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Username Post: At Binghamton; Wednesday, Jan. 2, 7pm.        (Topic#22395)
AntiUngvar 
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01-01-19 08:15 PM - Post#270778    

CU needs to win ONE game, on the road, playing a school team the odds makers have them beating; if we're to believe they have any chance of earning an invitation to the post season Ivy League tournament.


 
Chet Forte 
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01-01-19 09:20 PM - Post#270782    
    In response to AntiUngvar

I EXPECT A HUGE GAME FROM TAPE. His improvement has been remarkable. If he continues his upward arc he is all Ivy material. Nobody in the IL has his combination of length and athleticism. 6’10” and he runs and moves like a power conference front court player. His last game was just excellent in all facets against an excellent opponent.


 
AntiUngvar 
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01-02-19 12:02 AM - Post#270790    
    In response to Chet Forte

  • Chet Forte Said:
I EXPECT A HUGE GAME FROM TAPE.


Hope you're on to something, Chet.
This is clearly a winnable road game, and it's vital for our kids to have one of these in hand going into Ivy play.


 
Tod Howard Hawks 
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Re: The Ivy Games
01-02-19 05:34 PM - Post#270843    
    In response to AntiUngvar

I'm waiting for the Ivy games. If Coluumbia is anywhere near the bottom of the League, Engles is a goner, and should be.


Edited by Tod Howard Hawks on 01-02-19 05:35 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
AntiUngvar 
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01-02-19 06:08 PM - Post#270853    
    In response to Tod Howard Hawks

You never know, Tod. It appears that UCLA needs a coach desperately- at this very moment or sooner.....Perhaps a case of one door closing, with another one opening.


 
AntiUngvar 
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01-02-19 08:52 PM - Post#270875    
    In response to AntiUngvar

Don't want to jinx-especially since no lead can be considered safe enough with JimEngles on your side line- but Columbia's up 35-22 at halftime in Binghamton! CU is winning the shooting battle, holding the home team to 33%, while keeping their FGPCT. at 50+%. Rebounding is even,CU has a neat 12 assists as a team. And though Patrick hasn't lived up to the words of Chet Forte, Randy Brumant has gone off for 14 points on 6/7 shooting. Binghamton only real big, 6'9" Stewart is taking Patrick, leaving them with nobody Randy's size to guard him, and Brumant's thriving so far. Let's hope the Lions can hold this lead during the final 20 minutes of play- to quote Tod Hawks, "I've seen this movie before!" Engles's really needs to play CJ Davis in the 2nd half, if only to rest Stefanini- having stated the obvious, NOW it surely won't be seen.


Edited by AntiUngvar on 01-02-19 09:07 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
cc66 
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01-02-19 09:04 PM - Post#270885    
    In response to AntiUngvar

They are not going fire Engles, nor should they. He lost his top player to injury, the team has played better recently, he has recruited a fine pg in Turner, and with one year more experience, Ellis, Brumant + Nweke + Tape could turn us into quite a good team.

Engles is a teacher. Next year is the year when the instruction will finally begin to pay off.




 
AntiUngvar 
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01-02-19 09:15 PM - Post#270889    
    In response to cc66

Hey, 66. Don't write off the present moment, as neither one of us has that many of them left- despite what Dr. Vainglorious may have assured you regarding your immortality. Also, please don't write off this season JUST yet. KP may have told you that Columbia would only have 2 wins at this point; but like you and me, KP's not always right. Trust your eyes for a couple more months; let's see what happens. Thanks!


 
AntiUngvar 
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01-02-19 09:25 PM - Post#270892    
    In response to cc66

  • cc66 Said:


Engles is a teacher. Next year is the year when the instruction will finally begin to pay off


I don't know if the writer intended to state that Engles needs someone to TEACH him how to coach the 2nd halves of games; but the lead at Binghamton is down to 7 with 12 minutes left. We don't have till next year to figure this out. Engles has to demonstrate some leadership tonight!


Edited by AntiUngvar on 01-02-19 09:26 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Chet Forte 
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01-02-19 09:59 PM - Post#270903    
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Ugly, awful win. I have to take back all of the good things that I have said about Engles after the way he mishandled the second half. I could count the ways in which he managed to let us lose a 19 point lead and almost blow the game but frankly will say some things that i will probably come to regret. Just a terrible second half meltdown, starting at about the 14 minute mark.


 
cc66 
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01-02-19 10:02 PM - Post#270909    
    In response to AntiUngvar

The 19 pt lead disappeared in about 5 minutes, but somehow Steffanini hits a 2 pter at the buzzer and we win, 65-63.

Not sure why we are so streaky, but at least we won on the road, if only by the 2 pts KP said we would.

 
AntiUngvar 
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01-02-19 10:11 PM - Post#270917    
    In response to Chet Forte

Chet:
Engles is hardly a teacher; at least not one in keeping with the standards of our core curriculum or those of the Ivy League Anybody putting that noun next to Engles name should really be ashamed of themselves- but people like that are just too short on character and integrity to EVER admit to a mistake.

All I know is that your paesano, Stefanini, hit the biggest shot of the season at the buzzer tonight. And these kids, who've worked so hard to make up for Engles' miscues, finally have their road win, and good reason to continue believing in the possibilities of this current season. And Patrick made you proud tonight, particularly in the second half, coming up with 8 big rebounds and converting on some huge free throws. God bless these Columbia kids; their toughness carried the day and sets a wonderful example for us all.


Edited by AntiUngvar on 01-02-19 10:13 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
AntiUngvar 
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01-02-19 10:15 PM - Post#270918    
    In response to cc66

  • cc66 Said:

Not sure why we are so streaky,



Really????????????????


 
internetter 
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01-02-19 10:21 PM - Post#270919    
    In response to AntiUngvar

Stef's winner made up I guess for a few bad plays: 2 backcourt violations, missed shots from his favorite spots.
west coast fan


 
Chet Forte 
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01-02-19 10:46 PM - Post#270925    
    In response to internetter

The announcers noted that Engles could not seem to make up his mind as to when he wanted to call TOs. Frankly we should have Loeb out Binghamton by 20 or 25 points with better game management. I know a win is a win, but the last 15 or so minutes of the second half were a horror show.


 
Chet Forte 
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01-02-19 10:47 PM - Post#270926    
    In response to Chet Forte

Meant we should have blown out Binghamton. Spell check is tricky.


 
Columbia 37P6 
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01-02-19 11:27 PM - Post#270933    
    In response to Chet Forte

I watched the first half and we looked good. I missed the second half. What happened?

 
Dr. V 
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Re: At Binghamton; Wednesday, Jan. 2, 7pm.
01-02-19 11:27 PM - Post#270934    
    In response to AntiUngvar

You do not have a right to engage in repeated attempts at character assassination from the sidelines. Who are you and what relationship have you had with Engles that makes you think you can keep attacking his character? Either put up with specifics or shut up once and for all.

 
AntiUngvar 
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Re: At Binghamton; Wednesday, Jan. 2, 7pm.
01-03-19 01:25 AM - Post#270946    
    In response to Dr. V

It's called the First Amendment; and it relates to one of the highest paid University employees demonstrating absolute incompetence
in the role he's being well compensated for. But don't you dare pontificate to me about MY rights: when you've never identified yourself or your relationship with the University; or offered apology for suggesting on several occasions that I "take my medication"; or defined what exact business a man of your rather advanced age has being observed in a University locker room setting with young student athletes- some of whom are minors and many of whom are down to their skivvies in your view? Why don't you begin by addressing some of these significant concerns that I share with the University about YOU?
I've given you my name and email address and encouraged you to reach out to me to set up a personal meeting to address our grievances in a more intimate setting; but you haven't taken me up on any of my various overtures. Perhaps the actual truth is that's it's long past time for you to cease and become silent forever more.


Edited by AntiUngvar on 01-03-19 01:33 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
AntiUngvar 
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01-03-19 02:20 AM - Post#270947    
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[quote=internetter]Stef's winner made up I guess for a few bad plays: 2 backcourt violations, missed shots from his favorite spots.[/quote]
Internetter, The boy plays himself 36 minutes into exhaustion; hits the BIGGEST shot of the heretofore season; and THIS is how you choose to summarize the events in Binghamton last night?
I really believe the time right for you to utilize your time &Los Angeles contacts most productively, and get your friend Engles placed at UCLA, immediately! If you can't get him the head coaching position, perhaps you can at least get the Facilities Department to hire Jim to sweep the floor of the Pauley Pavilion. Whatever you do be honest with these people: let them that once he's hired, he'll only be coaching half the game- the first half, and no time outs will be requested; and you get him that maintenance gig, he'll only be sweeping half the basketball court. Let your LA people know later today!
Thanks.


 
AntiUngvar 
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01-03-19 02:23 AM - Post#270948    
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  • internetter Said:
Stef's winner made up I guess for a few bad plays: 2 backcourt violations, missed shots from his favorite spots.


Internetter, The boy plays himself 36 minutes into exhaustion; hits the BIGGEST shot of the heretofore season; and THIS is how you choose to summarize the events that took place in Binghamton last night?
I really believe the time is right for you to utilize your time & Los Angeles contacts most productively: get your friend Engles placed at UCLA, immediately! If you can't get him the head coaching position, perhaps you can at least get the Facilities Department to hire Jim to sweep the floor of the Pauley Pavilion. Whatever you do, please be honest with these people: let them know that once he's hired, Engles'll only be coaching half the game- the first half, and no time outs will be requested; and if you get him that maintenance gig, he'll only be sweeping half the basketball court. Let your LA people know all this later today!
Thanks.



 
internetter 
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01-03-19 04:52 AM - Post#270952    
    In response to AntiUngvar

Not a summarization,just a more complete picture of his game. Only noting the winning shot without the rest of his performance doesn't make it for me. Had he been more productive, didn't turn over the ball at least twice when he wasn't so tired, C wouldn't have been in a tie game at the end, likely.
Whatever it means, he said Q was to take it. So someone thought he was more likely to hit it, having had a good game.
west coast fan


 
Chet Forte 
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01-03-19 07:35 AM - Post#270954    
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Here is what happened. IMHO and without any invective. We were playing great team ball into around the 14 minute mark of the second half. Binghamton went into a tight man to man and we seemed to tighten up on offense. We stopped getting clean looks from outside and had nobody who seemed capable of driving to the basket. We missed some makeable shots around the basket and threw the ball away by making one too many passes. In short, we tightened up. On defense, we let a freshman SG go crazy from outside and seemed incapable of denying him the ball. Unlike the last few games, in which Engles coached and managed a good game, he seemed tentative about calling TOs and never found a way to slow down the freshman SG. Putting Hunter on him did not work. On the offensive side, we never moved away from constantly looking for the three point shot after it became obvious that the man to man defense was working to cut that off. So a win is a win, but it really was a tough game to stomach.


 
AntiUngvar 
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At Binghamton; Wednesday, Jan. 2, 7pm.
01-03-19 01:38 PM - Post#270987    
    In response to internetter

  • internetter Said:
Had he been more productive, didn't turn over the ball at least twice when he wasn't so tired, C wouldn't have been in a tie game at the end, likely.


. But Stefanini WAS tired, which points to the inherent weakness in Engles' so-called "strategy" of playing his lead guard 36 to 40 minutes per game- It doesn't register as a winning strategy for the team, nor for the affected kid, as we've unfortunately noted in the case of the disabled Mike Smith. And by the way, the only reason the game was tied before Stefanini's game winner, was because Engles allowed a player ( Sam Sessoms) who'd already made SIX, 3 point shots take and make YET another 3 pointer with just nine seconds remaining! Sessoms had already scored half of Binghamton's points; everybody, even the phony Ph.d who comes on here to run interference for Engles KNEW that Sessoms would be taking their last shot- why not double Sessoms early? Why not foul him or another Binghamton player before a shot is attempted (Columbia had fouls to given; Adlesh was the only CU player of the court at the time with more than 2 personal fouls)?
Why not instruct the team to do ANYTHING but permit Sessoms to take and make his 7th three pointer? None of those options were considered because Engles is anything but a teacher; he's probably the worst D-1 men's basketball coach in America today.


Edited by AntiUngvar on 01-03-19 01:51 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
internetter 
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01-03-19 02:56 PM - Post#271001    
    In response to AntiUngvar

The law of averages would say he wouldn't hit yet another 3.
west coast fan


 
Dr. V 
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Re: At Binghamton; Wednesday, Jan. 2, 7pm.
01-03-19 03:06 PM - Post#271006    
    In response to AntiUngvar

  • AntiUngvar Said:
It's called the First Amendment; and it relates to one of the highest paid University employees demonstrating absolute incompetence
in the role he's being well compensated for. But don't you dare pontificate to me about MY rights: when you've never identified yourself or your relationship with the University; or offered apology for suggesting on several occasions that I "take my medication"; or defined what exact business a man of your rather advanced age has being observed in a University locker room setting with young student athletes- some of whom are minors and many of whom are down to their skivvies in your view? Why don't you begin by addressing some of these significant concerns that I share with the University about YOU?
I've given you my name and email address and encouraged you to reach out to me to set up a personal meeting to address our grievances in a more intimate setting; but you haven't taken me up on any of my various overtures. Perhaps the actual truth is that's it's long past time for you to cease and become silent forever more.



The First Amendment does not protect against defamation.

My relationship with Columbia is based on my being an alumnus (M.A., Ph.D. and J.D.). I have a relationship with an academic center that has no relationship to athletics. I donate to our BB program and sometimes to our FB program. Other than since 1971 being a fan and later a donor, I have no personal or financial relationship with anyone in our Athletic Department and the same goes for any of CU's coaches. I also don't have a relationship with anyone in CU's Administration.

I have not been in any, whether CU's or anyone else's, locker room with any student athletes since I was a player myself in high school. Since you don't know me, you knowingly fabricated a scurrilous accusation about me to deflect from your own issues. You've done the same with our coaches and with another loyal supporter of the program. Now, I couldn't care less what you fabricate about me, but I do care about the poisonous atmosphere you're trying to create around the program about which I do care.


 
AntiUngvar 
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Re: At Binghamton; Wednesday, Jan. 2, 7pm.
01-03-19 03:22 PM - Post#271008    
    In response to Dr. V

You've clearly stated herein that you've attended and do attend team practices; and you still haven't identified yourself.


 
Columbia 37P6 
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01-03-19 06:46 PM - Post#271015    
    In response to AntiUngvar

I only watched the first half of last night's game, but I was impressed by some of the nice things the Lions were doing for the first time in my recent memory. Here are a few: (1) A Lion big man (Brumant) was constantly attacking the basket; (2) Another Lion big man (Tape) was making some great passes; (3) A Lion small forward (Killingsworth) was operating from the top of the key and getting some great looks for himself and others; (4) A Lion guard (Adlesh) was scoring on Barbour type lay-up and and short jumpers. These were new inventive things I would like to give credit to the named players if they did them by themselves, and to the coach or coaches who might have been involved. I hope that all the Columbia players start doing the things I noticed happening in the first half of last night's game. For example, it seems obvious that Bibbs and Ellis should copy what Killingsworth and Adlesh were doing last night.

 
Chet Forte 
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01-03-19 06:55 PM - Post#271016    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

All true, but at about the 14 minute mark it all fell apart. Maybe it is as simple as this: we had a huge lead and became tentative. Once the opponent hit a few threes we became even more tentative. A timeout before the big run would have been in order.


 
internetter 
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Re: At Binghamton; Wednesday, Jan. 2, 7pm.
01-03-19 09:26 PM - Post#271035    
    In response to AntiUngvar

Sessions played 47 minutes
west coast fan


 
internetter 
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01-03-19 09:27 PM - Post#271036    
    In response to internetter

Especially having played almost all of the game
west coast fan


 
AntiUngvar 
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Re: At Binghamton; Wednesday, Jan. 2, 7pm.
01-03-19 09:55 PM - Post#271042    
    In response to internetter

Internetter:

The kid's name is SESSOMS; and I expected your math to be on higher level than that presented by the 66 grad and that phony Ph.d candidate- not even Engles. could get 47 minutes out of him unless a game goes into double O.T.; which it didn't- thanks to Stefanini!


Edited by AntiUngvar on 01-03-19 09:55 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Columbia 37P6 
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01-03-19 10:49 PM - Post#271050    
    In response to AntiUngvar

Hey, that's our old friend Coach Kyle Smith on ESPN2 tonight leading San Francisco in a big local game against WAC rival Saint Mary's. San Francisco's record is 12-2 and the roster is typical Kyle Smith meaning geographically diverse with a number of players from the Balkans and Australia. Kyle's assistant coaches at San Francisco are his former assistants at Columbia--Phelps, Hovde and Golden

 
AntiUngvar 
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At Binghamton; Wednesday, Jan. 2, 7pm.
01-04-19 11:12 AM - Post#271069    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

Yes, P6; San Francisco beat St. Mary's last night. By the way, Jon Safir is also on the Kyle Smith staff over there, which has already put together 55 victories in a bit a less than 2 and 1/2 seasons. In the same period of time, competing in a somewhat less demanding conference than USF's West Coast Conference and against a more diluted schedule, Jim Engles has put together but 23 wins- now, I really don't want to put the Spin Doctor on further defensive; nor am I looking to pick on an invalid; but the numbers here really do speak. for themselves.


Edited by AntiUngvar on 01-04-19 11:25 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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