SomeGuy
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Re: MBB at Princeton 01-06-19 08:24 AM - Post#271502
In response to Quakers03
Princeton did score on a backdoor cut on the second possession of the game. Derosiers made the cut and scored on a pass from Aririgozuh.
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SomeGuy
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01-06-19 08:28 AM - Post#271503
In response to GoBigGreenBasketball
It may well be important. My point is just that last night the minute distribution among players was about the same for both teams. They both basically played 7 guys for 45 minutes.
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Streamers
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01-06-19 10:59 AM - Post#271510
In response to SomeGuy
As was pointed out somewhere above, Penn had twice as many TO’s as assists. This is highly unusual for this team, especially with Max in the game. To me, this was the key and we need to give Mitch and his staff credit for a defensive scheme that produced this result. Steve needs to find a counter that will produce 75+ points on Saturday. Penn cannot expect Cannady to lose his shooting eye again.
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JadwinGeorge
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01-06-19 12:21 PM - Post#271516
In response to Streamers
Not sure Cannady "lost his shooting eye." Donohue defensed him very well. His last few shots were born of frustration in my estimation. He even missed a free throw! But this team is developing other options.
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TigerFan
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01-06-19 12:32 PM - Post#271519
In response to JadwinGeorge
Tough defense from both teams last night was largely responsible for the low shooting percentages. Many of DC and JL’s misses were closely contended and some were just plain poor shot selection, but both of those guys also missed a number of open shots that I would have expected to drop. (And DC went oh-for-two on FTs!—unheard of!) I expect another tough game next Saturday.
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Tiger69
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01-06-19 01:11 PM - Post#271523
In response to TigerFan
I think that both teams will make several adjustments as a result of last night. I’m guessing on a different type of game. If it follows the same pattern, I think that it would favor Penn. Ironic, since we seem to have exchanged roles over time.
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jeromelh
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01-06-19 02:12 PM - Post#271535
In response to GoBigGreenBasketball
My take (fwiw) is that I saw two teams trying to give the game to the other. Penn is very physical and that is why I think a slight majority of the questionable calls went against them. Their physicality definitely affected Lewellyn and Cannady and those two will have to adjust (and I think they will). I was surprised at how few assists Brodeur had. He will need to improve on that and Wang will need to get into the game.
Bottom line-these are two very evenly matched teams and I expect another close game next week.
I am disappointed that Penn and Princeton are playing their two games early in the year
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weinhauers_ghost
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01-06-19 02:30 PM - Post#271536
In response to Streamers
As was pointed out somewhere above, Penn had twice as many TO’s as assists. This is highly unusual for this team, especially with Max in the game. To me, this was the key and we need to give Mitch and his staff credit for a defensive scheme that produced this result. Steve needs to find a counter that will produce 75+ points on Saturday. Penn cannot expect Cannady to lose his shooting eye again.
At times, especially early in the first half, both Wang and Rothschild looked like guys who hadn't had any game action in a couple of weeks. There was definitely some rust there. Wang not playing in the second half and OT hurt us, I think.
I am also disappointed that we will play these games on consecutive weekends.
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OldBig5
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01-06-19 03:43 PM - Post#271540
In response to weinhauers_ghost
Typical Penn-Princeton game. Just win next Saturday and all will be well. I think Princeton is much better than expected.
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Tiger69
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01-06-19 04:44 PM - Post#271548
In response to OldBig5
We will definitely have to come up with something additional when Wang is healthy. I want to see these teams square off when everyone is healthy — the Tourney appears to be the first possibility.
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SomeGuy
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01-06-19 05:56 PM - Post#271553
In response to jeromelh
I think a good defensive game sometimes looks that way. To me, it looked like a game where both coaches had thought more about how to stop the other team than they had about how to score. I suspect that might reverse this week.
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SomeGuy
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01-06-19 06:06 PM - Post#271555
In response to Streamers
Yes — curious if Princeton was doing something specific that was causing Goodman and Woods to drive (even Silpe drove a little more than usual), or if that was by Penn design.
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Streamers
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01-06-19 06:48 PM - Post#271558
In response to SomeGuy
Princeton refused to double AJ in the paint, so his pass out opportunities were not there - this also kept in defense in the passing lanes. It also created more space for the Penn guards to drive. They gambled that RA could hinder AJ without help. It worked just enough. Devon was getting open outside, but his 3’s were not dropping. AJ drained a 3 early; I wish he has taken a few more for force the defense out on him.
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SRP
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01-06-19 06:50 PM - Post#271559
In response to SomeGuy
Since Princeton has been giving up dribble drives for the last two seasons and yesterday they weren't even trying to give help, instead sticking to the outside shooters, Penn going to the rim seemed like an obvious choice. Woods was getting in there and scoring at will for a while. Zero possessions with zone defense by Princeton, which surprised me--Henderson seemed OK with letting the Quakers go one on one on drives.
(BTW, in terms of physical play, Woods cleared out with his off arm like crazy. The refs were consistent about not calling that move on either team. It's interesting that Brodeur is relatively clean in that respect given how much post play he's involved in--he didn't do much hooking or pushing off when he had the ball that I could see.)
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01-06-19 07:22 PM - Post#271563
In response to jeromelh
I hadn’t thought of that until you mentioned it. It would be nice to have the Ivy games spread out a bit more. We always have Harvard back to back at the begging of ivy play. It would be nice to play them later in the season or at least mix it up a bit year to year.
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section110
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01-06-19 11:49 PM - Post#271587
In response to SRP
Good point. As a Penn fan I notice the Princeton arm extension/push offs not called; so, I'm sure you are right @ Woods.
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