great coach while they have a great recruiter who uses questionable methods and often seems befuddled on the sidelines.
In addition, Donahue has a child whose medical needs are best served at an institution like Children's Hospital, which factored into his decision to come to Penn in the first place. Nonetheless, we need to make absolutely sure that he feels content that this will be his final stop on the coaching carousel.
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Penn90
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Re: Nice Jake Silpe Article
12-21-18 11:09 AM - Post#269599
In response to LyleGold
I'm a DC resident too and I couldn't help but notice that Racine got more votes from voters when he ran for reelection this November than the unpopular Muriel Bowser did in her reelection campaign for mayor.
Assuming he is not US Attorney General in 2020 I wonder if he would consider running for mayor in 2022?
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palestra38
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Re: Nice Jake Silpe Article
12-21-18 11:28 AM - Post#269608
In response to Penn90
Why would he do that? He's made the DC AG job far more high profile than DC Mayor, where the only thing that gets national attention is when the B**ch sets him up.
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LyleGold
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Re: Nice Jake Silpe Article
12-21-18 11:42 AM - Post#269618
In response to palestra38
Why would he do that? He's made the DC AG job far more high profile than DC Mayor, where the only thing that gets national attention is when the B**ch sets him up.
Wow, that sure brings back memories. Back in the Marion Barry days, my sister was working for a lobbying firm in DC and had frequent encounters with him. She told me about a boating party on the Tidal Basin where the water wasn't the only thing flowing in abundance.
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Penn90
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Re: Nice Jake Silpe Article
12-21-18 12:19 PM - Post#269626
In response to palestra38
Because being the DC AG doesn't lead anywhere else typically. Going from AG to mayor would be a pretty nice jump for him.
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palestra38
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Re: Nice Jake Silpe Article
12-21-18 12:26 PM - Post#269627
In response to Penn90
I think he's made himself sufficiently high profile to obtain national office upon a Democratic takeover of the White House....but we'll see.
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Jeff2sf
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12-21-18 12:36 PM - Post#269628
In response to LyleGold
My thoughts are the same. Donahue isn't going anywhere. We have the same situation our friends up in Cambridge have.
The big difference is that we're "stuck" with a great coach while they have a great recruiter who uses questionable methods and often seems befuddled on the sidelines.
this quote made me cringe. I think we both have great coaches but if I had to pick, Tommy has the better resume. Steve looked like a total ham and egger at Boston College. To his credit, he resolved to learn from it and has, thus far, done very well.
And let's all move on from friggin pickup games and supermarket check ins. Questionable methods. We're living in the day and age of bags of cash and stupid, arbitrary rules set up by stupid, arbitrary, and corrupt organizations.
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Silver Maple
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12-21-18 12:42 PM - Post#269629
In response to Jeff2sf
If the team continues to perform as well as it has, I expect the recruiting gap between Penn and Harvard to narrow considerably.
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palestra38
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12-21-18 12:44 PM - Post#269630
In response to Jeff2sf
Agree on pretty much all of this. I see no reason ever to question Amaker (other than his Belichick-like concealment of injuries) or his motivations/methods. I do think Steve is a better strategic coach and think that the BC job was a no-win pretty much for anyone. But irrespective of resume, it's how they do it on the court, and right now, both are at the top of the league.
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Jeff2sf
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12-21-18 12:51 PM - Post#269631
In response to palestra38
mike, do you think Tommy takes into account fit with his methods or his current roster?
and does that question matter less when you are fishing in the top 100? the top 200? What I mean is, even if Mo Bamba doesn't really fit with Penn, you'd take him and then figure it out.
Is that the case for all top 100 players or no?
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LyleGold
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12-21-18 04:13 PM - Post#269677
In response to Jeff2sf
My thoughts are the same. Donahue isn't going anywhere. We have the same situation our friends up in Cambridge have.
The big difference is that we're "stuck" with a great coach while they have a great recruiter who uses questionable methods and often seems befuddled on the sidelines.
this quote made me cringe. I think we both have great coaches but if I had to pick, Tommy has the better resume. Steve looked like a total ham and egger at Boston College. To his credit, he resolved to learn from it and has, thus far, done very well.
And let's all move on from friggin pickup games and supermarket check ins. Questionable methods. We're living in the day and age of bags of cash and stupid, arbitrary rules set up by stupid, arbitrary, and corrupt organizations.
So you would choose Amaker over Donahue? Fine, you can have him. I’m happy with our guy and wouldn’t swap them no matter how much ham and eggs you throw in or whatever you’re talking about. You’re discounting what he did at Cornell and focusing on BC, which in the ACC is a coach’s burial ground much like Rutgers in the Big Ten. Steve got Cornell - CORNELL! - to the Sweet 16, which tops anything Amaker did at Michigan or Seton Hall. Are you one of those guys who claims Jeff Foote fell into Donahue’s lap because of his mother and Ryan Wittman was pure luck, too? If anyone let his talent carry him and generally underachieved with it, I’d say it was Amaker. Sure, the whole Zach Rosen episode and other shenanigans revealed things about him, but the main factor was Harvard’s decision to suddenly give the basketball program nearly free rein with admissions and de facto scholarships with financial aid. At a place like that and conditions like those, I think Donahue would have achieved more.
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Quakers03
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Nice Jake Silpe Article
12-21-18 04:17 PM - Post#269681
In response to LyleGold
I have to admit I never understood the swoop in and defend-Amaker-at-all-cost that seems to come from a few people around here. I have my own thoughts as to why this is the case but nevertheless find it quite interesting.
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mrjames
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12-21-18 04:33 PM - Post#269685
In response to LyleGold
My opinion and $2.50 will get you a ride on the SEPTA or something like that, but I don't actually think it's possible to compare Amaker and Donahue.
Amaker runs the Harvard program like a Chairman and CEO, while Donahue operates Penn basketball like a COO would. Amaker's known for his vision, building bridges to the Harvard community and swaying highly talented kids to come play for him. Donahue is known for his analytical mind, approach to the game and ridiculous ability on the coaching/Xs and Os front.
They're just not very good comps for each other. Both have been successful in their own way.
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TheLine
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12-21-18 04:55 PM - Post#269689
In response to mrjames
I'm totally sorry I started this. Wasn't my intention. Have learned my lesson.
Love that Jake hung in there to see it pay dividends. It's a hallmark of a Donahue team.
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Jeff2sf
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12-21-18 05:40 PM - Post#269692
In response to TheLine
What are you saying q03? I defend tommy for two reasons. 1. Because there’s a little tinge of race stuff going on whenever a successful African American coaches are denigratedâ€befuddledâ€. Do I think Lyle is being racist? No. But it makes me uncomfortable.
2. My defense of amaker started when we had crappy coaching for 7 years and it looked unbecoming for us, in basketball hell, to talk about a maker being bad.
I don’t really think one sweet sixteen run means much they won two games where they were about 30-40% to win. It was one weekend. Seems like it happens once a year to a team then the coach goes to a power 5 job and gets exposed.
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SomeGuy
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12-22-18 12:24 AM - Post#269713
In response to Jeff2sf
My two cents are always less informed than mike’s, but nonetheless . . . I think Amaker has generally recruited to system, or at least focused on playing a certain clear style. However, over the past five years or so, perhaps as Harvard gets access to higher rated players, it seems like they’ve started to get some talented guys who don’t fit together quite as well. But who knows — could be that i’m Grasping to explain the results not being quite as good.
On the quality of coaching thing, I am of the opinion that Donahue and Amaker are both very good coaches. I wouldn’t trade Donahue for Amaker, so in that sense I agree with Lyle. But I think Amaker is tremendous. I agree with Mike in the sense that both coaches have very different strengths (and I would add the caveat that a good coach doesn’t have to be perfect at everything). However, I think he probably under rates Amaker on the Xs and Os.
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Streamers
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12-22-18 06:57 AM - Post#269717
In response to SomeGuy
I’m not a big fan of Amaker, but what is undeniable is that he has made the Harvard program relevant. All things considered, the league is better off for it.
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Quakers03
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Nice Jake Silpe Article
12-22-18 07:48 AM - Post#269720
In response to Jeff2sf
What are you saying q03? I defend tommy for two reasons. 1. Because there’s a little tinge of race stuff going on whenever a successful African American coaches are denigratedâ€befuddledâ€. Do I think Lyle is being racist? No. But it makes me uncomfortable.
You said it perfectly yourself and it continues to be the wrong and dangerous opinion. It’s obvious that this drives your defense of his game coaching ability and it infuriates me. It’s not possible that the observation of him being a below average game coach is just that, an observation? It HAS to be driven by some other, if even just a “tingeâ€, agenda? I believe mrjames settled the x and o debate between the two when he said that Steve is a “ridiculous†x and o guy. This continues to be a bad look for you, Jeff. I’m sorry that it makes you uncomfortable but I’d like to think a place like this is a bit further along on topics like this than most. I could run off a list of horrific white coaches too. It has absolutely nothing to do with race and I continue to find the insinuation insulting.
As for the supermarket incident, yes a lot of it was sour grapes but it was also slimey and wrong and he deserves to be mocked for it. Issues like this make for better sports rivalries.
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