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Username Post: Amaker on College Hoops Today with Jon Rothstein        (Topic#22386)
GoBigGreenBasketball 
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12-31-18 03:25 PM - Post#270614    

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bradley 
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Re: Amaker on College Hoops Today with Jon Rothstein
12-31-18 06:58 PM - Post#270693    
    In response to GoBigGreenBasketball

Thanks for sharing. Amaker is an impressive guy. He reminds me of a smooth politician as he is measured and careful as what he says. Impression that I got regarding Aiken and Towns is a pretty big question mark but he is playing it close to the vest.

I loved his comments at the end that you need to be both good and lucky. I enjoy the information and discussion regarding metrics on this forum but obviously, metrics can not factor a thing called luck. As we witnessed today, end results can sometimes defy metrics on a given day.



 
bradley 
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Re: Amaker on College Hoops Today with Jon Rothstein
04-11-19 09:16 PM - Post#283590    
    In response to GoBigGreenBasketball

Article in today's NY Post by Mike Vaccaro that St. John's should take hard look at Amaker to replace Chris Mullins. Apparently AD Cragg has a Duke background and knows Amaker. Doubt it will happen but you never know.

 
Bryan 
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Amaker on College Hoops Today with Jon Rothstein
04-12-19 09:00 AM - Post#283594    
    In response to bradley

It would be bizarre for Amaker to take the St. John's job now. Successful coaches usually leave when their team will dip the following year. Harvard is likely to be at the top of a cycle next year. From the 2020 projections by Torvik in the Ivy League tab on this board Harvard is projected 36 nationally next year and St. John's is projected 134. If Amaker wants to leave (which is not obvious unless the Duke job opens up) his best course would be to wait until after next year.

Edited by Bryan on 04-12-19 09:10 AM. Reason for edit: Initial typo on SJ projection

 
PennFan10 
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04-12-19 10:28 AM - Post#283595    
    In response to Bryan

It would be stupid for St Johns NOT to look hard at Amaker, or even Dawkins. It would be equally stupid for Amaker to even consider St Johns as a next stop. This seems just a reporter speculating.

 
Mike Porter 
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04-12-19 01:46 PM - Post#283598    
    In response to PennFan10

Yeah it would be smart for St Johns to look at Coach Amaker of course, but I see 0% chance of him wanting to go there. Better jobs in the future would be available if he was so inclined, but he’s got to want to see that senior class next year at a minimum.

 
tkapiko 
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04-12-19 09:45 PM - Post#283604    
    In response to Mike Porter

Yeah. Amaker owes the rising senior class a trip to the NCAA Tournament before contemplating any move. This highly touted class has not been able to live up to expectations as a top 10 recruiting class nationwide. I see why Amaker will stay at least one more year.

 
mrjames 
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04-13-19 07:18 AM - Post#283605    
    In response to tkapiko

Empirically untrue. Pretty much dead on pace to hit their projected win shares. The injuries and having to play road Ivy Tourney games shouldn’t distract from the fact that this class has been as advertised.

 
bradley 
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04-13-19 10:17 AM - Post#283606    
    In response to tkapiko

In IL play, Harvard has been 32-6 over the past three years and 55-39 including non-conference play. Two conference regular season championships (ties) with no NCAA invitations.

Looking back to expectations shortly after the players were recruited, many IL fans anticipated greater things for the upcoming rising senior class although injuries have decimated this group at times. If they had stayed relatively healthy, Harvard's record over the past two years would have obviously been better, especially non-conference play.

Amaker has done a remarkable job in keeping it together and he "owes" nothing special to the senior rising class although it does seem to make sense that he stays at Harvard for next year and beyond.

History will look back with perhaps some disappointment as to what may have happened with this group but there should be a big asterisk to their results due to injuries. Hopefully, they have one final opportunity with a healthy group to realize their potential in their senior season.

 
palestra38 
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04-14-19 08:53 AM - Post#283611    
    In response to mrjames

I'll go with you on injuries....although no worse than the other contenders.

The road playoff game excuse is just that. An excuse. They would have played at a neutral site and the crowd composition would have been almost identical to the composition the last 2 years. Penn would have had far more fans than Harvard and Yale almost none. And you supported the tournament at the time, anyway.

 
PennFan10 
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04-14-19 09:26 AM - Post#283612    
    In response to palestra38

Certainly this yers result cannot be attributed to,HCA. Yale was the better team.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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04-14-19 09:58 AM - Post#283613    
    In response to PennFan10

As was Harvard at Lavietes.

 
PennFan10 
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04-14-19 10:20 AM - Post#283614    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

I agree the results at Lavietes and in the ILT go far beyond the statistical relevance of HCA. Bassey’s health and other factors likely had much more to do with the results. You can’t explain those two results by simply HCA. Harvard, on Feb 1 was much better than Yale and Yale on March 17 was much better than the Crimson. If those two games were played on neutral floors, the results likely wouldn’t be any different, albeit a bit closer.

 
Go Green 
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04-14-19 10:42 AM - Post#283615    
    In response to bradley

  • bradley Said:


History will look back with perhaps some disappointment as to what may have happened with this group



Penn fans have expressed regret that the Ugonna/Archibong teams of the early 2000s didn't make more noise as well.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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04-14-19 10:53 AM - Post#283616    
    In response to Go Green

Maybe, or maybe not. Harvard did win at Yale as well. Championship game was even well into the second half, a lot of factors led to Yale running away after that, including HCA.

I'd assume that if H/Y played 10 times that there would be - at best - a 6-4 split. Heck, H is already up 2-1. The result on any given day can vary. Yale was better by a lot over the final 10 minutes at home. Harvard even/better for the first 110 minutes of play vs Yale this season. Once can't rule out HCA as an influence, especially in a packed house Championship.

Appears the League agreed with that so strongly that they made the awful decision to rotate sites.

 
palestra38 
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04-14-19 03:16 PM - Post#283619    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

I agree with you that rotation is ridiculous. It either should be at a neutral site or at the home of the top seed, with a better method of determining top seed than win against next best seed. (Point differential is better--almost anything is better).

That being said, Harvard had at least as many fans at Yale during the Championship as did Yale, whose students were on break and its section was virtually empty. The Yale players just beat the Harvard players on that date--HCA was no factor (and that was different from the prior year, when Penn did have more fans at the Palestra). But if you have the best team, you win.

 
mrjames 
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04-14-19 07:48 PM - Post#283624    
    In response to palestra38

If HCA had to do with fans, we’d see wild differences in HCAs across buildings with wildly different levels of fan avidity. We don’t. Common misperception of HCA.

 
bradley 
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04-14-19 08:43 PM - Post#283625    
    In response to palestra38

Towns and Aiken combined missed 30 of 61 games played over the last two seasons. If healthy, the two of them are clearly top 5 players in the IL, perhaps 1 and 2. If they were reasonably healthy over the past two years, the Crimson probably would have been playing at 2 NCAA Tournaments although IvyMadness could have gotten in the way.

Harvard has the best IL record over the last three years even with the injuries. Injuries are part of the game but no IL team has sustainded the level of the injuries as Harvard.

The Fab 4s' legacy (Aiken, Towns, Lewis and Bassey) will be less than expected back in 2016 but they do have one more chance to reach a level achieved by few IL teams over time.

 
palestra38 
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04-15-19 07:00 AM - Post#283627    
    In response to mrjames

You show me statistical evidence of HCA applying to a building where opposing fans outnumber local fans...I'll withdraw that statement. Yale usually is rapidly pro-Yale despite not selling out. We're not talking about ticket sales, we're talking about a tournament held there where there were more fans of the opposing teams.

 
palestra38 
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04-15-19 07:03 AM - Post#283628    
    In response to bradley

So what you are saying is that because Harvard has the most top recruits, their injuries are more significant. But Penn and Princeton's injuries (and withdrawals in the case of Princeton) this year and Yale's last year took away a far more important part of those teams than Harvard ever lost. Penn and Princeton, fully rostered, were competitive with Harvard and Yale, but losing key players took them out of serious contention. I think those teams were more affected than Harvard.

 
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